Most countries have compulsory 3rd party insurance for cars - and it is enforced with teeth. (In the UK - no insurance - take your car away and crush it)
Re: Re: Re: Human drivers outnumber autonomous by, say, 10,000 to 1...
So if the software is giving pedestrian detection a lower priority away from crosswalks, it needs to stop doing that
Actually it should NEVER give pedestrian detection a lower priority.
The problem, as I know from bitter experience, is that with hindsight it is always possible to see how the system could have been coded in such a way as to avoid a particular incident - but then when you do that something else breaks....
Re: Re: Human drivers outnumber autonomous by, say, 10,000 to 1...
I'd rather have autonomous cars all around. Their failure rates will be much lower than humans, that's guaranteed.
In the end game maybe - but we are not there yet. In the meantime the hubris of Google, Uber etc is driving the technology in exactly the wrong direction.
At present the idea is that the car drives autonomously and teh human supervises it in case anything goes wrong. This is giving the human an absolutely terrible job. Zero interest, huge responsibility and total attention required. It isn't surprising that in the latest incident the human driver didn't effectively intervene.
If we want to go to self driving cars then the correct route (for now, whilst a human is still involved) is for the computer to monitor the human driver, not the other way around.
It's much less sexy for the computer but much better for the human driver. In fact the current situation is just repeating the history of autopilot systems - which have now been revised to be much more "computer monitoring human" than the other way around.
I'm afraid that Google, Uber etc are basically doing a publicity stunt with an immature technology at present - whereas with proper application of the technology we could save many lives every year.
If the technology for "monitoring the human" was pushed ahead it would provide hard evidence of the safety value of the computer. At that point we could move to a "computer monitoring computer" system with the "safety" computer beign a proven system. aspect
Tim 's assessment that this is all about "anti-Muslim hate" may be a highly biased view that barely scratches the surface of a lengthy conflict
The Myanmar Military ran a pretty oppressive regime for many years - I remember that the Buddhist monks were famous for setting fire to themselves in protest.
It seems strange - and not entirely believable - that these same monks should be urging the same military on to violence.
I don't recall any Buddhist texts that urge the faithful to make war on the unbelievers.
I can only conclude that the Buddhists believe that they actually have more to fear from their Muslim minority (although they were close to being a majority in the province where they live) than they ever did from the government.
The Puritans were only a tiny fraction of the peoples settling the New World, and even then were not all that puritan as they left England because they were far too worldly for the English Puritans,
If they were too worldly for the English puritans then they could just have become anglicans instead. No, the reality was that the ones who left wanted freedom to persecute - which is why the US is so intolerant in all directions.
because they don't seem to present as rosy a picture as you seem to be pushing.
But neither do they present the picture that you are pushing.
I visitied Russia in 1995 - pre-Putin - and again in 2013. The difference was obvious and most Russians believe that it was Putin who worked the change. You don't lose that kind of reputation overnight, Also, please bear in mind that most people don't pay as much attention to politics as you do and have a very inaccurate view of it.
The fact is that life in Russia today is still much freer for most people than it was in the Soviet era and much more prosperous than it was in the Yeltsin era.
The anti-Putin people are frankly an irrelevant fringe in Russia- no matter how much western politicians and media try to push them.
Putin's party dominates Russia in a similar way to the way the ANC dominates South Africa. Putin is no Nelson Mandela - but he isn't Jacob Zuma either.
Projects like Hamilton 68 have managed to use only a small fraction of the metadata to generate reliable, solid results.
Well Assange said
"Hamilton 68 doesn't track propaganda - it IS propaganda"
and I'm inclined to believe him.
The problem is this:
The internet companies primary objective is to make money - and they do it by serving targeted advertising.
That is a task where neither false positives nor false negatives matter much. We all know how internet advertising is always offering us things we just bought! The point is that it only has to be better than blanket advertising on TV. That is not hard!
The tasks the government wants them to perform are VERY different and much harder.
Re: Re: Re: Swap out the encryption for gun control .
Sigh Far too many people don't understand the purpose behind the 2nd amendment. It's not just so that people can have guns. It's so that if the government gets too bad, the people have the power to overthrow it.
