Australian Government's Stupid Census Plans Puts Privacy At Risk, May Destroy Their Own Census

from the short-sighted-in-the-extreme dept

Mon, Aug 8th 2016 3:38am — Mike Masnick

You may have heard that tomorrow is the official day for the Australian census to take place... and many people are planning to ignore it, because of massive security concerns and some incredibly stupid plans by the Aussie government to retain and make use of the data collected. Having an accurate population census is an extremely important tool for a wide range of government services, but especially in an age of increasing (and very legitimate) concerns about government overreach and surveillance, some are reasonably worried about what's done with the data. In the US, it's been made quite clear that census data absolutely must be kept secret and not connected to individuals or used for other purposes.

Over in Australia, they've apparently got some other ideas in mind. Late last year, the Australia Bureau of Statistics announced that for this year's census it would, for the first time, retain all the names and addresses it collected. This has raised some pretty serious concerns, and some fairly weak claims from the government. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced that no one should worry because the government always protects people's privacy. No, really.

Mr Turnbull said on Wednesday the organisation "always protects people's privacy".

"The security of their personal details is absolute and that is protected by law and by practice," he said.

"That is a given."

Anyone claiming that the security of any system "is absolute" has no fucking clue about security. There is no such thing as absolute security, and saying as such probably just acts more to entice hackers to try to break in than anything else. The comments from the ABS's chief statistician are not any more comforting. When asked about security, he went with a Trumpian response of "we have the best security features."

"The ABS has the best security features," he said.

"We've never had a privacy breach with Census information and we do secure the information somewhat differently … These days we can keep names separate from address and separate from other Census content, in three separate computer systems and never brought together."

When asked if he believed this year's Census had been handled poorly, Mr Kalisch responded that "we're well ahead of where we thought we would be".

Making matters even worse, over the weekend, it was revealed that the ABS actually had plans to crossmatch people's data to other government services, and do other things with it -- which is exactly what a large part of the concerns were about.

“Retention of personal identifiers could improve the value of census data through data integration and linking, which would enable new products,’’ the document, released under freedom of information laws, stated.

The same document notes that there may be some "public backlash" to all of this "which would need to be carefully managed."

So far, they're not doing a very good job managing anything. The privacy and security concerns are growing rapidly, and people are speaking out on why they're willing to face fines and punishment by refusing to fill out the census -- even those who strongly support the idea of the census. This post from the former Deputy Privacy Commissioner, Anna Johnson, is well worth a read:

The definition of ‘census’ is “an official count”. I actually want to stand up and be counted. But only counted; not named or profiled or data-matched or data-linked, or anything else. The privacy risks of doing anything else are just too great.

I have thought about just refusing to provide my name. But even if I don’t give my name, if the ABS is determined to link my Census data with other datasets, there would be enough other information in my Census answers (sex, age, home address, previous home address, work address) to let them proceed regardless. It won’t be enough to protect my privacy.

There's a lot more in Johnson's post that is worth reading, including just how ridiculous the privacy promises are, and even an analogy of how the ABS is acting "like a very, very bad boyfriend" who "keeps on breaking promises, pushing boundaries and disappointing you."

As for the security assurances, beyond just being ludicrous in claiming "absolute" security, there are already some pretty serious concerns. First of all, can you really claim that your security is "absolute" when you're storing passwords in plaintext? I don't think so -- but that's apparently what the ABS is doing with census passwords.

Storing passwords in plaintext is the clear mark of an amateurish security operation.

On top of that, some are already finding that their older computers are apparently unable to handle the census. If the goal is to collect information on everyone, perhaps you should design a simple system that doesn't require a modern computer.

Finally, shouldn't people be at least somewhat concerned when the security for the census is being handled by IBM, and an IBM "worldwide security architect" based in Australia tweets (and then deletes) that he expects the census data to be "inevitably leaked"?

Having a census is important. But it should be clearly and directly limited to just that purpose. There should be no storage of names and addresses. There should only be storage of the final aggregate data. The fact that Australia is going in a different direction -- and considered "doing more" with the information, including crosslinking it to create "new products" should be extremely concerning. The fact that the government is claiming its security is "absolute" when it can't even properly handle passwords makes the whole thing a joke.

And, now, because of this mess, plenty of people say they're simply not going to obey and respond to the census. And while the Australian government may try to crack down on such behavior, in the end, it's absolutely going to call the accuracy of the census into question. So in their quest to expand the power of the census, the ABS may have done the exact opposite. * Special thanks to Australian journalist/privacy activist Asher Wolf for helping me go through some of the details on this story.

