Congress Drops All Pretense: Quietly Turns CISA Into A Full On Surveillance Bill

from the even-worse-than-before dept

Tue, Dec 15th 2015 9:28am — Mike Masnick

Remember CISA? The "Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act"? It's getting much, much worse, with Congress and the administration looking to ram it through -- in the process, dropping any pretense that it's not a surveillance bill.

As you may recall, Congress and the White House have been pushing for a "cybersecurity" bill, for a few years now, that has never actually been a cybersecurity bill. Senator Ron Wyden was one of the only people in Congress willing to stand up and directly say what it was: "it's a surveillance bill by another name." And, by now, you should know that when Senator Wyden says that there's a secret interpretation of a bill that will increase surveillance and is at odds with the public's understanding of a bill, you should to listen. He's said so in the past and has been right... multiple times.

Either way, a version of CISA passed the House a while back, with at least some elements of privacy protection included. Then, a few months ago it passed the Senate in a much weaker state. The two different versions need to be reconciled, and it's been worked on. However, as we noted recently, the intelligence community has basically taken over the process and more or less stripped out what few privacy protections there were.

And the latest is that it's getting worse. Not only is Congress looking to include it in the end of year omnibus bill -- basically a "must pass" bill -- to make sure it gets passed, but it's clearly dropping all pretense that CISA isn't about surveillance. Here's what we're hearing from people involved in the latest negotiations. The latest version of CISA that they're looking to put into the omnibus:

Removes the prohibition on information being shared with the NSA, allowing it to be shared directly with NSA (and DOD), rather than first having to go through DHS. While DHS isn't necessarily wonderful, it's a lot better than NSA. And, of course, if this were truly about cybersecurity, not surveillance, DHS makes a lot more sense than NSA.
Directly removes the restrictions on using this information for "surveillance" activities. You can't get much more direct than that, right?
Removes limitations that government can only use this information for cybersecurity purposes and allows it to be used to go after any other criminal activity as well. Obviously, this then creates tremendous incentives to push for greater and greater information collection, which clearly will be abused. We've just seen how the DEA has regularly abused its powers to collect info. You think agencies like the DEA and others won't make use of CISA too?
Removes the requirement to "scrub" personal information unrelated to a cybersecurity threat before sharing that information. This was the key point that everyone kept making about why the information should go to DHS first -- where DHS would be in charge of this "scrub". The "scrub" process was a bit exaggerated in the first place, but it was at least something of a privacy protection. However, it appears that the final version being pushed removes the scrub requirement (along with the requirement to go to DHS) and instead leaves the question of scrubbing to the "discretion" of whichever agency gets the information. Guess how that's going to go?

In short: while before Congress could at least pretend that CISA was about cybersecurity, rather than surveillance, in this mad dash to get it shoved through, they've dropped all pretense and have stripped every last privacy protection, expanded the scope of the bill, and made it quite clear that it's a very broad surveillance bill that can be widely used and abused by all parts of the government.

There is still some hesitation by some as to whether or not this bill belongs in the omnibus bill, or if it should go through the regular process, with a debate and a full vote on this entirely new and different version of CISA. So, now would be a good time to speak out, letting your elected officials and the White House know that (1) CISA should not be in the omnibus and (2) that we don't need another surveillance bill.

In the meantime, if Congress were actually serious about cybersecurity, they'd be ramping up the acceptance and use of encryption, rather than trying to undermine it.

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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:51am

Well the upside is it's easier to oppose.
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David, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:53am

A Republic, if you can keep it.
Thanks, Benjamin Franklin. At least the $100 bill does not look like it's going away soon.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:56am

Our traders, er I mean politicians at work...
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limbodog (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:58am

Be on your best behavior
Santa is watching...
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:58am

"So this is how liberty dies... to thunderous applause"
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Glenn, 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:05am

Dear Congress, do you really think you can protect a country by destroying everything it stands for?
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:07am

Re:
As long as you keep using that quote, liberty will live on.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:08am

Time
Time to replace the government with one that represents the people.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:12am

President Obama: Veto this Bill!
Go to the following web site; they will connect you to a number of people at the White House who are getting irritated by so many calls!

https://www.obamadecides.org/
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AN69 (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:29am

Re: Time
I'm not aware the Thomas Jefferson ever took up arms to fight the original revolution. But I'm willing to bet that he would this time.

