from the and-mark-lutz-has-disappeared dept
Lawyer Nancy Sims attended the latest Prenda hearing today in Minnesota and agreed to let us post her recap of what happened in the courtroom. We'll have a more complete analysis of what happened later. For now, this is a "just the facts" coverage of the events of the day.
I attended the hearing today in what the presiding judge, Magistrate
Judge Franklin Noel, characterized as “several iterations of” AF
Holdings LLC v. Doe (case nos. 12-1445 – 12-1449). The cases at hand
have all previously settled and been dismissed, but the court
determined it has the inherent authority to investigate whether it has
been the victim of a fraud.
The
order
for the hearing limited the discussion to whether the copyright
assignment agreements for two films, "Popular Demand" and "Sexual
Obsession," attached as exhibits in the various AF Holdings v. Doe
cases, are authentic. The discussion during the hearing ranged a bit
further afield.
These are my own impressions of what happened, but I don't guarantee
their accuracy -- I'm not a court reporter, and I'm not fully up on the
details of all the Prenda/AF Holdings/etc cases. And I couldn't always
hear everything. I've tried to be fairly objective in reporting what I
saw and heard, but to own up to my biases, I am an attorney whose
interest in copyright sits solidly on the public interest side. I
don't represent or have any interests with respect to any of the folks
present in court today, to the best of my knowledge. (How's that for
lawyer-talk.)
Individuals present in the courtroom today included:
- Paul Hansmeier, lead attorney for plaintiff AF Holdings, LLC
- John Steele, formerly a legal partner of Mr. Hansmeier
- Brent Berry, northern MN real estate lawyer
- Jason Flesher, northern MN resident
- Alan Cooper, who alleges his signature was forged on documents related
to AF Holdings
- Paul Godfread, attorney for Mr. Cooper
And some audience members.
John Steele Takes The Stand
Mr. Hansmeier began the day by calling his first witness, Steele, and
displaying to him on a document viewer the copyright assignment for
"Sexual Obsession." Mr. Steele authenticated the assignor's signature
as that of Ray Rogers, based on familiarity with Mr. Rogers signature
from several instances of business, etc. Mr. Steele also testified
that he believed the use of Mr. Cooper's signature on this document
was authorized, because Steele introduced Cooper to the
owner/controlling member of AF Holdings.
At this point, and at a couple of later points, the judge asked what
exhibit number the documents were that Hansmeier was displaying (since
the document viewers don't produce an ongoing copy.) Hansmeier
apparently didn't intend to offer the documents into evidence, but the
court later entered the copyright assignments in question (originally
filed as exhibits in cases 12-1445 - 1449) as exhibits 1 and 2 for
this hearing.
Hansmeier elicited lengthy testimony from Steele as to his knowledge
of Cooper's involvement with AF Holdings, his involvement with helping
Cooper to form a company (VPR, Inc) to market adult content, and about
the nature of Steele and Cooper's relationship over the years. The
overview of this testimony is that Cooper was recommended to Steele in
2006 or so as a possible caretaker for his cabin in northern MN, that
Cooper lived there subsequently rent-free in exchange for a limited
amount of work around the property, that subsequent to Steele's
divorce they had hung out more, and that they had been "very good
friends by 2010." Steele also testified that he had helped Cooper set
up VPR, Inc, that Steele had introduced Cooper to Mark Lutz, and heard
Cooper's end of phone calls with Lutz on at least two occasions, and
that Cooper had gotten "a kick" out of being associated with the adult
industry, and repeatedly joked with friends and others about coming to
work for him in his porn company, at least as early as 2011.
Steele testified that he had closed his law firm, Steele Hansmeier,
over a short period starting in November 2011, because "I was quite
frankly surprised with the vitriol and nastiness of the pirates we
were pursuing." He mentioned a blog post that showed pictures of his
house and small child, and included violent threats against the
family. Steele appeared visibly upset during this part of his
testimony. Steele continued his testimony to affirm that after closing
the lawfirm, he decided to sell his cabin in July of 2012. At this
point, the Judge himself intervened to ask what the point of this
testimony was; Mr. Hansmeier said it was directed towards motive.
