New Florida Bill Seeks To Bury Recordings Of Mass Shootings
from the screwing-the-public-to-save-the-government dept
Florida legislators are thinking about handing some opacity back to Florida law enforcement agencies in the wake of the Parkland school shooting. The tragedy of the event was compounded by on-site law enforcement's response: that is, there wasn't any. Faced with increased scrutiny over a handful of mass shootings in the state, at least one legislator's response has been to bury the bad news under a new public records exemption. [h/t War on Privacy]
In less than three years, Florida has seen the second-deadliest mass shooting – Pulse nightclub – and the second-deadliest school shooting – Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. One gunman killed five at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport. Another killed five at a Sebring bank.
Yet Senate Bill 186 would create an exemption to the state’s public records law for all photographs and audio and video recordings that relate to the “killing of a victim of mass violence.” The bill defines mass violence as the killing of at least three people, not including the perpetrator. Violation would be a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison.
Senator Tom Lee's bill is a gift to the government at large, even if law enforcement agencies and schools will be the most direct recipients of this largesse. If this "privacy protection" had been in place a few years ago, the public would have had no idea how badly the Broward County Sheriff's Department botched its response to the school shooting. Not only would that have kept the BCSD relatively free of criticism, it would have shielded its oversight -- state legislators -- from being asked what they were doing to prevent school shootings and/or ensure better response from those expected to serve and protect the public.
Supporters of bills like these claim it's all about protecting the privacy of crime victims and their families. But as the excellent Sun Sentinel op-ed points out, most requests to block release of recordings originates with governments and businesses rather than the victims and their loved ones. These requests have prevented the public from accessing key details in everything from Dale Earnhardt's Daytona crash to an inmate's death at the hands of jailers.
The law already blocks the release of recordings containing the death of a law enforcement officer. This addition could be read to cover any deadly incident in which more than one person is killed. Any whistleblower releasing recordings to show the public what really happened -- rather than the official narrative -- will now face felony criminal charges for doing the right thing. This isn't going to restore confidence in government agencies and their response to deadly incidents. All it will do is drive a wedge between them and the people they serve.
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Florida... isn;t that the state where the prison guards boiled the mentally ill man to death, forced other prisoners to clean up the carnage, & they declined to press charges?
There is no real point to this law other than to allow them to hide more details & that works out well. I mean its not like we are still discussing if jet fuel can melt steel beams b/c information was hidden giving rise to conspiracy theories.
Do it for the victims! Do it for the families!
Of course if it benefits cops & companies who failed in some way from public scrutiny thats just a happy side effect.
I mean its not like we've seen families demanding footage of their loved one being murdered released & cops fighting that release until they can do a deep dive into the victim & find previous bad acts to excuse the death.
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Florida...
This is definitely about keeping bad stuff out of the news, but it's probably more to do with the real estate and tourism industries than with protecting cops and other government officials.
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I especially "enjoyed" this part of the bill:
"We gotta because...because...terrorists! That's it, we gotta keep this secret or the terrorists will kill us all!"
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Where have I seen this before...
Ah yes, ag-gag laws, where they tried to make it illegal to report on things that might result in powerful/rich people having things they'd rather much prefer stay hidden exposed.
Supporters of bills like these claim it's all about protecting the privacy of crime victims and their families. But as the excellent Sun Sentinel op-ed points out, most requests to block release of recordings originates with governments and businesses rather than the victims and their loved ones.
Because if you're going to try to cram through an unconstitutional law, might as well go full sleaze and hide behind corpses and their former families while you do it.
These requests have prevented the public from accessing key details in everything from Dale Earnhardt's Daytona crash to an inmate's death at the hands of jailers.
... well, unless said corpse happens to be a prisoner at the time, in which case screw them, if they didn't want to be murdered they shouldn't have gotten themselves sent to jail.
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That's a... uh... novel take on human psychology...
'A video where someone just gunned down a bunch of people? Damn, where do I sign up?!' - Said no-one remotely sane, ever.
