Yes, there is a lot to read. But the net is full of TL;DR opinions. It is my opinion that that it is important to read the entire site No, it is not mine, nor do I have any affiliation with ther than reading it, and making the occasional donation.
Clean, honest and accurate voting is key to the survival of a democratic republic. An understanding of just what is happening is vital to the preservation of our form of government. And that can only be gained through slogging through the history.
Fifty years ago I didn't have the time (or the willingnes to accept the 1.2% risk of death) as I was forced to take a step forward and accept a two year induction to an absolutely meaningless war that served no purpose other than to kill almost 60,000 Americans and severely damage another 600-900,000. This was to no purpose. Never mind the deaths of two million or so Vietnamese. It also cost me the graduate school and studies of my choice. This was painful to me. yet others suffered so much incredibly more. This was for one of the most ridiculous wars under the face of the sun.
Yet Americans, when asked to read the history of how their voting rights were stolen, have little to say other than TL;DR
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Thank you for your rational comment.
May I also add that applies to State, Municipal and local elections as well.
It is probably a reasonable assumption that most who read and comment on Techdirt are above average in education, intelligence and perception of the world around them.
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Just in case you haven't noticed, this is not a debate. Further, in debates, refutation is the primary mechanism for winning.
I am not interested in a debate, but rather trying to provide information. To provide a single court decision, or a single quote is meaningless on the net. It is the closest we have come to the "million monkeys" meme.
Perhaps I have an advantage in that I was not taught things so much, as how to find things. With the net you have the ability to look up a practically unending stream of information. Further one has the ability to follow threads of interest that lead to information previously unknown.
A reference to an extremely obscure subject that is not search-able MIGHT call for a URL. for example: "When did Dr Smith remediate the error in the computation of the relaxation time of a loaded sphere?"
But for topics that are abundant, multiple searches are both educating and mandatory for determining truth (or as close to it as we are likely to get.)
Perhaps you read "some political daily," and believe every word in it. But especially for those topics that appear to suffer from prevarication, I will read not only those articles that are aligned with my political thought, but also those opposed. If appropriate I will read multiple foreign papers as well.
Spoon fed information is rather meaningless. Especially in this day and age when alternate views are so easily obtained.
Your favorite hobby must be putting words in other peoples mouths.
I never claimed that this election was decided for any candidate by rigged voting. My issue is computerized voting. It is impossible to to have any assurance that the vote is valid. That the vote is private. "Voting" is now nothing more than an anodyne that provides an appearance of a democratic republic.
Yes, there were problems with the old mechanical machines. A favorite tactic was to "vote" in the oppositions territory, hold down a candidates lever, and pull the main sweep lever. That would disable the machine and make the lines even longer. But that was small potatoes.
One thing that I find truly amusing is that those who are reputedly on the left call me a rightist. Those on the right call me a leftist. My belief is that we need honest elections, and the electorate will have to live with their choice for four years.
Left and right are no more than pejoratives to be thrown about meaninglessly. Anyone who proudly declares themselves to be completely aligned with the platform of one party or the other is incapable of thought, and merely a dog on a leash.
We know that the US government can not control the security of their computers because they have admitted it. At least 21 million individuals (I was one of them) had their dossiers, job applications, security checks and so on stolen by someone. Today it was admitted that about 130,000 sailors on active duty had their data stolen by someone. Many others inbetween these two incidents.
How can anyone believe that a soda pop can of a voting computer is not hacked?
Is that proof? No. Does it demonstrate an incredibly high probability of occurrence? Yes.
If you want as much proof as you can get over the 'net, try
E-Voting machines have been demonstrably hacked in front of those who were responsible for purchasing them, and the purchasing agents went ahead and bought them anyway.
Has everyone forgotten the video of Baxter the Chimp which showed him reversing cast votes from within the voting booth?
E-Voting machines are the most Stalinesque votoing device devised by man. And are taken advantage of by at least both major parties. This has been testified to under oath, but nobody seems to care. One of the worst cases of denial I have ever encountered.
There has not been any expectation of a reasonably honest election since computers were introduced into the voting process. There will never be again. I am quite fond of the beasts, own many, and spend my days and nights working with them.