Steele then testified that Mr. Cooper had been angry and hostile once
he knew the sale was going forward, and that Cooper had taken items
from the property, caused property damage, and attacked or threatened
people who came on the property. The judge again intervened, to direct
the discussion toward an end point; Mr. Hansmeier then asked Steele
about his knowledge of rumors, started by Mr. Cooper, that Steele had
molested Cooper's daughter.
Things then got refocused on the topic of the hearing. The copyright
assignment for "Popular Demand" was shown to Steele, and he again
authenticated Ray Rogers's signature for the assignor, and stated that
Steele himself had used this document to file registration documents
with the Copyright Office. Then, focusing on the other signature,
Steele testified that he did not know if Cooper had signed the
documents himself, but spoke to his "understanding" that Cooper had
authorized Lutz and his people to sign documents like this on his
behalf.
Judge Noel then directed several questions to Steele about the
documents in question, and Steele's understanding that Cooper had
authorized Lutz to sign on his behalf. Judge Noel elicited that this
was based on hearing Cooper's half of two phone conversations with
Lutz. Noel also elicited that Steele does not actually know if Cooper
signed those documents, but that as far as Steele knew, Cooper had had
a position as a "helper" for AF Holdings. Steele testified that he did
not know if Cooper was employed by AF -- because Steele himself had no
involvement with AF, other than them having been very briefly clients
of the Steele Hansmeier firm. Finally, Noel questioned Steele as to
whether he knew who signed the Cooper name on either of the exhibits,
and Steele testified that he did not.
Jason Flesher's testimony
Hansmeier called Jason Flesher to the stand, who testified that he had
known both Steele and Cooper for 4-5 years. Hansmeier began
questioning Flesher about the nature of Steele and Cooper's
relationship, but the judge redirected him, and he then focused his
questioning on Flesher's knowledge of Cooper's involvement in AF
holdings. Flesher testified that Cooper's partner, Charity (last name
not ever clearly established) had talked with him about her concern
over Cooper's adult industry involvement on cabin visits as early as
2011, but that he did not know anything further about Cooper's
invovlement in signing documents, or details of his involvements with
any companies. The judge briefly questioned Flesher about his
knowledge of the copyright assignment documents (none) or familiarity
with Cooper's signature (none), and Flesher was dismissed.
Brent Berry's testimony
Hansmeier called Brent Berry to the stand, and began questioning him
about the nature of Cooper and Steele's relationship, Cooper's
behavior after Steele decided to sell the house, and so on. The judge
intervened to focus again on the documents, eliciting that Berry had
seen Cooper's signature before, but wouldn't recognize it on sight,
and did not know if the signature on the documents was Cooper's.
Alan Cooper takes the stand
Hansmeier then called Cooper to the stand. Hansmeier's questions posed
to Cooper were often spoken quite quickly, so in a number of
instances, Cooper had to ask them to be restated. Cooper also fairly
frequently didn't respond directly to the questions, so this part of
the recap is a bit more out of order.
Hansmeier's initial line of questioning focused on Cooper's claim that
other AF Holdings documents had included forgeries. Cooper wasn't
quite sure why he was being questioned about other people's
signatures; "I'm concerned about
my signature." Finally, the judge
directed some specific questions about Cooper's knowledge about
specific signatures related to the case, and Cooper responded that he
did not have any specific evidence about forgeries of signatures for
Mooney, Webber, or Salt Marsh. Godfread objected that this seemed to
be litigating the motion pending in October, and this was sustained.