That they seem to think that the only thing keeping people from going full terrorist is not seeing a photo/video of the carnage says a lot about what they think of the general public that voted for them.
I'm curious though, if they think people are that easy to manipulate into murder, would they also be in favor of prohibiting the press from talking about mass shootings? Because if a video and/or audio recording is enough to flip the kill-switch that apparently everyone has, then I'm pretty sure the news doing exhaustive coverage of a mass-shooting would absolutely flip that switch as well.
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"What you don't know won't hurt us."
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Not sure why I am surprised...
I'd been following the superhero exploits of Florida Man for some time. I must have missed where he'd run for election and become Florida Legislator.
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Maybe they think that since sending a message is the goal of terrorists that if we ignore them and all of the dead bodies terrorism will be pointless? Still incredibly fucking stupid of course.
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Remember the Columbine shootings?
We were promised "this will never be allowed to happen again".
Yeah, right.
Not until they show some spine to keep guns out of the hands of certain people who should not have them.
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Are there any laws against the public setting up cameras around cities to record stuff, much in the way companies have security cams, etc?
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I've always been amused at how the arguments for these favors for cops always end up sounding like "for the children!" arguments. Like our police officers are pathetic little children that can't follow the rules like the rest of us.
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Well, the be fair, a lot of these mass shooters are terrorists. They just don't meet the preferred definition used by gun lovers.
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Remembering the human cost of these events
Kenneth Jarecke took a photograph during the gulf war of an Iraqi soldier who burned to death after his vehicle was hit by an airstrike. He was questioned why he would photograph something like that and he answered "...if I don’t take pictures like these, people like my mom will think war is what they see in movies.”
I sometimes hate how we hide from the terrible events that happen around us. Photographs from these events remind us of the true human costs of our actions in society and we sometimes need to be reminded of them if we are ever going to change.
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I don't think sanity is a major prerequisite for a mass shooter.
I think there's quite a bit of evidence that (some) mass shooters do it for the attention. I remember one fuck-knuckle in particular, back in '06 or '07, mailed photos of himself posing with guns to NBC right before the shooting. (I'm not going to look it up, because fuck that guy.)
I think it was extremely foolish and wrongheaded of NBC to air those photos. I think the correct response would have been to discuss receiving them in the mail but choose not to give the killer the additional publicity he wanted.
I think the media should be a lot more restrained in its coverage of spree shooters. Obviously shooting sprees are news, but I'd just as soon not know the killer's name or see his face, let alone see days, weeks, or even months of in-depth profiles and baseless speculation on his motivations.
All that said, that's a matter of editorial discretion, and just because I believe the news media shouldn't cover shootings the way they do doesn't mean I believe they should be legally prohibited from doing so.
On top of which, of course, that's not what this bill is about, at all. That may be the excuse, but it's quite clear that this bill is intended to suppress video that is embarrassing to law enforcement.
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"I remember one fuck-knuckle in particular, back in '06 or '07, mailed photos of himself posing with guns to NBC right before the shooting"
I believe you're talking about Virginia Tech. In which case, the irresponsible part wasn't them sharing the photos. It was the endless baseless commentary trying to guess which games/movies he might have been copying, instead of talking about the actual facts involved.
"I think there's quite a bit of evidence that (some) mass shooters do it for the attention."
The problem is that "mass shooter" is unfortunately too wide a term to make generalisations. Some were clearly just mentally ill. Some did it because they were being bullied, abused. Some did it because they wanted fame. Some did it expressly to further a social or political agenda.
Now, the problem is that there's only a certain amount of overlap between all of these people. So, the way that's most responsible to cover each event will differ. The guy who just wants fame should probably be denied that, but the guy who's trying to ignite a race war should probably be exposed in order to diffuse any propaganda that would feed into his agenda if people felt something was being covered up.