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. (*) ME 1:193, Papers 1:125

Tom, we miss you
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:31am

Re:
...Dear Congress, do you really think you can protect a country by destroying everything it stands for?...

The destruction began a long time ago, and yes Congress played (and still plays) a part.
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Jeremy2020 (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:35am

Re: Re: Time
Violent Revolution is the only option for real change. It's going to be some time before the populace gets to that point though.
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Will-INI (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:54am

Never Waste a Crisis
It's almost like they've been waiting for a terrorist crisis to push through CISA. That's sick.
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jupiterkansas (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:04am

Re: Re: Time
He may not have taken up arms, but he put his life on the line as a traitor to the crown by signing (and writing) the Declaration of Independence.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:12am

now what are the odds the intelligence community used their previous "surveillance" to blackmail the few remaining holdouts in congress to push this through.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:14am

Re: A Republic, if you can keep it.
There are fools that want Obama's face on that bill instead
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:15am

Re: Never Waste a Crisis
Or created one
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:18am

I've seen 2 letters from OPM last week
Within the past week, I've seen two letters to friends/family notifying them that their info was part of the OPM breach. It's pretty clear how well the government is at securing data that people share with them. I don't want my data in government's leaky hands.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:29am

Re:
Dear Congress, do you really think you can protect a country by destroying everything it stands for?

During the Vietnam war they said "sometimes you have to destroy a village in order to save it". Now they're just defining the U.S. as a large village.
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Alien Rebel (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 11:33am

Re:
This is America. First you kill something, then you have a taxidermist preserve its beauty in a lifeless replica you can then treasure forever.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 12:31pm

So who actually decides if this goes in the Omnibus bill?
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Personanongrata, 15 Dec 2015 @ 1:07pm

Actively Working to Subvert the US Constitution is Treason
Congress Drops All Pretense: Quietly Turns CISA Into A Full On Surveillance Bill

Do the know-nothing nitwits infesting Capitol Hill realize they are actively subverting the US Constitution the very document they have sworn to defend?
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 2:00pm

All in the name of terrorism. LOL
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 2:12pm

Re: Actively Working to Subvert the US Constitution is Treason
> Do the know-nothing nitwits infesting Capitol Hill realize they are actively subverting the US Constitution the very document they have sworn to defend?

Yes.

Lots of people try to bring up Hanlon's razor when it comes to this stuff, which is foolish. This is malice, plain and simple.
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David, 15 Dec 2015 @ 2:59pm

Re: Actively Working to Subvert the US Constitution is Treason
Uh, if you haven't followed political events closely: perjury is acceptable in Congress when committed in the war against the Constitution. Naturally that includes the oath of office.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 3:40pm

"And, by now, you should know that when Senator Wyden says that there's a secret interpretation of a bill that will increase surveillance and is at odds with the public's understanding of a bill, you should know to listen. He's said so in the past and has been right... multiple times."

He's also promised to reveal specifics on the floor if no one else comes forward with them (where he can do so). To date, he has NOT done so. He's a bigger liar than Feinstein, and that's pretty damn big. In fact, it seems his only purpose is to rub it into the nose of the populace.
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chuck testa, 15 Dec 2015 @ 6:05pm

Re: Re: NOPE...er maybe....
Chuck Testa !
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Jason, 15 Dec 2015 @ 6:05pm

Re: Wyden
This is assuming, of course, that he's not being blackmailed by the intelligence agencies. "Open your mouth on the floor of the Senate, and, well, wouldn't it be unfortunate if you had an 'accident' after that, or if we leaked your dirty laundry to the media?"
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 6:29pm

Can we kill these people?
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AN69 (profile), 15 Dec 2015 @ 7:38pm

Re:
Anonymous Coward, Dec 15th, 2015 @ 6:29pm
Can we kill these people?