Hansmeier began a new line of questioning, about Cooper's testimony in
other courts as to his involvement with AF Holdings. Cooper
acknowledged that he became aware that his signature was being used
related to AF Holdings in late 2012. Cooper stated that Steele had
told him at an earlier date that if anyone asked any questions, they
were to be directed to Steele. Hansmeier cut off Cooper's testimony on
that point, and kept questioning him about other members of his
community who might have made him aware of his involvement at an
earlier date. Cooper testified that his father-in-law (an ex
law-enforcement officer) had told him he needed to find out
why
Steele was telling him to forward any questions.
After this, Hansmeier's questions shifted direction repeatedly. He
raised several points apparently intended to discredit Cooper: about
being paid for testimony (Cooper denied he is), having expenses
covered for his trip to an LA hearing (Cooper affirmed flight and one night
hotel were covered by EFF), lost jobs (Cooper denied), mental health
diagnoses and medications (also denied), and whether Cooper had ever
signed anything on behalf of Steele (some unclear discussion about DMV
registrations.)
There was a confusing line of questioning about why Cooper thinks he's
being held out as CEO of AF Holdings. Cooper tried to look something
up on his phone (and was directed by the judge to stop). Cooper
basically insisted that he wasn't the CEO of AF Holdings, and the
judge eventually said that whatever was on the documents in evidence
would have to be good enough. Hansmeier worked hard to get Cooper to
testify "who told you that your name was being held out as CEO of AF
Holdings" but Cooper just didn't remember, and focused on his concerns
about his signature being misused.
Another line of questioning focused on how Cooper had retained
Godfread, and a text message he had received, which was his first
alert as to his name being used in association with AF Holdings.
Cooper testified that the text had come from a Kim Eckenrode, who is John Steele's mother-in-law. Cooper also
testified that he had been referred to Godfread via an attorney whose
number Eckenrode had texted to him.
Cooper denied any specific memory of March 18, 2011 (which I believe
is the date Steele testified he introduced Cooper to Lutz by phone.)
Finally, Hansmeier asked Cooper why he believed Steele owned Prenda
Law; Cooper said Steele told him that, but that he had never seen any
documents to that effect.
The judge then questioned Cooper, establishing that he had no
familiarity with AF Holdings prior to the text from Eckenrode, that
Cooper had never worked for AF Holdings or AF Films (Steele had
previously testified that he thought any mentions of AF Films were
typos), that he'd never signed any documents on behalf of AF Holdings
or Films, that the signatures on the copyright assignments in question
are not his and that he does not know who signed them, that he did not
authorize anyone to sign his name, and that he did not know these
documents were being submitted to a court "with what purports to be
your signature."
Godfread then questioned his client; Cooper denied Steele approaching
him in 2010 about getting involved in the porn industry. He also
stated that he did not know about VPR, Inc before last year, nor had
he agreed to be an officer or have any other position with that group,
nor to authorize use of his signature for that venture. Cooper stated
that he had never met Lutz, nor talked to Lutz on the phone, nor ever
indirectly told someone to talk to Lutz on his behalf. Cooper said
that he did not authorize use of his signature on any documents
related to AF Holdings or AF Films.
Godfread introduced a copy of the text from Eckenrode, including an
attached image of Cooper's purported signature on a document. There
was some discussion about the admissibility of this copy of the text,
including questioning from the judge about how Godfread had gotten the
text to the page (emailed to himself). It was entered in the record as
Exhibit 3, "with all caveats about what it purports to be." Godfread
questioned Cooper basically as to whether the printout of the text was
what Cooper had received from Eckenrode. The judge asked briefly if
Cooper had ever received any money from AF Holdings or VPR, or been
employed by AF (no to all.)
Hansmeier then questioned Cooper (or tried to) about Hansmeier's own
previous conversations with Cooper. Cooper expressed confusion about
whether he'd met Paul Hansmeier or his brother Peter, and maintained
that whichever brother had visited the cabin, Cooper had not been
around much or talked much with him. Hansmeier brought up that he had
stayed in Cooper's own cabin, but Cooper said he'd stayed away during
that visit because "I didn't want to deal with you". Hansmeier,
apparently taken somewhat aback, said "I didn't know that," and
allowed that line of questioning to drop.
