Unsurprisingly, Larry Klayman's Veiled Threats And Insulting Of Judges Isn't Helping Roy Moore's $95 Million Defamation Lawsuit
from the Klayman-&-Moore-Show-heads-to-Manhattan dept
Roy Moore, alleged sexual abuser of teens and apparent front runner for US Senate seat, continues to sue entertainer Sacha Baron Cohen for ruining his pristine reputation. Moore was duped into appearing in a segment with Cohen in which Cohen pretended to have acquired a "pedophile detector" crafted by the Israeli Army. During the bit, the alarm beeped twice in the vicinity of Moore.
According to Moore's own lawsuit, this subterfuge and subsequent beeping caused him $95 million in reputational damage because it gave viewers the impression he was, and I quote, "a sex offender." Unfortunately for Moore, this is an impression many viewers likely already had, thanks to an extended news cycle featuring a line of women accusing Moore of engaging in inappropriate behavior with them when they were teens.
Even more unfortunately, Moore has decided to hire Larry Klayman as his lawyer. I suppose if you're going to lose, you may as well lose as loudly as possible. The lawsuit is far from over, though. So, that's going to give Moore the opportunity to pay Klayman repeatedly for irritating presiding judges and otherwise fail to advance Moore's case.
Right now, there's an argument over jurisdiction. Moore wants the lawsuit to remain in the Washington DC court, arguing that the "injury" occurred in this location since that's where the bit featuring Moore was recorded. Cohen wants it moved to Manhattan, since that's where Moore is legally bound to bring a lawsuit according to the agreement he signed with the defendants (Cohen, CBS, and Showtime) prior to taping.
The judge has decided to move the lawsuit to Manhattan despite Klayman's protests to the contrary. Klayman and Moore were likely going to lose this jurisdictional decision anyway, but Klayman made sure the loss would leave an impression on both the judge in Washington DC and the judges awaiting assignment of the incoming case. Zoe Tillman has the details at BuzzFeed.
Monday's hearing didn't start well for Moore, who was sitting in court next to his wife, Kayla Moore, also a plaintiff in the lawsuit. Klayman, Moore's attorney, introduced his client as "chief justice," the title Moore held when he served on the Alabama Supreme Court. [Judge] Hogan noted Moore was a "former" judge, however, and had Klayman acknowledge Moore was no longer on the bench. Moore was removed twice from the state Supreme Court before running for Sessions' seat.
Klayman had another awkward exchange with the judge later in the hearing. Hogan asked Klayman about an argument he'd made in a brief about Cohen and Showtime preferring New York because they were more likely to get a "left-leaning" judge there. Klayman initially said he didn't believe he used that term, but walked that back when Hogan cited the page number where it appeared. Federal judges tend to bristle at arguments about their political leanings, perceived or real.
Representing a pretty much defamation-proof client in a $95 million defamation lawsuit can't be easy. But Klayman is insisting on making it as difficult as possible for both him and his client.
In what appeared to be a veiled threat, Klayman told the judge that but for the fact that Moore was a "gentleman," Cohen wouldn't be walking around now. Asked to clarify what that meant after the hearing, Klayman told BuzzFeed News, "He would have been punched out on the spot."
Yes, that's what everyone's always saying about Roy Moore: he's a gentleman. In this case, though, he's managing to invert an old adage about legal representation. It's said the man who represents himself has a fool for a client. In this case, the fools are on both ends of the equation.
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Filed Under: defamation, larry klayman, roy morre, sacha baron cohen, satire, venue
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I would think that judges who are peers and worked with Judge Moore would have an inkling as to whether he was ethical or not.
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It's falsified supposedly objective "evidence" so defamation.
The stunt was over the line.
As indeed is your repeating of "alleged" claims.
On the meta view: has Techdirt nothing to say that promotes its own positives and isn't simply nasty? -- NO, you hide so much as can your agenda of destroying copyright, promoting piracy, attacking conservatives, promoting corporatism and globalism, including unlimited immigration into the US.