"I believe the news media shouldn't cover shootings the way they do"
I agree, but more to the point of there being breathless live coverage followed by days of speculation before the real facts come in.
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It seems to me that both things were pretty irresponsible. We don't have to pick just one; they're not mutually exclusive.
That's fair. I still don't want to see that guy's picture or learn his name, but a discussion of propaganda tactics, recruiting measures, etc. would be extremely valuable.
For all the shit Trump gave Obama for never using the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism", he sure doesn't seem to want to use the T-word when white supremacists are involved.
That's a huge part of the problem, agreed.
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Why not both?
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Re: Not sure why I am surprised...
That's very much like the Florida tag over at Fark.
:)
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"It seems to me that both things were pretty irresponsible. We don't have to pick just one; they're not mutually exclusive."
True, although I can see the newsworthiness of that given the relative novelty of mass shootings at the time, and that few killers outside Zodiac and the Unabomber have a habit of outlining everything for the press.
I'd certainly question the same reporting now, but the photos were clearly newsworthy - the speculation about whether he was trying to copy Oldboy in one of the photos was clearly not.
"For all the shit Trump gave Obama for never using the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism", he sure doesn't seem to want to use the T-word when white supremacists are involved."
Since 9/11, there has definitely been a push to pretend that terrorism is solely an Islamic thing, especially from the kinds of group Trump appears to favour. I just hope such fiction isn't driving too much policy behind the scenes, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's been actively redirecting resources away from more imminent threats so he can look like he's "winning".
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Re: Remembering the human cost of these events
Modern society is trying very hard to ignore the reality that "War if hell". Now it's a video game! Try to get the high score!!
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Gah - was IS hell. Sorry, but we still need that edit button.
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I don't know about "actively", but he's certainly diverted resources away from FBI programs that monitored white supremacist groups.
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the second-deadliest mass shooting – – and the second-deadliest school shooting
Florida, can't even be number one at this. They should use the shotgun approach and create numerous useless bills.
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Well the courts treat them like children(really, really stupid children at that), so it's no surprise that they and their defenders would see that and run with it.
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Well, most of them...
"'Spec Ops: The Line'? Oh no no no little Timmy, don't you want to play a good war game, one that's fun and doesn't leave a sick feeling in your tummy? Yeah, why don't you do that, and I'll just take this little disc to the garbage."
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Re: Re: That's a... uh... novel take on human psychology...
I think there's quite a bit of evidence that (some) mass shooters do it for the attention. I remember one fuck-knuckle in particular, back in '06 or '07, mailed photos of himself posing with guns to NBC right before the shooting. (I'm not going to look it up, because fuck that guy.)
I suspect that you're right, that at least for some the guaranteed fame is certainly a part of the motivation, which is why I'm a big supporter of the Some Asshole Initiative. No name, no picture, no pondering their motivations, just 'some asshole killed some people, and if you want to help the victims here's some resources you can use to do so'.
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WOW..
So every news network that shows up is going to pay ALLOT of money to get the journalists OUT of jail, so they can publish OUTSIDE the state...
WE have a NEW internet service to sell you..
Direct to the NET access, using Cellphone Wi-fi..
AND, In the Van, Long range Video and Audio recording ability...Can you read my lips from 1 mile..??
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Re: keep guns out of the hands of certain people who should not
Amen to that.
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There's a Preview button. Learn it, love it, live it. ;-)
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I normally do, but still miss key words sometimes, especially if they're spelled right, but not the word I meant to use. It's very easy to read what you WANTED to write instead of what you actually wrote.
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Amazon Forgot Password
People nowadays have multiple accounts with utterly completely different websites and extra. In such cases, they need AN inclination to forget passwords to their account. don't be concerned if you fail to remember your Amazon Prime account’s identification. you will be ready to merely recover it. to require care of the privacy and security of its users, Amazon incorporates a firm methodology to recover passwords and accounts. The step involves two to a couple of verification ways to verify the possession of the account. After that, you will be ready to merely recover your account, reset and alter your account’s identification.
