Canadian City Wants To Solve Crime Problem By Using Tracking Technology That Doesn't Exist
from the selling-fear,-buying-pipe-dreams dept
Williams Lake, British Columbia apparently has a bit of a crime problem. According to CTV News, it consistently ranks towards the top end of the violent crime charts for communities of its size. Early last week, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police released a video of a man pulling a gun on a Williams Lake resident and stealing his bike.
The city council has now sprung into action. It has a solution -- one that has received unanimous support from council members. It's a dystopian sci-fi solution with the emphasis on the "fi" part.
Williams Lake city council voted unanimously on Tuesday on a proposal to inject high-risk offenders with a GPS tracking device.The use of monitoring devices to track the movement of "high-risk" criminals is nothing new. Here in the US, ankle bracelets are used to track parolees and the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals -- somewhat in opposition of a 2015 Supreme Court ruling -- declared that lifetime monitoring of sex offenders is perfectly constitutional.
"Whether they’re walking downtown, whether they’re having a bath, whether they’re having dinner, we don’t care. We want to know where they are and what they’re doing," Williams Lake Coun. Scott Nelson, who introduced the motion, told CTV Vancouver.
Canada's constitutional requirements may be bit different, but there's nothing particularly unusual about monitoring the movements of recently-released felons. Lifetime monitoring may be asking a bit much, but the underlying concept is not new.
The problem with the Williams Lake Solution is that what the council wants it can't actually have… at least not at this point.
Despite Nelson and the rest of the Williams Lake council's hopes, the proposed technology doesn't appear to exist.So, never mind the constitutional questions. This tracking simply can't be done, at least not in the manner city officials unanimously believe it can. But fearful times call for fearful measures, as council member Scott Nelson so aptly -- and somewhat ironically -- explains:
Radio frequency implants, a type of microchips, have been implanted in pets but they only contain data, not the ability to provide a tracking ability.
Biohackers have recently been able to install microchips in humans, roughly the size of two grains of rice, but they only contain personal identification details.
The B.C. government says it's unaware of the technology desperately wanted by city officials.
"Prolific offenders are in every community across British Columbia, and the biggest problem we’ve got in Williams Lake is that they’re putting fear into people," Nelson said.Someone's definitely "putting fear into people" and I don't think it's just the criminals. Wanting to know where a person is at all times on the off chance that they might commit a crime is no way to solve this problem. There are numerous other approaches that should be explored before the city starts injecting tracking devices into people using guidelines developed by the same people who unanimously voted to utilize technology that doesn't exist.
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"A good citizen is an obedient citizen, and only criminals object to being tracked. Remember, this is for your safety."
At most a chipped person is recorded as being in the general vicinity of a crime that occurs, which might help to narrow down the list of suspects some, but provides no definitive evidence that they were responsible, which means a plan like this does absolutely nothing to prevent crime, it just makes it slightly easier to solve it in a best case scenario.
And all that for the low price of completely stripping someone of privacy and tracking them 24/7(something which I'm sure would have no negative psychological impact whatsoever), what a steal huh?
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the tech is already here
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Re: "A good citizen is an obedient citizen, and only criminals object to being tracked. Remember, this is for your safety."
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It's Even Better
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Are you sure we are talking about Canada?
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City council, all powerful, all knowing, mostly impotent...
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Let's Make This Fair
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But, sadly, chances are this tracking technology -- despite the fact that it doesn't exist -- would be easier to implement. And council will then be able to say that they did something.
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Re: Are you sure we are talking about Canada?
Here in reality, making guns harder to get merely *reduces* gun crime. Just compare similar Canadian and US cities. Washington, D.C. consistently has a murder rate over ten times that of Canada's capital city of Ottawa, despite roughly the same population.
"Handguns are available for self protection in Seattle, but not in nearby Vancouver, Canada; handgun killings are five times more common and the handgun suicide rate is ten times greater in Seattle. Guns make impulsive killing easy."
- Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World
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Here in the States? Not so much.
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Canada’s rate of firearm-related homicde is about seven times lower than that of the United States.
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Most of the violent crimes in the area tend to be due to repeat offenders who are prone to substance abuse. Hence the tracking idea -- the town has grown too large for people to track known dangerous people by word of mouth.
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How about a wall?
Oh wait. That is what a prison is for.
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Higher crimes against the elderly?
Higher crimes with a knife or blunt object?
Higher home invasion crimes?
I am not sure if it would be possible to look at Washington D.C. and Ottawa and compare overall crime.