You can't actually state your own philosophy because know it's extreme, destructive, and LOONY.
So you're stuck with endless sniping. And you are not gaining readers, can't even get the few fanboys and astro-turfing "Gary" out today.
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+1 for being first, -1000 for being unoriginal and still using the quite frankly overplayed "arguments" as all the other astroturfers.
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Re: It's falsified Troll
Oh Hey Blue Balls! Thanks for stopping by and reading all my fine comments here on TD.
I was just wondering where your super-better news site with it's balanced stories, no moderation and cabbage is?
Thanks!
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Projection, thy color is blue.
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Re: It's falsified supposedly objective "evidence" so defamation
Google lists Techdirt very high up for many terms relevant to their articles.
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Endorsement
Hey, Moore must be a Fine Person - he got Trump's repeated endorsements.
Oh, maybe he should be suing Trump instead for making him lose his election?
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Allegations do not mean guilt, we are all afforded the assumption of innocence. If there is misconduct the correct place to address that is in front of a judge and 12 peers not in the press, not with a book deal and certainly not to BuzzFeed.
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Re: It's falsified supposedly objective "evidence" so defamation
Care for a few horizontal rules?
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Moore is lucky he is not rotting in jail where he belongs. If he were smart, he would stfu. I say give him more rope.
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You are talking about a court of law, the court of public opinion is a bit different.
I do not need to have a court tell me whether I should trust someone or not.
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Conviction
Are we talking about the same Roy Moore that was removed from the bench for ethics violations? Twice?
The one where multiple accusers stepped forward?
And were able to document their claims by showing for example that he was banned from the mall for perving on young girls?
A Fine Person! Loved by Trump!!
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They threw a rally for Roy Moore at the local mall but he never showed up.
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With out a conviction it all just innuendo and hearsay.
When people break the law there is a conviction, no conviction means there was not sufficient evidence to prove the crime.
Ethics violations, in this hyper-sensitive age have no meaning, everything and anything can be used as an ethics violation.
Telling that just because our duly elected president likes some one that makes them automatically a bad person. Roy Moore here but I would make the same argument for John Podesta. Punishing someone with out a conviction is wrong.
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What next, literally slapping the judge in the face?
Falsely presenting his client as a judge to an actual judge, getting caught making claims that they want a certain venue because the judge there are more likely to be sympathetic(which seemed to have nicely blew up in their face), insinuating that their client would really like to punch the defendant with the downright laughable claim that the only thing holding him back is because he's a 'gentleman'...
Looks like another entry is brewing for the 'This is what NOT to do' book that competent would-be lawyers can refer to.
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Shunning is a form of punishment.
But getting your assed kicked off the bench, that is a fact not hearsay chummer.
And I'm not implying that being endorsed by Trump is a bad thing. I'm saying straight out that Trump has no problem endorsing scumbags.
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not to mention telling me who to vote for.
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But getting your assed kicked off the bench, that is a fact not hearsay chummer.
Not a conviction either, friend.
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Competent lawyers do not need such a book, and why help those who should be shut down avoid their fate.
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Not all findings of guilt require a conviction, unless you want to imply that judges get removed from office(twice) on nothing more than whim.
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I would think that judges who are peers and worked with Judge Moore would have an inkling as to whether he was ethical or not.
From the linked article above:
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I'm not accusing him of a crime. I'm saying he's a scumbag and pervs on little girls.
But it's easier for you to believe he is a great person surrounded by liars. So be it.
By your reasoning his accusers Can't be lying, because Moore couldn't sue them (all of them) for defamation and presented his case before 12 jurors.
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'It specifically told you not to do that.'
Because it adds to the entertainment when the book describes what not to do, and they do it anyway?
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Little girls don't usually go to rallies.
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Your pov is not in the mainstream, it is perhaps a tad right wing for most.
Why should I reserve judgment, my own personal appraisal, until or even if there is a trial? That is a bullshit hurdle and individuals are not required nor expected to do any jumping around someone's dirty laundry just because they have sensitive feelings.