Sigh
As if that was actually a practical proposition in the modern world.
Look at the places where people have changed their government (or tried to ) by taking up arms.
Syria, Somalia, Yemen etc etc,
Look at the places where change was achieved without armed insurrection - The old Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, South Africa.
Now not all of the latter places are perfect - but compared to the former....
Re: Re: Re: Swap out the encryption for gun control .
Pray that your family never has to face the wolf because sheepdogs are few are far between these days
Actually sheepdogs are much the same as wolves really - the only difference is that a sheepdog is controlled by a shepherd. An uncontrolled sheepdog is just as bad as a wolf - as the litany of killings by cops illustrates.
No, really. EVERYTHING in your post and links can be said with equal accuracy about Christianity, cherry-picking biblical quotes and extremists the same way.
First off I never actually mentioned Christianity - so for you to raise the issue is pure tu quoque fallacy.
Secondly it simply isn't true and repeating it every time the subject comes up won't make it true.
Find me the 32000+ "Christian Attacks" since 2001.
Did you actually read my second link? Your reply doesn't make any sense in relation to it.
You prefer the "white supremacist" label, or just "Nazi?"
Since you mentioned the Nazis - here is Hitler on the subject of Islam:
"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."
It seems that Hitler could tell the difference between Islam and Christianity - and preferred Islam!
As for white supremacists - well some of them are converting to Islam now - they rather like the Islamic attitude to race, women, and LGBT.
To describe Le Pen as "far right" is inaccurate. Her father was far right - but she actually expelled him from what was once his own party.
On many economic issues she is actually well to the left of Macron.32
The reality is that the old left/right labels don't work anymore. We should probably stop using them.
The Quebec City massacre last year was carried out by a big Marine Le Pen / Donald Trump fan who bought into their anti-immigrant / anti-Muslim propaganda.
The Quebec massacre is the regrettable but inevitable backlash from the 32000 plus fatal jihadist attacks that have happened this millenium, coupled with the way MSM media and establishment politicians have cluelessy whitewashed Islam from responsibility. Worldwide Jihad typically kills more people every single day than died in Quebec.
Trump and Le Pen get a lot of support simply because the mainstream keep bleating that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam but they are not in any way responsible for events like Quebec or Finchley.
Yes - but self driving cars only become really useful when they can operate without a human driver available.
These incidents represent, at minimum, a situation where the car would be stuck if there was no driver in the car - effectively equivalent to a breakdown.
One breakdown per year's driving doesn't look like an acceptable reliability record to me.
And he's claiming that automated vehicles aren't as safe as human drivers? Yeah, they seem safer.
Er no - that's not what the statistics show at all.
350,000 miles represents the average mileage of about 50 cars with human drivers.
I'm guessing that the 3680 fatalities represents rather more than 50 cars.
Also "California roads" are fairly untypical of the rest of the world in that it is a first world country with an infrastructure that has mostly been built for the car.
These companies need to test their vehicles in places where much of the road layout predates the motor car (eg Europe) and in places that don't have much road infrastructure at all (eg Africa, Asia Latin America.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broken Sarcasm meter
Most countries have compulsory 3rd party insurance for cars - and it is enforced with teeth. (In the UK - no insurance - take your car away and crush it)
Why not compulsory insurance for guns?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broken Sarcasm meter
Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings.
And after each one the rules were tightened and there were no more incidents of that type in that place.
Whereas in the US - after each incident, much handwringing and "never againing" ... aaaand it happens again ....
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Re: Re: Re: Human drivers outnumber autonomous by, say, 10,000 to 1...
So if the software is giving pedestrian detection a lower priority away from crosswalks, it needs to stop doing that
Actually it should NEVER give pedestrian detection a lower priority.
The problem, as I know from bitter experience, is that with hindsight it is always possible to see how the system could have been coded in such a way as to avoid a particular incident - but then when you do that something else breaks....
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Re: Re: Human drivers outnumber autonomous by, say, 10,000 to 1...
I'd rather have autonomous cars all around. Their failure rates will be much lower than humans, that's guaranteed.