Not legally. There is legal protection (EPA) for Snail Darters, various bats, foxes,a type of Florida Lichen ., and whorpacens. Whorpacens are evolved Lichens that is/are a composite organism that arises from symbiotic relationship betwee Whores and PACs.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichen for better understanding of their cousin.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 7:54pm

Russ Give was the original NSA whistleblower who leaked the spy program to the NYT and they sat on it till after the '04 election. He said the NSA spied on Supreme Court judges, senators, and even presidential candidates for the explicit purpose of blackmail. Judging from this bill it looks we've had a silent coup in this country.
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ww, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:14pm

this is far from the first time these people try nonsense like this. and even if they dont succeed it is unlikely to be the last. rly at what point of them trying to take away peoples freedom do we get to rise up and put some heads on pikes as warnings for the next people in power?
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Ryunosuke, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:19pm

The greatest threat to US security isn't ISIS/Daesh, It isn't Al-Qaeda, It isn't China or North Korea. No, our greatest threat is ourselves.
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:30pm

I am already so close to going off the grid that this won't be much of a problem where I am going. See you all when you get there.
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Breadback, 15 Dec 2015 @ 9:55pm

Re: Be on your best behavior
You meant "Satan," right?
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2015 @ 10:50pm

Re:
Who's applauding?
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David, 16 Dec 2015 @ 1:05am

Re: Re: Be on your best behavior
Either way, The Crimson Mage.
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David, 16 Dec 2015 @ 1:17am

Re:
"ourselves"? I wasn't born with a green bill quacking out of my ass. Our "representatives" are not "ourselves". The system is set up such that the hens can vote which fox is to guard the hen house.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2015 @ 2:44am

Re: Actively Working to Subvert the US Constitution is Treason
They want in on the new nobility being made in preparation for the soon to be ruler for life position
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2015 @ 2:45am

Re:
Which is ironic as half of what you listed was created and is being funded by the US government
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2015 @ 3:07am

Re: Actively Working to Subvert the US Constitution is Treason
The 4th amendment was subverted long ago.
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That One Guy (profile), 16 Dec 2015 @ 3:19am

Re: Re:
The voyeurs in the government agencies this stands to greatly benefit.
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Johhny, 16 Dec 2015 @ 7:23am

seems kind of low to me, using terrorism as an excuse to "surveil" all your civilians. Since when did the law switch to guilty unless proven innocent?

This act only serves the paranoid state of mind the U.S. government has right now.

This comming from a nation where one of their greatest presidents said: "we have nothing to fear, but fear itseld"(Franklin D Roosevelt for those who had forgotten their history lessons, and i am from europe, for crying out loud)!

Isn't it about time its government acted like the great nation they portray themselves to be?
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anon, 16 Dec 2015 @ 9:09am

Re:
its about time someone is making sense
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Richard Johnsen, 16 Dec 2015 @ 12:31pm

Re: Can we kill these people
Absolutly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we win the revolt we have only murdered traitors!!!!!!
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GEMont (profile), 16 Dec 2015 @ 1:14pm

Another day, another lie, another dollar and another fool born.
Can't say as I'm at all surprised by this.

After all, a fascist government listens only to its board of directors and their concerns as relates to their stockholders, and the American Public is neither a stockholder, nor a voting board member of AmeriCo Inc.

The American Public is indeed, the national resource; the very feedstock, upon which the profits of AmeriCo depend.

The Federal Fascist Government of the USA has clearly and plainly stated with this legislation, that you, the American Public, are the enemy and that they are going to watch your every move and listen to your every word and they are going to hang your ass out to dry and destroy your life and your family, if you dare step out of line.