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Have you seen those books in a law library?
Obviously not.
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Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Betsy DeVos, Kristjen Nielsen, Steve Bannon, Brett Kavanaugh, Sean Hannity, Kim Jong-Un, Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan…do I need to list more to prove the point?
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Of course he is
Of course he is. He's a fine southern gentleman, bless his heart.
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Now now, the fact that Trump likes someone doesn't mean they are automatically a bad person just because historically that's often been the case, it just drastically increases the odds of that being true. I'm sure he's shows admiration and/or support for someone who wasn't a terrible person/brutal dictator at some point in his life. Probably by accident more than intentionally, but hey, you take what you can get.
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When you can't afford Rudy then hiring the next worst lawyer is just as good. For the defendants that is.
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At first I thought his lawyer was Larry KLANSman. Oh well, he could have hired that guy that so successfully got SCO $699 per CPU plus $BUTTHURT.
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Maybe he's trying for the Chewbacca Offense? Do enough monumentally stupid things that he can get a favorable ruling while the judge's head is spinning trying to keep up with his inanity?
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[asserts facts not in existence]
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yes, he got Trump's repeated endorsements.
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I think it’s great that you have moved from defaming the Email guy and the boutique brewery to a litigious, rich, influencial and successful politician, that is likely to hold office again. Really, great move, a former judge with a lot of friends and supporters. I’m happy to see it.
The list of those who understand the nature of Techdirt grows ever larger.
Maybe we could have a pool to bet how many more weeks it will be until Techdirt and their management are back in court in a new lawsuit. LIke a lottery, understand? Let’s say 1,000 spots, roughly the next 20 years, divided into (roughly) weeks. The bet? $1,000. The payoff? A million bucks (- an administrative fee).
Who’s in?
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Techdirt WON the lawsuit Shiva filed. Because Techdirt was telling the truth.
And here everything Tehcdirt says is the truth.
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"litigious, rich, influencial and successful politician"
I notice a lack of words which describe his moral and ethical character. There could be a reason for this, do you know what that might be?
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Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot. This is a religious site, and wants to teach the whole world about morals.
Teach on. 555
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You are attempting to convince people the guy is a saint but are unwilling to discuss his transgressions?
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He's a Fine Person! Such a good friend of the Pussy Grabber!!
How dare anyone say bad things about El Cheeto? He is the best pussy grabber, and he loves telling people how hot his daughter is.
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Three things.
1.) A court said Shiva Ayyadurai’s claim that Techdirt defamed him had no merit.
2.) Funny how you keep talking up Roy Moore as if he was not kicked off the bench — twice! — and accused by multiple women of sexually assaulting them when they were younger.
3.) Your desperation to believe Techdirt will eventually be brought down by a lawsuit makes you a fool; your attempts to hide it behind a veneer of playfulness makes you a dick.
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One important judgement about any “real” individual is the enemies they make.
I take your complaints about me as a badge of honor.
I am an American, with direct lineage to the Mayflower, the Constitution, and the American Revolution.
You are my enemy, by your own choice. You and your friends (likely just you signed in differently) are as un-American as I have ever heard.
Who the fuck are you again? Nobody nothing phony pony? Does that sound about right?
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“His transgressions”. Transgressions? From the religion of Techdirt? Are you kidding? Do you hear how stupid you sound?
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[citation needed, even though this is likely delusional bullshit]
Someone who lives in your head rent-free.
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Yes, completely rent and credibility free. You live hidden, cowering under a false name with no credibility, conscience or moral fiber. There you are, rubbing shit in your hair and screaming. It is amusing to see you dance when your leftist masters pull your strings, and when you try to use your weak brain to construct an argument. Fun, entertaining, and of course, free. You get what you pay for, but in this case, I get to have some fun at your expense.
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Funny you should bring up religion; Roy Moore got booted from the bench (the first time) for his refusal to follow a federal court order involving the removal of a Ten Commandments monument from the Heflin-Torbert Judicial Building.
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I rest my case.