In the end game maybe - but we are not there yet. In the meantime the hubris of Google, Uber etc is driving the technology in exactly the wrong direction.
At present the idea is that the car drives autonomously and teh human supervises it in case anything goes wrong. This is giving the human an absolutely terrible job. Zero interest, huge responsibility and total attention required. It isn't surprising that in the latest incident the human driver didn't effectively intervene.
If we want to go to self driving cars then the correct route (for now, whilst a human is still involved) is for the computer to monitor the human driver, not the other way around.
It's much less sexy for the computer but much better for the human driver. In fact the current situation is just repeating the history of autopilot systems - which have now been revised to be much more "computer monitoring human" than the other way around.
I'm afraid that Google, Uber etc are basically doing a publicity stunt with an immature technology at present - whereas with proper application of the technology we could save many lives every year.
If the technology for "monitoring the human" was pushed ahead it would provide hard evidence of the safety value of the computer. At that point we could move to a "computer monitoring computer" system with the "safety" computer beign a proven system. aspect
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Re: (un)civil war
Tim 's assessment that this is all about "anti-Muslim hate" may be a highly biased view that barely scratches the surface of a lengthy conflict
The Myanmar Military ran a pretty oppressive regime for many years - I remember that the Buddhist monks were famous for setting fire to themselves in protest.
It seems strange - and not entirely believable - that these same monks should be urging the same military on to violence.
I don't recall any Buddhist texts that urge the faithful to make war on the unbelievers.
I can only conclude that the Buddhists believe that they actually have more to fear from their Muslim minority (although they were close to being a majority in the province where they live) than they ever did from the government.
Maybe this video from 2012 contains some clues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=2g2DLk8sSdQ
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Re: Re: Re: America:
The Puritans were only a tiny fraction of the peoples settling the New World, and even then were not all that puritan as they left England because they were far too worldly for the English Puritans,
If they were too worldly for the English puritans then they could just have become anglicans instead. No, the reality was that the ones who left wanted freedom to persecute - which is why the US is so intolerant in all directions.
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Re: Reading helps too
because they don't seem to present as rosy a picture as you seem to be pushing.
But neither do they present the picture that you are pushing.
I visitied Russia in 1995 - pre-Putin - and again in 2013. The difference was obvious and most Russians believe that it was Putin who worked the change. You don't lose that kind of reputation overnight, Also, please bear in mind that most people don't pay as much attention to politics as you do and have a very inaccurate view of it.
The fact is that life in Russia today is still much freer for most people than it was in the Soviet era and much more prosperous than it was in the Yeltsin era.
The anti-Putin people are frankly an irrelevant fringe in Russia- no matter how much western politicians and media try to push them.
Putin's party dominates Russia in a similar way to the way the ANC dominates South Africa. Putin is no Nelson Mandela - but he isn't Jacob Zuma either.
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Re: There's actually an answer to this
Projects like Hamilton 68 have managed to use only a small fraction of the metadata to generate reliable, solid results.
Well Assange said
"Hamilton 68 doesn't track propaganda - it IS propaganda"
and I'm inclined to believe him.
The problem is this:
The internet companies primary objective is to make money - and they do it by serving targeted advertising.
That is a task where neither false positives nor false negatives matter much. We all know how internet advertising is always offering us things we just bought! The point is that it only has to be better than blanket advertising on TV. That is not hard!
The tasks the government wants them to perform are VERY different and much harder.
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Re: Re: Re: Swap out the encryption for gun control .
Sigh Far too many people don't understand the purpose behind the 2nd amendment. It's not just so that people can have guns. It's so that if the government gets too bad, the people have the power to overthrow it.
Sigh
As if that was actually a practical proposition in the modern world.
Look at the places where people have changed their government (or tried to ) by taking up arms.
Syria, Somalia, Yemen etc etc,
Look at the places where change was achieved without armed insurrection - The old Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, South Africa.
Now not all of the latter places are perfect - but compared to the former....
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Re: Re: Re: Yeah, I know you don't consider freedom to be anything
England lost.