But there is no way to keep a computer from being hacked. Methods have become so sophisticated that a computer which has never been connected to a communication line, has never been subject to sneaker net, had no wifi or other rf contact with another computer, except for an initial load of required software, can still be hacked. Through the air you say -- yes, through the air. And there is not just one technique to accomplish this, but several. Do a search on "air gap hack" if you don't believe me.
As much as I despise Obama, Hillary and most other presidents and wannabes, in 19th and 20th Century. A thing like Trump is not the answer to our tremendously serious problems. He will exacerbate them severely, unless of course he obliterates the surface of the earth.
I fee sorry for you. Your perceptions are so unalterably mono-thematic that your internal existence can no broader than Angrstom units. It appears to be incapable of enrichment of any sort lest it shred into its component pieces.
Hillary is dusgusting. Trump is disgusting. Your existence just teetered on the edge of a knifeblade to see which way you would fall.
We know that Snowden is reputed to have committed espionage. Since it is under seal, who knows what really happened? People are taking sides on an issue they know nothing about. Merely wild claims.
Wouldn't be the first time that the government has knowingly violated its own laws in selecting a victim for harassment, destruction of career, false imprisonment, and assistance in committing "suicide."
Or have you all forgotten wars for personal gain, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and innumerable other instances?
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Pence may be another bucket of slime, but I suspect that he knows his limitations better than Trump, who seems to have none.
It appears that he has already met with business partners shortly after the election. Other presidents have used blind trusts -- how blind are Trumps children?
Mr. Trump has no right to bully the members of this nation. As president-elect, and president to be, he must maintain equanimity in discourse. A trait he has yet to exhibit. A fairness to all -- a concept where I find little understanding on his part.
He is not 6 years old, but reputedly an adult. The presidency is not a kingship in which petty spites are to be indulged at whim.
The man has two months to grow up, but I don't think he will make it.
He may have a certain amount of immunity during his presidency, but should he live through that period it is unlikely he will spend a day out of court.
Perhaps no one should be pardoned until they have been tried, convicted, served a meaningful length of their sentence, and show true remorse. I don't recall Nixon doing any of those things.
"Truth" comes out of Trumps belly like gas. An eruption signifying nothing but an desired increase in heat in the room. The only problem for the true observer, is quantifying the nature of the explosion. Is it random, or rather chaotic?
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Clean, honest and accurate voting is key to the survival of a democratic republic. An understanding of just what is happening is vital to the preservation of our form of government. And that can only be gained through slogging through the history.
Fifty years ago I didn't have the time (or the willingnes to accept the 1.2% risk of death) as I was forced to take a step forward and accept a two year induction to an absolutely meaningless war that served no purpose other than to kill almost 60,000 Americans and severely damage another 600-900,000. This was to no purpose. Never mind the deaths of two million or so Vietnamese. It also cost me the graduate school and studies of my choice. This was painful to me. yet others suffered so much incredibly more. This was for one of the most ridiculous wars under the face of the sun.
Yet Americans, when asked to read the history of how their voting rights were stolen, have little to say other than TL;DR
On the post: After All That, E-Voting Experts Suggest Voting Machines May Have Been Hacked For Trump
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If the EFF ever needed to put "Broken by Design" stickers on something...
Thank you for your rational comment.
May I also add that applies to State, Municipal and local elections as well.
It is probably a reasonable assumption that most who read and comment on Techdirt are above average in education, intelligence and perception of the world around them.
This scares the hell out of me.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If the EFF ever needed to put "Broken by Design" stickers on something...
Just in case you haven't noticed, this is not a debate. Further, in debates, refutation is the primary mechanism for winning.
I am not interested in a debate, but rather trying to provide information. To provide a single court decision, or a single quote is meaningless on the net. It is the closest we have come to the "million monkeys" meme.
Perhaps I have an advantage in that I was not taught things so much, as how to find things. With the net you have the ability to look up a practically unending stream of information. Further one has the ability to follow threads of interest that lead to information previously unknown.
A reference to an extremely obscure subject that is not search-able MIGHT call for a URL. for example: "When did Dr Smith remediate the error in the computation of the relaxation time of a loaded sphere?"