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And by the way, there are a lot of decendents of the Mayflower - and many more from the American Revolution. Not so many from direct signatories of the Constitution, but hey, I’m special.
For example: https://familyhistorydaily.com/genealogy-help-and-how-to/are-you-one-of-35-million-mayflower-descend ants-heres-how-to-find-out/
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Yes, your one redeeming quality is that you will play the fool seemingly forever. And when you document your foolishness is threads like this one, about the Honorable Judge Roy Moore who is not and has never been a sex offender, you are contributing to a noble cause.
People read the truth as juxtaposed from your nonsense and quickly understand who is full of shit. Stephen T. ShitStone, that’s you, right? Reply again, please, I love these conversations when you are trying to defame honorable people.
I feel I am a better person than I was before when I invest in such things. Roy Moore is one of the finest judges who ever sat, and this site should be sued for implying and insinuating he is a sex offender. I hope he sues Techdirt, unmasks you in particular, and drags you in front of a jury. Not a jury of your peers, because you are n aberrant asshole. A jury of normal Americans. That would be good. And if he pays, even better, more free entertainment.
I found I sleep better if I write a little on Techdirt first - it makes me content to oppose public defamation of honorable individuals, like Judge Roy Moore.
And there are a LOT more people like me than like you.
Have a nice evening.
Signed,
Your special friend
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That you know of/can be proven in court. Given the number of accusers and their credibility, however, I would think of him as something like Schrödinger’s Rapist.
This is so bad, even Donald Trump would not use it.
Roy Moore attempted to push his religious beliefs upon the people of the state of Alabama by installing a Ten Commandments monument in a public building. “Honorable” is an…odd way of referring to a Christian sharia enthusiast.
Opinions based on a claim made by other people, even if the claim is a lie, are not legally actionable. Just look at Techdirt’s (legally protected!) opinion of Shiva Ayyadurai.
I hope he does, too, if only so I can watch his suit crash and burn like Shiva’s did. (At least Moore stands a better chance of getting more than 4% of the vote in any given political race, in any case.)
Not that hard to do, trust me.
So a jury of my peers, then.
American mental health systems have failed us all, then.
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Wow, I’m going to sleep like a baby tonight. Thanks for the free therapy.
“That you know of or that can be proven in court”. Wow. You’re part of the imaginary sex police that want to punish and defame people based on no proof whatsoever. Similar to Judge Kavanaugh, right? How did that work out for you idiots? Embarrassed forever, something like that, with a Supreme Court justice that will NEVER FORGET? Is that about how it went the last time you tried to smear an honorable judicial individual?
Here’s some place you should visit and like if you love America: https://m.facebook.com/JudgeRoyMoore/
I have seen several posters who desired to know your real identity, if it’s not that hard, why don’t you just expose yourself? Why use a fake name and fake profile? Feeling guilty much?
Did you see Roy Moore ride his horse up to his recent press event? Wow, what a man. He’s a big strapping brilliant judge, it’s no wonder that some people hate him. Remember Kavanaugh? That legacy will live forever. Can you imagine how he feels about the smear he got? How does Roy Moore feel, do you think? Do you think he would trample you with his horse? That would be a meme to remember, don’t you think?
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While it is clear that you are absent any morals whatsoever, most normal people do not see the Ten Commandments as a threat. I think this all came about at the behest of Muslim Extremists, who attack and kill Christians all over the world, and finance people like Omar to sit in Congress. Are you a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? You sound like a fanatical Muslim, why else would you attempt to attack the Ten Commandments? Are you wearing a dirty rag on your head?
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Not for nothin’, but bringing up Brett Kavanaugh as an “honorable judicial individual” while simultaneously reminding everyone of his potential bias against Democrats and their pet causes when he rules on cases involving them (“a Supreme Court justice that will NEVER FORGET”) kinda…well, no, it overtly makes you a hypocrite. “Honorable” judges tend not to harshly pre-judge a case based on possible political bias; you are saying Kavanaugh will (and implying he should) pre-judge any case involving Democrats or pet Democratic causes in a way that allows him to achieve some semblance of personal vengeance.