But was morally in the right. What you "won" were the rights to:
1 Continue to oppress slaves.
2 Not have a decent public healthcare system.
3 Continue to kill yourselves with guns.
4 Buy proprietary drugs at exhorbitant prices.
Look over the border at Canada (what you would have been without the revolution) and ask yourselves "Was it REALLY worth it?"
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Re: Re: Re: Swap out the encryption for gun control .
Pray that your family never has to face the wolf because sheepdogs are few are far between these days
Actually sheepdogs are much the same as wolves really - the only difference is that a sheepdog is controlled by a shepherd. An uncontrolled sheepdog is just as bad as a wolf - as the litany of killings by cops illustrates.
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Re: Re: So defending yourself or your loved ones isn't constructive?
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Re: Re: Gain power by asking for the impossible
An FBI-only decryption key isn't just technically impossible; it's politically impossible.
Once it is technically impossible how does being politically impossible add any impossibility?
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Re: Techdirt demands US Gov't pay for crimes by drug dealers!
But EVERY time gov't goes after drug dealing, Techdirt regards gov't as automatically in the wrong.
You wouldn't say that if it was your property that had ben used.
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Re: Re: Re:
Lawyers are hired hands - they are hired to make the best possible argument for their client.
If a "bad assertion of law" is nonetheless the best available argument then, professionally, they are expected to make it.
Even bad people with bad cases are supposed to be able to have competent advocacy. That is how the law works.
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Re: Re: Re:
No, really. EVERYTHING in your post and links can be said with equal accuracy about Christianity, cherry-picking biblical quotes and extremists the same way.
First off I never actually mentioned Christianity - so for you to raise the issue is pure tu quoque fallacy.
Secondly it simply isn't true and repeating it every time the subject comes up won't make it true.
Find me the 32000+ "Christian Attacks" since 2001.
Did you actually read my second link? Your reply doesn't make any sense in relation to it.
You prefer the "white supremacist" label, or just "Nazi?"
Since you mentioned the Nazis - here is Hitler on the subject of Islam: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."
It seems that Hitler could tell the difference between Islam and Christianity - and preferred Islam!
As for white supremacists - well some of them are converting to Islam now - they rather like the Islamic attitude to race, women, and LGBT.
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Re:
To describe Le Pen as "far right" is inaccurate. Her father was far right - but she actually expelled him from what was once his own party.
On many economic issues she is actually well to the left of Macron.32
The reality is that the old left/right labels don't work anymore. We should probably stop using them.
The Quebec City massacre last year was carried out by a big Marine Le Pen / Donald Trump fan who bought into their anti-immigrant / anti-Muslim propaganda.
The Quebec massacre is the regrettable but inevitable backlash from the 32000 plus fatal jihadist attacks that have happened this millenium, coupled with the way MSM media and establishment politicians have cluelessy whitewashed Islam from responsibility. Worldwide Jihad typically kills more people every single day than died in Quebec.
See https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
There are some Islamic scholars who openly admit this - for example this one from Indonesia.
http://time.com/4930742/islam-terrorism-islamophobia-violence/
Trump and Le Pen get a lot of support simply because the mainstream keep bleating that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam but they are not in any way responsible for events like Quebec or Finchley.
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Re: Constitution Free Zones
So 100 miles from the border and 25 miles around airports. What percentage of the population has abrogated their rights by living in these areas?
If you were talking about the UK - then everyone.
Nowhere in the UK is more than 63 miles from the sea!
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Re: Re: human statistics?
These incidents represent, at minimum, a situation where the car would be stuck if there was no driver in the car - effectively equivalent to a breakdown.
One breakdown per year's driving doesn't look like an acceptable reliability record to me.
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Re:
And he's claiming that automated vehicles aren't as safe as human drivers? Yeah, they seem safer.
Er no - that's not what the statistics show at all.
350,000 miles represents the average mileage of about 50 cars with human drivers.
I'm guessing that the 3680 fatalities represents rather more than 50 cars.
Also "California roads" are fairly untypical of the rest of the world in that it is a first world country with an infrastructure that has mostly been built for the car.
These companies need to test their vehicles in places where much of the road layout predates the motor car (eg Europe) and in places that don't have much road infrastructure at all (eg Africa, Asia Latin America.
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