Amazon Forgot Password
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Forgot Amazon password and email
Amazon is that the quickest and most reliable delivery service. it's a trustworthy complete among its users. Amazon has immeasurable happy and happy customers across the globe. to guard privacy and beware of the safety of the users, users ought to produce Associate in Nursing account with Amazon victimization their email id and mobile range.
Forgot Amazon password and email
In case you've got forgotten your Amazon account’s word or to recover your Amazon account, you wish to 1st reset your Amazon word. Resetting the forgotten Amazon word is a straightforward method.
Follow the steps and directions below to recover your Amazon account’s word.
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Amazon password Assistance email
In case you'd like several facilitate, Amazon’s shopper support team is correct there to assist you. If you forgot your Amazon parole, you'll get facilitate from Amazon parole help email service. Follow the directions below to urge facilitate from the Amazon secret facilitate email facility.
Amazon password Assistance email
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How to get the refund for Amazon Prime
Users will cancel their paid Prime membership any time by visiting their Amazon Prime Account and canceling the Prime membership from there themselves. If you quit your paid Prime membership throughout 1st three days of language up and paying for Prime membership, Amazon can issue a virtual e-credit note to the user then refund the total membership fee that was paid to Amazon.
How to get the refund for Amazon Prime
After canceling and quitting your Prime membership, make certain that you simply have additionally turned off the machine payments choice. when doing, therefore, you may ne'er be charged by Amazon while not your permission. Once the refund has been initiated, it'll mirror into your account among 3 to four operating days.
There square measure many cases that boost the refund eligibility. If the users haven't used any of the Prime services among their paid membership, they're eligible for an entire refund. just in case they need to be used the services, they'll get a partial refund.
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Refund for Amazon Prime
Users can cancel their paid Prime membership any time by visiting their Amazon Prime Account and canceling the Prime membership from there themselves. If you quit your paid Prime membership throughout first 3 days of language up and paying for Prime membership, Amazon will issue a virtual e-credit note to the user then refund the entire membership fee that was paid to Amazon.
Refund for Amazon Prime
After canceling and quitting your Prime membership, ensure merely|that you just} simply have to boot turned off the machine payments alternative. when doing, therefore, you'll never be charged by Amazon whereas not your permission. Once the refund has been initiated, it will mirror into your account among three to four operative days.
There area unit several cases that boost the refund eligibility. If the users haven't used any of the Prime services among their paid membership, they are eligible for a complete refund. simply just in case, they have to be used the services, they will get a partial refund.
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Refund Amazon Prime membership
Amazon Prime membership is often manually canceled by Prime users. Prime membership is got all users. It comes with a one-time annual membership. Users will cancel and quit Amazon Prime at any purpose they feel. In some cases, users square measure eligible for a refund. whereas sign language up for Prime, Amazon asks the users to link their debit or MasterCard that is additional verified. this is often in deep trouble the costs for Prime subscriptions and alternative payments to Amazon.
Refund Amazon Prime membership:
In case you have got used a number of the Prime services in your paid subscription amount, you're still eligible for a partial refund. to understand a lot of regarding this case, check the listing section of the web site and also the Refunds and Payments sections of the Amazon Prime help desk.
Once the refund is approved and initiated by Amazon, it reflects within the user’s account inside 3 to four operating days. Deductions aren't created whereas initiating the refund. Amazon follows its strict policies for payments and refunds and everyone these square measure in favor and goodwill of their valued customers.
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How to get a refund on Amazon Prime?
Amazon Prime membership will cancel Prime users from their Amazon account. The Amazon Prime membership may be a paid membership for all its users. you'll build the payment for subscription – monthly, annually or semi-annually. Earlier, it came solely with the one-time annual subscription set up however currently it comes with multiple plans for users. The Prime users will quit their Amazon Prime membership at any time they require to. In some circumstances, the user's are eligible for a refund upon canceling their Prime subscription. At the time of sign language up for Prime, Amazon asks the users to link their debit or credit with their Amazon accounts that are additional verified. this is often in serious trouble the costs for Prime subscriptions and alternative payments that are created to Amazon.