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A threat? No. But when a monument of the Ten Commandments is placed in a government building by order of a government official, and the monument itself is (at the least) placed in that building using taxpayer funds, and the expressed purpose of the monument is theistic instead of secular, it is absolutely an illegal breach of the separation between church and state. Moore was booted (the first time) because he refused to follow a court order in re: removing the monument and said he would refuse to follow any similar court orders in the future.
Roy Moore wanted to push his religious beliefs on everyone by establishing Judeo-Christianity (and his specific beliefs in particular) as a state-sponsored religion. He paid the appropriate price for his hubris.
Of the three plaintiffs in the (eventually successful) lawsuit against Moore, one was Roman Catholic and two were Southern Baptist.
Now there is a defamatory statement if ever I have seen one.
I do not “attack” the Ten Commandments, nor any specific interpretation thereof. (Besides, George Carlin already did it better than I ever could.) What I “attack” is the idea that a government official should be allowed to install a specifically religious monument with an expressly theistic purpose in a government building. That course of action delivers an implicit warning to those who do not follow the faith represented by that monument: ”You are not welcome here, and you will not be treated fairly here.” We separate church and state in an attempt to prevent such bias in government, including the legal system over which Roy Moore presided.
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I am saying that your tactics of smearing and justifying and playing word games to promote your cause is about to bring on a spectacular chain of events for you and many others.
You recall when Admiral Mike Rogers briefed Trump on the whole Russian hoax, and Trump immediately left Trump Towers? Remember that? Trump has been playing the long game, all along, and you idiot leftist liars have dug yourselves a hole you will never get out of. Did you read Judge Jeanine’s book? Do you see all the money the authors on Fox have been making? Everyone is getting rich of the attempted treason and torture by the left. Here’s what happens next: Tomoya Kawakita.
The American people have been tortured for the last two years by treasonous traitors, right out in public. Comey, Brennen, Clapper, profiting from their treasonous ways. They will be tried as traitors, and sentenced to death, by the American Public in the form of a 12 person jury. In the end, the won’t be put to death, but they will be banished from the US, never to return.
The next election will be a celebration of the return law and order, and the death of the traitorous movement first identified to Donald J. Trump by Admiral Mike Rogers. Everything in the last two years has been about establishing the evidence for the trial, when many will face charges of treason. Everything in the next two years will be about the process of prosecution.
And then PAETY TIME! American will return to politic mental health, the two political parties will again compromise on important issues, and America and Americans will be rightly proud of the housecleaning.
God Bless America. And God Bless Roy Moore. And his horse.
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But was I right about the dirty rag on your head? You arguments sound Muslim inspired, using the American system of justice and an anonymous Internet forum to attack American values, “Defeat your enemy from within”, the whole Jihadist calling, is that you? Unknown, unnamed, unidentified, random voice on the internet preaching to actual people (like Judge Roy Moore) about what is right and what is wrong? You want to be an arbiter of truth, but remain hidden behind a phony name. Weird.
I mean it’s one thing to stand up for your own opinion, but the combination of hiding together with your moral certainty makes you look dishonest, like many Muslim rag-head Jihadist assholes are. The Honorable Judge Roy Moore is a great American, and you are not. Obviously. Rag-head. That’s your new name. Rag-head Jihad Stephen.
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Nope. Agnostic atheist who believes in the separation of church and state. If God exists, she can come down here and get involved with the government herself; we do not need people doing that for her.
…says the anonymous poster who expresses his own moral certainty. Might wanna check on the state of your glass house, given how you are trying to throw me through it.
If he is so “honorable” and “great”, how come he got booted (twice!) from his position as a judge?
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If you sincerely believe even one word of that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might want to buy.
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Because he stood up for his beliefs in the face of godless soulless mentaly defective assholes like you.
God Bless Roy Moore. And his horse. His wife, too. And his dog.
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Watch and learn.