Oh yeah, and that you, the American Public, are going to pay for the entire process and for the salaries of the assholes that are building the Fourth Reich upon the land of the 'thought they were free'.

You have no voice under a fascist government.

Do cattle vote on what the rancher might choose to do?

For those of you who remain willfully blind to reality because its not the pretty picture you desire, and who continue to support your federal government because maybe some day the billionaires that make up its roster might become honest and start doing the job you thought you hired them to do, know that you have nobody to blame for the downfall and dissolution of your nation, other than yourselves.

Fascism thrives where apathy and fear rule the people and fascism is a death sentence for every nation it infects.

Perhaps it is true.
Perhaps you really do get the government you deserve.

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GEMont (profile), 16 Dec 2015 @ 2:00pm

Re: Time
I think we will eventually find that the only government that represents the people, is the one that is composed of the people being governed.

As long as the government is composed of citizens whose wealth places them outside and above the laws that govern the rest of the population, you will always end up where we are today - with the rich eating the poor and the middle class, because they can.

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GEMont (profile), 16 Dec 2015 @ 2:02pm

Re: Re: Never Waste a Crisis
Well surely you did not think ISIS members wore masks because they were shy.

ISIS is US us.

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Fanfic Girl, 16 Dec 2015 @ 2:33pm

Fanfiction and Stuff
Don't you dare touch my fanfiction and YouTube, bill!
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Andreas Schlüter, 16 Dec 2015 @ 3:21pm

Congress drops all pretense
Sorry US, here´s the mirror: List of my Articles on the USA! http://tinyurl.com/phctqbk
Andreas Schlueter
Sociologist
Berlin, Germany
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Brennen, 16 Dec 2015 @ 5:48pm

Yup.
Yeah dude, leave it up to our politicians to completely ignore what our country originally stood for and place a surveillance bill inside a MUST PASS budget bill in order to avoid a shut down. The worst part about it is that they know they can continue to pass whatever they want. The only thing that will stop them at this point is a revolt and we're years away from enough people waking up to start one. They're going to tell you that they were looking for a terrorist when they show up to arrest you for pirating "Dallas Buyer's Club".
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deez nuts ha got 'em, 16 Dec 2015 @ 7:13pm

dis is bullshit
This is bullshit,this really need to stop,but still..history repeats itself and that is what might be happening soon,let's just take all of the idiots and put them on a island to govern themselves and leave us alone,forget this bill man,what's next? Cameras in our house now? Or having policemen circle our house everyday and night?
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2015 @ 8:37pm

Re: Re: Actively Working to Subvert the US Constitution is Treason
the war against the Constitution.

The real "war" that they don't want to admit.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2015 @ 8:38pm

Re:
Terrorism in the name of anti-terrorism.
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Dee3407 (profile), 16 Dec 2015 @ 11:39pm

Re:
I'm from Las Vegas and if I were a beting man I would take those odds. In a heartbeat.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2015 @ 11:50pm

Re:
They only hum the national anthem due to the riaas' collection agencies, so they don't know the words. They also know it is in the public domain but that it would be too costly to prove legally, so they just hum along. Who doesn't love a hummer?
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Catreece, 17 Dec 2015 @ 3:01am

Re: Time
Good luck with that, you don't have a single presidential candidate who's remotely interested in restoring the constitution, and the two most likely to get voted in, Clinton and Trump, both have every intention of putting it through a paper shredder.