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Having a census is important. But it should be clearly and directly limited to just that purpose. There should be no storage of names and addresses. There should only be storage of the final aggregate data.

...just like they've always done in... oh yeah, in no census ever.

However much of a problem it may be over the short term, personally identifiable data in census records makes for incredibly valuable historical documents. Just ask any historian or genealogist.

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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 3:47am

>Australia [...]

http://i.imgur.com/pKKwbvv.png
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Yes, I know I'm commenting anonymously, 8 Aug 2016 @ 3:53am

I did not know there were ostriches in Australia.
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PaulT (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:03am

"These days we can keep names separate from address and separate from other Census content, in three separate computer systems and never brought together."

"Retention of personal identifiers could improve the value of census data through data integration and linking, which would enable new products"

So... they're never brought together. Until the data's integrated with additional systems.

Did this actually make sense to someone when they stated it, or is it only with the benefit of edited we can see how dumb it is?

"We've never had a privacy breach with Census information"

Don't worry, you've made yourselves look incompetent *and* issued a challenge to any interested hacker out there. It won't be long. Unless your ability to detect a breach is on par with your ability to secure user passwords, in which case it's way too late.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:04am

"The ABS has the best security features. We've never had a privacy breach..."

Not even God could sink this ship.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:30am

Nothing to See Here
"We've never had a privacy breach..."

Of course not - you never previously had data anyone would want to steal.
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Lesath, 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:46am

"census data absolutely must be kept secret"
Except when it isn't. Like when it is used to round up and intern people. Like US citizens of Japanese descent during WWII.
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Paul Renault (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:48am

Thank goodness, at least Australia has a Privacy Commissioner.
Though she might need more powers, eh.

You'all in the 'States should get one (or fifty-one) of these. They're good to have.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:51am

What I can buy with 180$AUD
We can surrender to our govt 180 dollars a day for every day after Aug 9 whilst they coercively fine us for not submitting accurate census data.

Then they can pay us back 180 dollars a day for every day after they're hacked until the genie is back in the bottle.
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R2_v2.0 (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 5:12am

Genuinely concerning
So as an Australian citizen, I now have all of my demographic, health, welfare and internet browsing data held online by the government - that will definitely end well.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 5:20am

"plans to crossmatch people's data to other government services"

This is a problem, that is true. Should not happen.

As for keeping names and addresses, that is what a census is. Historical census returns are invaluable for the study of migration patterns, economic and indsutrial development, disease patterns and health research amongst other reasons. This is how we detail our history, and in particular the lives and history of ordinary people (not many of us would have been wealthy or important enough to appear in written records of the 1840s, for example). One day soon each of us will be history too and I WANT my descendants to trace me and my ancestors. Hence the 100yrs+ rules in so many countries. Until the 'secret' retention period has expired then the data should only be available in summary form. Census records are national treasures and should be treated as such if we value our cultures and histories.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 5:33am

Huh. Yeah, as an (obviously anonymous) Australian commenter, I have really serious concerns with all this. I have actually had a number of contracts with the ABS in years gone by and they always emphasised the privacy aspect of the work I did for them. How ironic that they now plan to invade and abuse everyone's privacy with this stupid census. The security assertions might satisfy a 9 year old, but that's about it. Most of the media here just repeat the government's soothing statements with zero analysis, so most people just blithely accept them without question. I may just refuse and see what happens. Fuck 'em.
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anal passages are us apparently, 8 Aug 2016 @ 5:53am

cunty cunt holes all of them
fucking stupid idiotic government parasitic twitheaded stupid heads. they are stupid . computers will always be special magic to them bumbling cunts. fuck them.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 6:18am

Every Nation gets the Government it Deserves!

~Joseph de Maistre

I feel sorry for individuals, but never for a nation!
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 6:33am

Re: Nothing to See Here
I wonder if they even know what a security breach is since they obviously don't know what possessed security is.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 6:34am

""The ABS has the best security features," he said. "

Sounds like Trump
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 6:34am

Re: Re: Nothing to See Here
*password security.

Gotta love auto-correct.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 6:38am

new products
What concerns me the most is the "new products" idea. What are they?
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MadAsASnake (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 6:40am

Re: Re: Re: Nothing to See Here
... but strangely appropriate in this case...
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 7:01am

Re:
"We've never had a privacy breach with Census information [that we were aware of]"

FTFY
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Mason Wheeler (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 7:25am

Having a census is important. But it should be clearly and directly limited to just that purpose. There should be no storage of names and addresses. There should only be storage of the final aggregate data.

...just like they've always done in... oh yeah, in no census ever.