How to get a refund on Amazon Prime?
You can value more highly to discontinue the Prime service when buying it. when victimization Amazon Prime services, if you would like to quit the service. you'll quit and cancel your Prime membership and obtain a partial or maybe a full refund of the subscription quantity by Amazon. The standing of the refund varies on the purpose if you've got used the service or not. If when turning into a paid Prime member, you've got not used any Prime services or availed any advantages for Prime users, you're eligible to induce a full refund of the full quantity. If you've got used a number of your Prime services when buying Amazon Prime, you're then eligible for a partial refund. Contact Amazon client care when you've got canceled your Amazon Prime services. confirm to show off the auto-renewal choice for payments.
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Amazon Prime Membership Refund
Amazon has currently full-grown up from simply being a delivery service. it's created its thanks to alternative sections like recreation, lifestyle, etc. Amazon launched its Prime service that enclosed several such edges at the value of one subscription. except for the delivery of the product, Amazon Prime has several extra benefits. Users simply got to obtain the Prime service once to fancy a full year of Amazon Prime services.
Amazon Prime Membership Refund
Amazon Prime comes with several extra edges except for looking on Amazon. The one subscription fee of Amazon Prime offers the users several services like Amazon Prime delivery, Amazon Prime Movies, and videos, Amazon Music, Amazon library, Amazon larder, etc. Users simply got to get hold of the one subscription charges of Amazon Prime to induce these irresistible deals and edges. Prime users additionally get special discounts and offer on Amazon. There are completely different plans accessible to shop for the subscription of Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime Members additionally get extra edges and services of obtaining their packages and orders delivered inside 2 – days from once the orders are placed. But, the users will cancel and refund their Amazon Prime subscription any time they require.
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Refund Prime Membership
Users will Refund Prime membership any time they require. Prime members will cancel their prime membership themselves and obtain a refund from Amazon. Amazon Prime has several edges to supply to the users. One fee for subscription of Amazon Prime provides users the whole access to Amazon Music, Amazon Videos, Amazon larder, free delivery, etc for gratis. 1st-time users UN agency have logged in to Amazon Prime for the primary time are gave a free month of Amazon Prime. however just in case, the users need to stay the subscription post the period of time, they will simply get it on themselves. it's completely simple and needs simply some steps and it'll be done among some minutes.
Refund Prime Membership
Users will cancel their Amazon Prime membership at any time they require. Users can even get an entire refund of their membership if consummated bound conditions. If the users cancel their Prime membership throughout the primary thirty days of free trial, then the users don't seem to be charged any cash or the subscription value. once the termination of the thirty day period of time, if the user tries to log in to their Amazon Prime account at the moment, their MasterCard are straightaway charged with the value for the membership.
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NC State Tax Refund Customer Service
North Carolina is that the ninth largest town and is endlessly growing and also the most reason behind it is the taxpayers. The govt. is using their money to stay up with the pace of different states. It’s one in each of the best states to travel with beaches and mountains. If you are a subject to the NC state and paying your taxes like a law enduring subject then you would like to use for the tax refund also if you fall under the class. And if you want help then contact the NC state tax refund customer service. As they will help you with the problems or questions you are facing simply.
State tax refund customer service
Applying for the tax refund are a difficult task and especially once you are new this. But once you are doing this you can forever take help from the NC tax refund telephone number. As they will guide you with each and every step that you simply} just face throughout the submission of the appliance. Like that document, you have got the need to submit and also the way thus you will get the refund simply.
Even once you have got submitted the appliances you will have some level of curiosity for the procedure. So, for that NC state tax refund, customer service can help you with that. They will offer you the information for the appliance you have got submitted. This may help you to stay a constant eye on the process and help you track at what time your application is at what stage.
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