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The Drunkard's Walk, tracked by iPhone
Tracking someone by iPhone would thus result in something ... nonlinear.
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However, soon after Apple "invents" this, a thicket of patent troll will start filing suit against Apple and Canada, in East Texas.
The patent's they will use will describe the following method:
"A system to track a person by doing something, with a computer."
And the trolls will win, resulting in more constitutional protections for the US people.
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That argument might work for Ottawa vs. Washington, but I don't buy it for Vancouver vs. Seattle. And yet...
"Handguns are available for self protection in Seattle, but not in nearby Vancouver, Canada; handgun killings are five times more common and the handgun suicide rate is ten times greater in Seattle. Guns make impulsive killing easy."
- Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World
> Guns are inanimate objects. Making something hard to get does not prevent it. Just look at Prohibition and drugs in the US. Both only drove the substances underground,
In this case making something (guns) harder to get does indeed prevent it. See Carl Sagan's quote above is just one of example - one that's still valid when you look at both countries as a whole. And it gives a good explanation why.
And no, handgun killings and suicide haven't been "driven underground."
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"Canada's constitutional requirements"
its a common mistake even in Canadian news storys, but one that bugs me to no end
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Comparing gun suicides is ludicrous. So if they didn't have access to guns they wouldn't commit suicide? People will commit suicide if they want to regardless of the method.
Not sure what you mean by the statement that handgun killings haven't been driven underground. Nobody said anything about that. What they did say was that gun sales would go underground like alcohol and drugs.
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Tracking
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Re: How about a wall?
I realize you're joking, but I suspect that a fair percentage of the crimes in Williams Lake are committed by people who already feel trapped there.
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This tech does part exist at least enough to 90 percent implement it.
1) inject subject with bluetooth implant that gives one time keys.
2) bind bluetooth implant to phone device. If bluetooth implant gets too far from phone device the phone device either 1 does not report in or raises alarm.
The phone device of course contains the GPS unit. GPS units are power hungry so not suitable for human embedded.
Issue police with high power bluetooth scanners. Embedded device attempting to connect to phone or connecting to phone will be detectable at max of 5kms line of sight.
Yes bluetooth scanners could be placed around critical areas.
People with medical implants already with bluetooth really don't understand how track-able they are.
Wifi and bluetooth can both be used for triangulation.
Its a lot simpler to find a person when you only have to get inside 1 km and find a signal.
Also due to the fact that bluetooth implants can basically use complete body as aerial so shield to hide is shield complete body.
To get better the most evil this is take a standard off the shelf bluetooth enabled pace maker and modify slightly. Now if it goes out of range of it reporting device or reporting device does not get back approval signal. Pace maker could massive restrict heart rate even possible kill.
So the question is not if they can embedded something into a human forcing human to report their current GPS location the question is should they be allowed to. Yes pace maker forces reporting GPS location by external device or you don't live with no option to run because you will not be sent the signal to keep you heart going if you run.
Most people are not aware that a lot of pace makers use for medical reasons bind to phones so if there is a issue they can report the person current GPS location so medical attention can head there. What I am suggest here is altering existing used tech for a different task. Its not going back to the drawing board and developing from scratch. So what I have describe you could possible implant in someone in about 6 months time after reworking the software. Zero new hardware would have to be made.
Comparing gun suicides is ludicrous. So if they didn't have access to guns they wouldn't commit suicide? People will commit suicide if they want to regardless of the method.
There is a factor here out of all suicide methods gun is the most likely to be effective first time. Now if a person fails there attempt at suicide this normally leads to medical intervention. The question is not if the person will attempt to commit suicide but how successful they will be at the attempt. Lower the success rate lower the death rate will be from suicide.
Guns with suicide also have another horible fact. Out of most of the suicide methods people choose Guns is the most likely for anyone disturbing suicide attempt to be harmed. Yes person attempting to commit suicide by gun and accidentally shoots the person who disturbs them.
Hang, Down, Overdoes, Stab self mostly self contained harm. That fairly much rounds out the top 5 methods people kill self only one is a ranged item being a gun. Maybe some education on risks to third parties by chosen suicide method would reduce gun usage in suicide. How many people committing suicide want to risk harming other people?
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It sounds very much like once you're tagged, you're fucked for life until they measure you for a coffin.