However much of a problem it may be over the short term, personally identifiable data in census records makes for incredibly valuable historical documents. Just ask any historian or genealogist.
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sage, 8 Aug 2016 @ 7:26am

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In all fairness, Australia, like the UK, is a nation of adults who like being treated like children.

I have no sympathy for them.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 7:41am

Caesar wants to know how many people there are so he knows how much he will need to raise their taxes. I guess he doesn't realize they don't call it the Outback for nothing.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:11am

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Not sure this is just Australia or the UK.

Every time someone asks their government to save them from something...
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Agena, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:27am

Re: What I can buy with 180$AUD
Then they can pay us back 180 dollars a day for every day after they're hacked until the genie is back in the bottle.

Of course then they'd have to charge you twice that in extra taxes to pay for it.
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Agena, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:29am

Re: Genuinely concerning
End well? I doubt it will ever end at all.
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John Fenderson (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:33am

Interesting definition of "secret" or "private"
It's a very curious definition indeed when "secret" or "private" means "we can use this data for other purposes".
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Agena, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:33am

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Historical census returns are invaluable for the study of migration patterns, economic and indsutrial development, disease patterns and health research amongst other reasons.

And rounding people up. You forgot that one.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:36am

Gee, this couldn't possibly be the consequence of large budget cuts leading to a loss of staff and services:

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/06/abs-budget-cuts-blind-economic-policy/
http://www.sm h.com.au/comment/budget-cuts-how-asic-the-abs-and-the-ato-are-turning-off-the-lights-20140608-zs16p. html

It's not like this already lead to embarrassing problems like getting basic employment figures wrong:

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/jobs-figures-are-dodgy-abs-admits-20141008 -11cc5q
https://theconversation.com/joe-hockeys-user-pays-plan-for-the-abs-doesnt-add-up-32790

And it's not like the increases in budget since then went straight into the shift to computerized data collection that's blowing up in their faces:

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/574411/250m-it-upgrades-abs/

No, I'm sure that all of that was completely coincidental.
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MarcAnthony (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:41am

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As for keeping names and addresses, that is what a census is. Historical census returns are invaluable for the study of...

Perhaps it's different in other countries, but the intended purpose of the census in the US is for the apportionment of representation. You can pass information to your descendants without census mission creep or governmental assistance. Kids would probably value a family tree that was created and passed down by an ancestor more so than census data that was collected without their forebears' informed consent, and it would probably be more accurate than the BS responses that will be returned for the Australian census.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:45am

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No we're not. Can you grow up a little bit?
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s, 8 Aug 2016 @ 8:56am

I'm not doing it.
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Diphda, 8 Aug 2016 @ 9:11am

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Nuh-uhh! You take that back right now! Or I'm going to hold my breath until you do!
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JoeCool (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 9:15am

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Nah - sounds like Clinton, who thinks computer security is having an armed guard next to the door to the computer room. :D
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James Burkhardt (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 9:16am

Governments should not be developing "products", like they are a retail establishment.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 9:38am

Re:
However much of a problem it may be over the short term, personally identifiable data in census records makes for incredibly valuable historical documents. Just ask any historian or genealogist.

I have no obligation to future historians or genealogists to make their job easier.

At least in the US, the census is supposed to be to determine population, so we can correctly apportion congressional representation. They have no business demanding that people answer all of those long form questions. Even on the short form I would say they have no business demanding my race. They need to know the number of people. That's it. They don't need to know if I have a refrigerator or whether I took a ferryboat to work.

...just like they've always done in... oh yeah, in no census ever.

In 1790, they listed the name of each head of household, and they asked questions about the number of free White males aged under 16 years, the number of free White males 16 years and upward, number of free White females, number of other free persons, and number of slaves. That's it. (Differentiating the slaves was required at that time due to the 3/5 rule.) They didn't even ask for the names of anyone except the head of household until 1850.
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DogBreath, 8 Aug 2016 @ 9:42am

Re:
If I were an Australian, I would tell the government that they can have my personal identifying information (PID) tied to my census data when it becomes "Historical", i.e. when I am dead, so the historians or genealogists can have the info they need.

An easy way would be to set up a deadman switch with a lawyer to release that PID when I have been confirmed dead.

As for "Historical Documents" saved in a totally safe computer database, it always starts out really noble and all like this, but then turns into this, and ends up with this.
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That One Guy (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:14am

Re: Interesting definition of "secret" or "private"
It's 'secret' and 'private' in the sense that the public doesn't have access to it(well, at least not until the database is hacked and the info leaked), government agencies will of course have access for whatever reason they can think of. To 'better serve the public' of course.
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John Fenderson (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:16am

Re: Re:
"the intended purpose of the census in the US is for the apportionment of representation"

That is the constitutionally required purpose, but is not the only purpose. Everything else the AC said about the purpose of the census applies to the US census as well, except that in the US, individualized information is not made available for 72 years rather than 100+.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:26am

Re: Re: Re:
"That is the constitutionally required purpose, but is not the only purpose."