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Bold of you to rebrand his trying to force his religious beliefs upon others by abusing his position within the government as “standing up for his beliefs”, but go off, I guess.
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Supporting the display of the Ten Commandments is not abuse. Three out of four people in the US are Christian and already familiar with the Ten Commandments.
One percent are Muslim, like you, Rag-Head Jihad Stephen.
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I am saying that your tactics of smearing and justifying and playing word games to promote your cause is about to bring on a spectacular chain of events for you and many others.
Yeah, Shiva's strategy really paid off for him going against Warren, didn't it?
Oh, right. Except for the part where it didn't. Nice going!
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In a corrupt nation, that broad brush paints literally everyone.
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I am unfamilar with how (a) the traitorous plot against POTUS is related to (b) The Email Guy running for office. No one else is familiar with it, either. Are you legally mentally disabled?
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You…kinda just made my point about how a monument to Christian theology placed inside a government building would send a hostile message towards people of minority faiths (and people of no faith). So hey, thanks for that! 👍
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The funny thing is, if Hillary had won the Electoral College instead of the popular vote, you would probably be begging on your hands and knees for the government to investigate her as it has been investigating (and will continute to investigate) Trump and his cronies. And I can all but guarantee you would never once call it a “traitorous plot”, since you have made clear that you believe a plot can only be “traitorous” when it goes against government officials you personally like.
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Or when it breaks a bunch of laws. That could be a clue. No kidding. Ask General Barr. He’ll tell you, and soon.
Admit your Musluminity, Reg-Head Jihad Stephen.
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Just as soon as you admit you either are, or post on behalf of, Shiva Ayyadurai.
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You know what you can do with your minority? You can tell them to respect the majority. How about that?
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OK, you got me, I am Shiva. I have always been Shiva. I will always be Shiva. Even more than the actual Shiva. I identify as Shiva. That should be enough, right? Right, idiot boy?
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Respect is earned. No one who disrespects a religious minority for being a religious minority has earned mine.
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Your rhetorical gimmick will not work on me, and you can confirm your identity with a photo of you holding up a sign with the current date and time. Until then: Enjoy stewing in your own anger and frustration, “Hamilton”.
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And this is the world’s tiniest violen, right here between my fingers, playing a sad song on behalf of your bleeding heart. No respect from you. That’s a badge of honor. I’m an American, and you are a proponent of victimhood. You suck, and I am a winner. You are a loser from the word go. You want me to cry for you, loser? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. And God Bless Roy Moore. And his horse.
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…you fuck horses?
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I read you above ranting and noted there is no mention of the Separation of Church and State. This is a well established precedent within our judicial system.
Is this something you disagree with? Should everyone be forced to attend the same church? Should everyone be forced to tithe? Why is it that some are willing to look the other way when it is "their guy"? All the while shouting about law 'n order.
Funny how you were previously complaining about how uncivil people are.
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Please tell us what you think constitutes traitor.
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"I am an American, with direct lineage to the Mayflower, the Constitution, and the American Revolution."
... and we have been having problems with immigrants ever since we came to this country!
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First step is admitting the problem bro.
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“I am an American, with direct lineage to the Mayflower, the Constitution, and the American Revolution.”
No bro, you’re just an idiot with a massive inferiority complex and delusions of grandeur.
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Well, he admitted that he was Shiva, so he's already got that part down...
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I don't know how they're related either. But you're the one who brought it up at the very first post of this thread:
I think it’s great that you have moved from defaming the Email guy
So you only have yourself to blame for that, Hamilton.
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indeed, very special, as would be expected from a family tree that has no branches...
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The resident troll is a [redacted] nuisance, determined to derail the comments. But it's almost worth it for the quality of Stephen T. Stone's neat take-downs!
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Considering Hamilton that's probably the most flattering thing about him we know...
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The Last Word
“Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Betsy DeVos, Kristjen Nielsen, Steve Bannon, Brett Kavanaugh, Sean Hannity, Kim Jong-Un, Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan…do I need to list more to prove the point?