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Pace makers due to placement in body are designed to be medically removable at later date. But not all medical implants are in that camp. Of course you could use a bluetooth drug release pump instead of a pace maker as well. Medically induced coma if you don't report in. So there is more than 1 exist medical device that could be re-purposed to force reporting. All this existing in use medical blue-tooth enabled stuff is designed to be able to be removed and replaced.
The problem is the next generation medical stuff.
Latest generation neural implement experiments.
http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/health/article/2016/02/09/brain-power-could-restore-mo bility-paralysis-patients
These are not removable and possibly usable to disrupt motor control sections of brain but this would be using experimental tech. And worst of all powered by chemicals in the implanted person blood stream so will not go flat until person dies. Yes this item is bluetooth enabled.
We need to have the debate now if it acceptable and when it acceptable because the means to tag someone for life is just around the conner. Yes the USA mil is also look at neural implement tech for a brain modem not only to get data out of brain to put data into brain.
Yes what is becoming possible is getting very scary.
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Life imitating fiction gone horribly wrong
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http://actionallianceforsuicideprevention.org/sites/actionallianceforsuicideprevention.org/ files/Reducing%20a%20Suicidal%20Persons%20Access%20to%20Lethal.pdf
Reductions in access to quick and effective means of suicide are very strongly correlated to reductions in suicide rates. The causal connection is also clear: most suicides are impulsive, and the urge can last only a few minutes. One second with a loaded gun is long enough to commit suicide.
The more difficult and time consuming it is to commit suicide by a given method, the more likely it is that the urge will pass and the person will decide not to kill themselves.
Gun advocates have no way to counter the fact that gun ownership increases suicide except to ignore the evidence that the correlations exist in multiple cultures and multiple suicide methods, to ignore the evidence that suicidal impulses are usually momentary, and to ignore the fact that it is much, much, much easier and quicker for someone to kill themselves with a gun than by virtually any other common method.
Only by blinding oneself to facts and to logic is it possible to believe that ready access to guns does not lead to substantial numbers of people committing suicide who otherwise would not have.
Certainly, some people can and do commit suicide by other methods. That does not justify the common yet false belief that all of them would. Ideology is not knowledge, and belief is not understanding.
The Second Amendment makes private firearm ownership legal. It does not now, nor has it ever made private firearm ownership sensible.
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Henry David Thoreau, “Civil Disobedience”
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DOA
SO even if a rice-grain injectable device existed, we can assume that crafty criminals would likewise find ways of removing the tracker and going about things as they wish.
Injected things are easy to remove with a knife. Surgical implants might be harder but no cheapass police agency is going to pay for surgeons to work on this.
It DOES remind me of a sci-fi story I read years ago, and I cannot remember the name or author and I cannot find the damn book. But the premise involved a couple human astronauts who ended up in prison on an alien planet for some sort of contraband charge. Stuff in the ship medkit was illegal or something. Anyway these alien prison critters would inject a device into their inmates. It caused some sort of change to the blood which was harmless until or unless the inmate tried to remove the thing, at which point their blood would instantly crystallize and kill them. Or something like that.
I wish I'd actually read that book. All I remember is reading the first chapter or so.
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Ok this tech is not instantly crystallize. But embedded in brain is kinda not removable. Also not hard to extend to create blood malfunction in brain with any attempt to remove or any other nasty brain effects.
Cost of brain implants due to method is going to be quite low and very not removable. Paying a surgeon to put a brain implant in is less than 1 months keeping person in jail.
no cheapass police agency is going to pay for surgeons to work on this.
I would put this in the camp of wishful thinking. When cheapass police agency can release person sooner because they have more solid tracing so saving them over all money they will pay surgeon to-do hopefully.
Current medical tech you are looking at about 3 months jail time to match the cost of surgeon implanting them. Still possible cost saving if it works.
Something to remember people getting lethal injection on USA death row is done by some under-trained person. So nothing to say they will not do the same with brain inplants and not care about the few extra deaths.
http://healthland.time.com/2013/12/22/erasing-painful-memories-with-shock-treatment/
Scary part is shock treatment has been showing to prevent memory create. So mil could attempt to use this to prevent post traumatic stress by the person not ever being able to remember what they did.
Brain inplants are technically injectable device just with a guide cable to correct placement. Once in place they expand and lock to the vein wall and once locked there is no unlocking them.
Yes to get them out will require surgical skill massive. Putting them in is just guide them to correct place and say expand. Not much more complex of a process done for death row now by mostly untrained. Yes placing the existing in use medical implants require true skill and anything else is too removable.
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