Off We Go: Oracle Officially Appeals Google's Fair Use Win
from the off-to-the-races dept
It was only a matter of time until this happened, but Oracle has officially appealed its fair use Java API loss to the Federal Circuit (CAFC). As you recall, after a years-long process, including the (correct) ruling that APIs are not covered by copyright being ridiculously overturned by CAFC, a new trial found that even if APIs are copyright-eligible, Google's use was covered by fair use. Oracle then tried multiple times to get Judge William Alsup to throw out the jury's ruling, but failed. In fact, on Oracle's second attempt to get Alsup to throw out the jury's ruling, citing "game changing" evidence that Google failed to hand over important information on discovery, it actually turned out that Oracle's lawyers had simply failed to read what Google had, in fact, handed over.And now the case will finally move up a level, as it was always going to do. There should be lots of fireworks here. CAFC is notoriously bad on a variety of issues, but it would take a pretty impressive level of confusion here to mess this up. Going against a jury's findings on fair use is a big ask, and Oracle is likely to try some silly games whining about jury instructions and such. Hopefully CAFC doesn't fall for it. If it does, hopefully, it doesn't muck stuff up as badly as it did with its first ruling in this case, that simply got confused over the nature of what an API actually is.
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Filed Under: android, api, cafc, copyright, fair use, java
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Re: Fair use
Their famous attacks on customers for arbitrary license fees that total in the millions are well known, adding Java only incites Oracle to attack more often.
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There are buttloads of companies and organizations (e.g. governments) that still use java and have no plans to replace it.
And as to your points:
A) possibly, depending on task. it depends on what you are doing as to whether there are better alternatives.
B) Java is free. When was the last time you paid:
Sure, you CAN pay for those, if you want, but usually you are paying for support or a developer tools (IDE, e.g. J Builder) or management framework (Application Server, e.g. Weblogic, WAS, etc).
C) There are non-oracle implementations of Java.
Don't get me wrong, I do dislike, despise even, Oracle the Company - I think them buying Sun was one of the worst events for the IT industry in the last decade.
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I'm a web developer - a huge number of (I might even go so far as to say most) database driven websites use MySQL. The complete lack of features for it compared to other free databases (PostgreSQL, MariaDB, etc) is shameful, and makes my job a lot harder than it needs to be.
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I guess that's how you tell when a company has reached irrelevancy. When it's decided on the motto "If I can't have it, then no-one can."
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Headline correction needed
Oracle to retire JAVA
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Various project work based on FORTH principles. Once ready then released. Yippy.
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C is a badly designed high level assembler. Inconsistent in the various implementations, very easy to foul up and excellent at making buggy programs.
But, I wasn't describing C as a COBOL, but those COBOL like languages (that are worse) that are in use today - C++, JAVA, C#, etc.
The only reason I am using it for implementing a language at this point in time is that it is used for the rest of the project. The hoops I will have to jump through to allow for multiple O/S's and hardware bases will make using C a real pain in the posterior.
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Not content with destroying Sun...
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