With the bulk of the populace still honestly believing that their vote matters, and that their labels of democrat or republican have any value at all (seriously, both sides are for this crap), it's kind of clear you're not going to be voting one in, so good luck with that.
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John, 17 Dec 2015 @ 5:02am

Re: Re: Re: Time
"Violent Revolution is the only option for real change" - to get where exactly?
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Wendy Cockcroft, 17 Dec 2015 @ 5:53am

Re: Re: A Republic, if you can keep it.
I take it there's STILL not an antidote to Partisan Nitwit Disease.
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Wendy Cockcroft, 17 Dec 2015 @ 5:54am

Re: Re:
Partisan nitwits who think it's one in the eye for Obama if this goes through because Nine Eleven for the children.
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Wendy Cockcroft, 17 Dec 2015 @ 5:58am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Time
Soviet-level repression, comrade. If the revolutionaries manage to organise sufficiently well to pull off a revolution, they will quickly find they are but cannon fodder and that certain authoritarians are waiting in the wings to take over when it's over. After that, any actions seen as counter-revolutionary will be stamped on very hard.

Look up the history of the French Revolution to get a flavour of what that would be like. In these days of conspiracy theories and rank paranoia what could be done to prevent such an outcome?
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GEMont (profile), 17 Dec 2015 @ 8:26am

Re: dis is bullshit
"Cameras in our house now? Or having policemen circle our house everyday and night?"

Where you been mun?

Cameras in yer house... got a smart TV, cell phone?

Cops circling yer house... drones are flying, spying, prying into everyone's daily routine.

And yer helping pay for it all through yer taxes.

What a hoot eh.

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GEMont (profile), 17 Dec 2015 @ 8:45am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time
Revolution is a ride upon a circle. One always ends up in exactly the same place where one began the ride.

There is absolutely no better excuse for legal tyranny, than to pretend to defend the nation against internal insurrection.

In fact, it is extremely likely that the current spate of obviously anti-constitutional laws and fascist actions by government and Corporate America, is specifically designed to foment dissent and pave the way for an easily controlled "popular" insurrection.

Once established in the minds of the general population, the government can easily play dress-up and become the "rebels", putting some apparently real teeth on the War against Terrorism, and thereby, legally wage war upon the US population, while airing a continuous stream of false flag "terrorist" acts on CIA-TV to prove the need for even more freedom killing laws.

Methinks we are being played.

Better than a revolution, is a nation-wide walk out.

Store up a month's supplies and just stop going to work.

Fascism is simply business-as-usual without restrictions.

Cut off the only thing that the wealthy care about - money - and it dies of starvation.

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dsfsfdsfsdf, 17 Dec 2015 @ 3:09pm

Re:
why in the actual fuck would you ever quote the prequel trilogy? jesus...
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MorganaTwist, 18 Dec 2015 @ 7:47am

Omg... this is so sad D:
So terrible what our gov, president, senators, and congressmen who are so crooked are trying to do to us, the American people. Its high time we stop thinking of ourselves as Elephants and Donkeys but rather address the REAL Elephant in the room: voting does nothing. They are all on the same side and no matter who or what you vote for they are planning some serious terrible stuff for us and this country. And this force bill of surveillance just proves it even more.

How can people even call it crazy conspiracy theories or nutjob stuff anymore when the proof is right there in black and white what they are trying to do to us even straight from the source of the horses mouth???
These people are EVIL and this NEEDS TO STOP. I voted to veto this and I will be calling today addressing this and my concerns and anger over this demanding this nonsense stop! But sadly... nothing short of a revolution from the people who defend America and her rights and freedoms and Constitution will be able to stop this.

We are one step away from total tyranny from our own gov. This madness needs to end before we all end up in Orwellian cages and cuffs in an Orwellian nightmare society. Did any of you see the giant eye cameras they are setting up in the UK that watches shoppers out in public surveying them and NO ONE over there is complaining but is saying they think its "neat" and "cool" and "they dont mind it."????

People are being brainwashed to ACCEPT this total perversion of freedom and rights and complete violation of privacy and they think its "cool" and dont care. It is apathy and fear and being brain dead dumbed down and flat out stupefied that will enable all of this to continue at a much worse rate.