Hansmeier tried to call Godfread to the stand, and Godfread objected.
The judge conferred with his clerk for a bit, and questioned Hansmeier as
to his intent in questioning Godfread (to establish whether AF
Holdings had any knowledge of Cooper's concerns prior to filing the
copyright assignments with courts). Godfread reiterated no knowledge
on those points. After a bit more conferring, Judge Noel directed the
attorneys to Shelton v. American Motors, 805 F 2d 1323 as on point,
and said they'd reconvene on that point after lunch.
Before lunch, Hansmeier brought Steele back to the stand to address
the text message (over Godfread's objections as to Steele's lack of
direct knowledge of the conversation.) Steele testified that his
mother-in-law is very religious and was very concerned over his
involvement with the adult industry, and had been active on Die Troll
Die and other sites. He testified that he has no interest in Prenda
Law, but that she had gotten over excited about "random guesswork from
internet pirates." Hansmeier also questioned Steele as to whether
Cooper has any other litigation pending against Steele -- he does, but
Steele said "it defies logic" that an attorney would forge a signature
when he could get anyone in the world to sign a document.
The judge questioned Steele about the text message, eliciting that he
doesn't know whether it was sent by his mother-in-law, but that it was
consistent with the tone of "anonymous pirates on the internet." He
mentioned something about the Secretary of State of Illinois, and
Judge Noel followed up to ask about that; Steele testified that the
Secretary of State website would show that Prenda was created by Paul
Duffy. There was some additional questioning about St Kitts and Nevis,
and AF Holdings and Prenda, and that a lot of people incorporate
there.
Where's Mark Lutz?
We broke just before noon, to reconvene after lunch on the point of
whether Godfread would testify. When we reconvened, Hansmeier, having
read the case the judge suggested, recalled his request to have
Godfread testify. And then things got
really interesting.
Judge Noel referred to his order for this hearing including an order
for Cooper to appear in person, and for an officer of the plaintiff
"capable of testifying as to the authenticity" of the documents to
also appear. He reviewed the witnesses who had appeared, and noted
that we'd heard nothing from AF Holdings -- though he mentioned that he
was "not sure what Steele's role" was in all this other than being a
former partner of Hansmeier... "So," he said, "Where's AF Holdings?"
Hansmeier said that Lutz was planning to come, and is the sole officer
of AF Holdings, and did make it to an earlier conference in this case
in person, but that he wasn't present today, and that Mr. Hansmeier
hadn't been able to reach him by phone or email. He voluntarily
elaborated that Steele and Lutz had been booked on the same flight
from Miami, that Steele had gone to Lutz's apartment to meet him
(because Steele had Lutz's boarding pass), but found him not home.
Steele had then, according to Hansmeier, driven around Miami looking
for Lutz, and even encountered some of Lutz's friends who said Lutz
had told them the night before that he had to make an early night of
it because he was traveling to this court in the morning. Hansmeier
offered the boarding pass as proof that Lutz had intended to come.
(Steele was not present in the courtroom after lunch.)
Godfread suggested that Lutz has repeatedly failed to appear at
evidentiary hearings related to AF Holdings cases. Hansmeier responded
by stating that Lutz hadn't been able to attend one hearing because
he'd been detained by "federal agents" in an airport (the court
requested clarification on this point, but all Hansmeier had was that;
he stated that Lutz had asked to file further details of that
detention, in that case, under seal because the detention was
embarrassing.) Hansmeier finally stated that Lutz
has appeared,
before Judge Snow in Arizona, on closely related points.
Judge Noel took this all in, gave parties until close of business
tomorrow to file all declarations, and said he'd issue an order "in
due course." The court recessed just about ten minutes after convening
for the afternoon.
Filed Under: alan cooper, brent berry, forgery, franklin noel, john steele, mark lutz, paul godfread, paul hansmeier, signature
Companies: af holdings, prenda, prenda law