So what part of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to require people to tell them whether they have a refrigerator, or their ethnicity, or whether they have trouble concentrating?
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That One Guy (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:27am

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Yeah, beyond other problems I have with it the background of the one who made it makes it a little hard to buy.

'Joseph-Marie, comte de Maistre (French: [də mɛstʁ]; 1 April 1753 – 26 February 1821) was a Savoyard philosopher, writer, lawyer, and diplomat. He defended hierarchical societies and a monarchical State in the period immediately following the French Revolution.

...

Maistre, considered by Masseau and Didier to have been a key figure of what they termed as the Counter-Enlightenment, saw monarchy both as a divinely sanctioned institution and as the only stable form of government. He called for the restoration of the House of Bourbon to the throne of France and argued that the Pope should have ultimate authority in temporal matters.'

Given the source that line strikes me as less 'the government is a reflection of the will of the people' and more 'if your government is acting badly you deserve it as punishment from on high'.
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John Fenderson (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:47am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
The same part that authorizes the census:

[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

"in such Manner as they shall by Law direct" has been interpreted as being expansive, meaning that any question may be asked. The Census bureau has this to say on the subject:

Even though Congress has granted this broad discretionary authority, the questions asked in the Census and ACS are determined by what data are needed to implement a vast array of federal programs. Courts routinely have upheld the constitutionality of collecting census data, characterizing as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census.

The Courts have held that the Constitution, including the Fifth and Fourth Amendments, does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics in addition to the enumeration.
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Kleeia, 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:50am

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They need to know the number of people. That's it.

Actually, the US Constitution says that the US census is to be conducted in the manner determined by Congress. So Congress determines what gets asked, not you. Sorry.
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Kleeia, 8 Aug 2016 @ 10:56am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
So what part of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to require people to tell them whether they have a refrigerator, or their ethnicity, or whether they have trouble concentrating?

Since you seem to be too lazy to read it yourself, Article I, Section 2 empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct".
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The Donald, 8 Aug 2016 @ 11:06am

Re: Re:
The ABS has the best security features,
just look at all the security features it has,
there are no better security features anywhere.

And believe me, I know about security features.
I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things
about security features. No one knows security features as much as I do.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 11:08am

How many Aussies are Jedi Knights?
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SteveMB (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 11:12am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
any question may be asked

And any answer may be given. For security purposes, I salted (i.e. added plus-or-minus a random amount in the range of "large fraction of the actual answer") my responses to the nosy (US) "long form" (before it got replaced with the ACS form).
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Avior, 8 Aug 2016 @ 11:51am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
And any answer may be given.

Lying on the census is a federal crime.

For security purposes, I salted (i.e. added plus-or-minus a random amount in the range of "large fraction of the actual answer") my responses to the nosy (US) "long form" (before it got replaced with the ACS form).

You just admitted to committing a federal crime. And since you're a registered user, the feds could, if they so desired, subpoena your information from Techdirt and prosecute you.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 12:06pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
You read this as a blank check, apparently. I don't. Sure, they have the power to do the enumeration in the manner they shall direct. But this only gives them the power to conduct the *enumeration* in this manner. They can mail the form, or send census workers, or put it online, or whatever. But asking questions about your mental state is not a manner of conducting an enumeration - it's doing something else entirely while also conducting an enumeration.

The courts may support them, but the courts are routinely too permissive when it comes to the powers it allows the federal government to have.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 12:12pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
The courts may support them, but the courts are routinely too permissive when it comes to the powers it allows the federal government to have.

You may believe that your personal authority exceeds that of the federal courts. I, however, disagree.
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John Fenderson (profile), 8 Aug 2016 @ 12:31pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"The courts may support them, but the courts are routinely too permissive when it comes to the powers it allows the federal government to have."

With regards to the census specifically, the courts have ruled this way from the very beginning. The objections you're raising have been raised pretty much since the census began.

You may disagree with the interpretation (I disagree with plenty Constitutional interpretations myself), but that's what it currently is until someone can make a strong enough effort to change it.

This one has had longstanding and unwavering acceptance, though, so the required effort will be substantial.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 1:44pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From the beginning? Given how little information the first few censuses asked for, it doesn't seem like this could have come up in the beginning. If it DID come up very early, then the courts were basing those rulings on forms that asked hardly anything and pretty much WERE just an enumeration, and not the current forms that ask for so much more.