I truly fear for my fellow Americans, all people around the globe and all of society, as well as for our mockery of a government that no longer works in the best interests of the people or the Constitution. They are wiping their ass with it daily and Obama needs to go. Screw his bragging of "being a good president and could possibly be elected for a THIRD term." No... f*** that. Get him out and dont let Hillary or Trump even TOUCH the POTUS status. We need a THIRD OPTION one that serves the best interests of the American people, our rights and freedoms, and to restore and uphold out Constitution and rights and to reverse this tyrannical BS.

COME ON PEOPLE. LETS STOP THIS TOGETHER. Wake up as many people as you can and spread the word and SOMEONE please ANYONE who would make a better president or leader needs to step in and FORCE THESE MAD CRAZY PEOPLE DOWN and OUT of our government. Our own constitution says that when this crap happens WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT to dethrone those in power and START OVER AGAIN setting up a new Republic Constitution based government in its place with responsible honest leaders and a President that is FOR THE PEOPLE and enabled BY THE PEOPLE. WE are the PEOPLE and WE should be demanding our rights and freedoms back and elimination EVERY SINGLE CORRUPT BILL OR LAW PASSED and REVERTING IT kicking it OUT OF THE BALLPARK.

This countries future rests on its Patriotic freedom loving honest civilians who will stand up together and fight this and do the right thing. We have the power.

"People should never fear their governments. The governments should fear their people." - V for Vendetta
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2015 @ 2:23pm

Re: Time
a government job should be non profit and you should not be sitting on a paycheck and instead do it pro bono but thats just my opinion
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GEMont (profile), 18 Dec 2015 @ 5:51pm

Re: Omg... this is so sad D:
The call to action is all well and good, but in order to actually begin a process of unified reaction to the current threat of internal take-over by corporate interests, you will have to lay out a plan of action that is both clear and doable, by the vast majority of Americans.

The problem is not so much that few see the writing on the wall, as it is that none can see a clear path to freedom from this looming tyranny, instigated by your very own wealthiest citizens.

Armed insurrection will accomplish nothing more than, at best, replacing the current leaders with new leaders who will quickly don the trappings and attitudes of those they deposed, and, at worst, lead to an escalation of martial law and the installing of even more fascist friendly laws that restrict the movements of Americans even further, while offering the rulers a perfect excuse to begin purging the population of dissidents, trouble-makers, competitors and others, in the name of national security, with full public acceptance.

- side note

I think the current "gang" of Presidential Hopefuls are a ruse.

The real corporate selected POTUS has yet to be introduced to the American Public, so that the public can despair over the horror story that is unfolding before them in the form of a dozen insane clowns running for the office of president, who nobody in their right mind would ever vote for.

When the "ringer" - the real preselected POTUS - is finally displayed before the public, she will be pristine and perfect - like Obama was - and everyone in the USA will assume that everyone else in the USA will vote for that "candidate", because she will be the only sane choice, compared to the crowd of clowns currently dancing in the flood lights.

In this way, the final "landslide" vote for the "ringer", will be fully acceptable to all Americans, because it is exactly what all American will expect, and none will suspect that the whole thing was rigged from day one, until years later, when - like Obama - all of the silver-tongued promises of transparency and co-operation and justice and truth, turn out to be 100% pure BS, again.

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dan smith (profile), 18 Dec 2015 @ 6:30pm

Can't wait to vote these Dems out next year.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Dec 2015 @ 7:30am

Re:
Of course. Wake up! It's been known for half a century that if you want to save the village, you first must destroy it.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Dec 2015 @ 7:38am

Re: Re:
The origin of the word terrorism is terrorisme (the French Terror) - which was (in modern parlance) state terrorism of its own people. Since then it's been out-sourced so much it's completely changed meaning. Much less embarrassing. But I still prefer the good old days when we called them terrorisme-ists
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Dec 2015 @ 7:40am

Re:
"I have met the enemy, and he is us"
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Dec 2015 @ 10:01am

"Freedom...yeah, right".
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David, 20 Dec 2015 @ 5:34am

Re:
Will not help as long as you don't vote out "these Reps" as well. They are two sides of the same Möbius strip.
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dan smith (profile), 20 Dec 2015 @ 5:48am

Re: Re:
Just the Progressive Establishment Reps, then.
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Anonymous, 20 Dec 2015 @ 8:23am

USA: No longer "Land of the Free"
I really hope this bill does NOT pass. Because, judging by the way it's described, those in power have an agenda behind it---to take down freedom of speech & association, not to mention invasion of privacy.