But for topics that are abundant, multiple searches are both educating and mandatory for determining truth (or as close to it as we are likely to get.)
Perhaps you read "some political daily," and believe every word in it. But especially for those topics that appear to suffer from prevarication, I will read not only those articles that are aligned with my political thought, but also those opposed. If appropriate I will read multiple foreign papers as well.
Spoon fed information is rather meaningless. Especially in this day and age when alternate views are so easily obtained.
On the post: After All That, E-Voting Experts Suggest Voting Machines May Have Been Hacked For Trump
I never claimed that this election was decided for any candidate by rigged voting. My issue is computerized voting. It is impossible to to have any assurance that the vote is valid. That the vote is private. "Voting" is now nothing more than an anodyne that provides an appearance of a democratic republic.
Yes, there were problems with the old mechanical machines. A favorite tactic was to "vote" in the oppositions territory, hold down a candidates lever, and pull the main sweep lever. That would disable the machine and make the lines even longer. But that was small potatoes.
One thing that I find truly amusing is that those who are reputedly on the left call me a rightist. Those on the right call me a leftist. My belief is that we need honest elections, and the electorate will have to live with their choice for four years.
Left and right are no more than pejoratives to be thrown about meaninglessly. Anyone who proudly declares themselves to be completely aligned with the platform of one party or the other is incapable of thought, and merely a dog on a leash.
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Re: Needs proof
We know that the US government can not control the security of their computers because they have admitted it. At least 21 million individuals (I was one of them) had their dossiers, job applications, security checks and so on stolen by someone. Today it was admitted that about 130,000 sailors on active duty had their data stolen by someone. Many others inbetween these two incidents.
How can anyone believe that a soda pop can of a voting computer is not hacked?
Is that proof? No. Does it demonstrate an incredibly high probability of occurrence? Yes.
If you want as much proof as you can get over the 'net, try
BlackBoxVoting.org.
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Re: Enough
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At least a portion of the FBI has a belief it will find top level agents and terrorists communicating through twitter and the like.
The two groups are intellectually congruent.
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Has everyone forgotten the video of Baxter the Chimp which showed him reversing cast votes from within the voting booth?
E-Voting machines are the most Stalinesque votoing device devised by man. And are taken advantage of by at least both major parties. This has been testified to under oath, but nobody seems to care. One of the worst cases of denial I have ever encountered.
On the post: Alex Halderman Clarifies: Not Sure If Election Was Hacked, But, Uh, Shouldn't Someone Be Checking To Make Sure?
Elections no longer exist in the US
But there is no way to keep a computer from being hacked. Methods have become so sophisticated that a computer which has never been connected to a communication line, has never been subject to sneaker net, had no wifi or other rf contact with another computer, except for an initial load of required software, can still be hacked. Through the air you say -- yes, through the air. And there is not just one technique to accomplish this, but several. Do a search on "air gap hack" if you don't believe me.
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Hillary is dusgusting. Trump is disgusting. Your existence just teetered on the edge of a knifeblade to see which way you would fall.
On the post: President Obama Claims He Cannot Pardon Snowden; He's Wrong
Just what did Snowden do?
We know that Snowden is reputed to have committed espionage. Since it is under seal, who knows what really happened? People are taking sides on an issue they know nothing about. Merely wild claims.
Wouldn't be the first time that the government has knowingly violated its own laws in selecting a victim for harassment, destruction of career, false imprisonment, and assistance in committing "suicide."
Or have you all forgotten wars for personal gain, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and innumerable other instances?
On the post: Trump's Picks For AG & CIA Happy To Undermine Civil Liberties, Increase Surveillance
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It appears that he has already met with business partners shortly after the election. Other presidents have used blind trusts -- how blind are Trumps children?
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The chilling of lawful speech
He is not 6 years old, but reputedly an adult. The presidency is not a kingship in which petty spites are to be indulged at whim.
The man has two months to grow up, but I don't think he will make it.
He may have a certain amount of immunity during his presidency, but should he live through that period it is unlikely he will spend a day out of court.
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Re: He will get 4 years to see if he has a clue
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But then I guess some are terrified of being reminded of what they have said.
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