And yeah, I know my personal feelings count for nothing. I may think jury duty is a clear violation of the 13th amendment, but I'd still show up, because I'd rather not be thrown in jail for violating the unconstitutional law. The punishment for merely not answering census questions is only a maximum of $100.
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Alya, 8 Aug 2016 @ 2:19pm

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"The punishment for merely not answering census questions is only a maximum of $100."

And a criminal record, with all that entails.
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Chris Brand, 8 Aug 2016 @ 3:36pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Here's a good summary of what information has historically been collected on the US census
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Beginning_Research_in_United_States_Census_Records#What_can_I _find_in_them.3F

Even the 1790 census had the name of the head of the house.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:06pm

Re:
As another, equally anonymous Australian commentator, I suggest that, in the interests of your privacy, you should also:1) Surrender your drivers licence - heaven forbid that the government should be able to match not only your name and address but also the vehicles you own, 2) surrender your Medicare card, because that can be used to match your name and address and also your medical records, 3) get yourself off the electoral roll, so that the government can't match your name and address, 4) close all your bank accounts, since that not only matches your name and address but also your financial situation and credit card details, 5) Ensure that you always earn less than $18000 per year so that you don't have to have any dealings with the Tax Office who match your annual salary with your name and address but also try to ensure 6) that you don't have to deal with Centrelink. Good luck with all that.
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Rekrul, 8 Aug 2016 @ 4:30pm

I don't believe for a second that US Census data isn't fed into a database to be used for other purposes, complete with identifying information.

I suppose I'd object to providing all that information if I ever got one. Somehow though, my mailman always seems to lose mine (along with other mail), and I'm always out when they come by. They probably call, but I don't have a cell phone and my answering machine doesn't always record messages properly. I really should get a new one...
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Aug 2016 @ 7:41pm

Data retention
Mike, another bit relevant to your story: In addition to the given changes, the ABS also wants to store Census data for 4 years. This is increased from the previous storage of 18 months.
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oh dear, 9 Aug 2016 @ 12:04am

Re:
If you value being an Australian on stolen land then go right ahead and give away your privacy!

I for one will be giving false information for I value my privacy.

Being threatened a hefty fine to protect ones private information is abhorrent and amateurish
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TechNoFear (profile), 9 Aug 2016 @ 2:07am

Re: Re:
In contrast to the US, which is a nation of children pretending to be adults...
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Aug 2016 @ 8:01am

Pay $180 and have at least an ounce of self-respect
Yes, most of us cannot afford $180/day on a long-term basis, but in the least we should delay the census, perhaps even by just one day or one week - at least we will know inside that we haven't surrendered without battle.

There will come a day when having a receipt for this fine will be highly celebrated.
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Aug 2016 @ 8:17am

Well and good
A criminal record of this nature will be a source of pride. Your grandchildren will be able to tell all their friends that their grandpa/grandma was one of the pioneers of the revolution to overthrow the evil Canberra regime.
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John Fenderson (profile), 9 Aug 2016 @ 9:25am

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In practice, there is no punishment for noncompliance (even if it would be legally allowed).

What actually happens if you refuse to participate in the census is that census workers knock on your neighbors doors to ask about you and fill in whatever they can learn that way.
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CharlieBrown, 9 Aug 2016 @ 2:36pm

That didn't take long!
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32281361/census-website-collapses-due-to-malicious-foreign-hackers/
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Aug 2016 @ 2:56pm

Who needs privacy when a government is totalitarian?
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Aug 2016 @ 4:13pm

Re:
There arent...
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Aug 2016 @ 8:34pm

Re: That didn't take long!
Yes, and as one bright boy pointed out, website primed to 1 million visitors per hour probably got 10 million visitors in 1/2 hour as the visitors got down to using site after teatime.

To save face, they are now claiming that this event was caused by foreign hackers/DDoS.

Still waiting on paper form that was requested a week ago.
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Aug 2016 @ 8:37pm

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Not any more, as they are extinct now. Not enough money to be made, the farmers went out of business.
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Kronomex, 10 Aug 2016 @ 12:26am

Some time last night the ABS site crashed and was down for hours. They blamed naughty overseas hackers DDos/Dos'ing them. Funnily enough people did some checking and couldn't find any of what they said happening. They blamed these unknown attackers for their fuck up! What a surprise.
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SteveMB (profile), 11 Aug 2016 @ 12:29pm

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whether they have trouble concentrating?

They're just asking for people to check "yes" on this question and ignore all the others, aren't they?
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