The first thing I see wrong with this bill is this will not stop cybersecurity attacks. I'm a IT guy with over 10 years of experience, & let me tell you, no system is perfect.

The second thing I see wrong with this bill this the fact its an invasion of privacy. How can we be so sure we can trust our government? Remember the IRS scandels back in 2012? Government did those attacks!

Seems to me slowly & slowly America is turning into a socialist welfare oligarchy. Where tyrant judges don't allow The People to vote on issues, where broken families need the welfare system to pay their bills, & where our government does not respect the Constitutional rights.

America turned has turned its back on G-d. Now watch G-d bring her down!
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Dec 2015 @ 11:12pm

Re: Be on your best behavior
Well you may thing you can sneak around
And get away with something but there ain't no way
'Cause Santa's no fool, he's really super cool
He's the secret head of the CIA
Eesh, Iish, crime don't pay
You can't do nothin' 'cause you're never alone
He's even got a wire tap on your phone
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Aexeiz, 22 Dec 2015 @ 2:06am

so.. call it an idea out of plain irritation
so reading through 90% of the comments on here, I have heard some people cry out for revolution, and another saying that revolution would just create more problems due to bringing up even worse situations (due to human nature).

and I guess you could call me arrogant, but maybe I should run the country.
try to get the more constitutional shit back in. enforce free speech, enforce gun regulation rather then flat out bans, and get the mother fucker corp dicks out of our political system. sadly though, I am a 22 year old white boy with a severe lack of charisma.

but if I were to be able to make a party and do this, I would call it the grey party, as all the other sides are fucking insane.
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anonymous, 22 Dec 2015 @ 5:54pm

"Removes the requirement to "scrub" personal information unrelated to a cybersecurity threat before sharing that information."
The enrolled bill still has that restriction

Actual enrolled bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2029/text?format=txt

(2) Removal of certain personal information.--A non-Federal
entity sharing a cyber threat indicator pursuant to this title
shall, prior to such sharing--
(A) review such cyber threat indicator to assess whether
such cyber threat indicator contains any information not
directly related to a cybersecurity threat that the non-Federal
entity knows at the time of sharing to be personal information
of a specific individual or information that identifies a
specific individual and remove such information; or
(B) implement and utilize a technical capability configured
to remove any information not directly related to a
cybersecurity threat that the non-Federal entity knows at the
time of sharing to be personal information of a specific
individual or information that identifies a specific
individual.
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Some idiot who has an overly long username, 24 Dec 2015 @ 5:57am

Not again.
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Dec 2015 @ 9:27pm

"If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about."

To which I reply, are you 100% positive you've never done anything that might be considered against the law or raise suspicion - Even if you're not aware of such a law against whatever you did existing? Have you paid ALL your taxes in FULL for the past few decades and can prove this with extensive documentation, any outstanding debts you're avoiding in this or other States, ever mention drinking around your kids to a friend in a text and now Child Protection is calling you asking for an inspection based on an anonymous report, etc?

The feds couldn't pin a case on Al Capone for his criminal mafia activities and all the murders he was involved in, but they still managed to start investigations off by checking his tax records.
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Anonymous Coward, 26 Dec 2015 @ 5:27pm

Free at last, free at last
I thank God I'm free at last
Free at last, free at last
I thank God I'm free at last
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2, 1 Jan 2016 @ 12:24pm

shit
go away ass holes
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Anonymous, 3 Jan 2016 @ 12:31am

Paheal keeps bringing me here.
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