Or does the "metro" police refer not to the Metropolitan Police but actually the "British Transport Police" who are responsible for policing the London Underground System?
There are BILLIONS of dollars worth of property collectively owned by these oligarchs in the US and Italy and France and so on, and if there is a coordinated decision by NATO to act on this, they could lose it all in a day.
I wonder if this isn't all a plot by Putin to rid himself of a few more inconvenient Oligarchs....
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_I agree that they might not be the absolute number one danger, but there's not zero threat either._
Threat of what exactly?
Of course the real problem is that WE really are the number one threat to THEM.
The "west" has attacked Russia, essentially unprovoked, on at least four occasions in the last 200 years (Napoleon, Crimean war, WW1, WW2) - go back further in time and you get the Baltic Crusades etc.
In return Russia has never attacked/invaded the west except during the endgame of WW2, when they were attacked first.
Try looking at things from the Russian point of view for a change.
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_"Secondly we are not even remotely near that limit anyway."
I disagree. We don't have to use every resource to begin a cascade failure. And we could be well into a cascade failure and not know it. Large ecological systems have buffering capacity. We don't know at this point how deep we are into that buffer, if at all. But my guess is maybe 30% of this planets reserve capacity for sustaining our species is gone.
Of course that is just a WAG. (wild ass guess) like your declaration is. _
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
I don't care about seeing the original comments - but if you flag them he posts again - and people respond again and the whole comment section gets clogged.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
We could fix it too by not clicking the button - because it seems to have the opposite effect to that intended.
The report button was put in originally for genuine spam.
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Why is it that both sides still use Russia as a bogeyman - communism ended in 1991. Russia is no longer the champion of a competing worldview that is trying to take over. It is just a country and its ambitions now are limited to trying to get back it bit of what we grabbed from them when the Soviet Union fell.
Plenty of other countries in the world behave worse and are more of a threat to our way of life and yet "Russia" is always the bogeyman.
Re: Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
In any case, I'm NOT going elsewhere, you don't get a little walled garden
The line taken by Techdirt isn't always perfect - but those of us who want a rational discussion are dismayed when this kind of irrational nonsense is the major contrary voice.
Then the comments column fills up with "me too" type dismissal and everything else is buried.
Please can everyone just ignore these comments. Don't respond - don't even click the report button - it just gives him something to complain about.
(Me too in the Zantac rather than Harvey Weinstein sense of the words)
Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
No, FIRST you state exactly what right illegal immigrants have to invade MY country.
Re: Re: Re: if you're going to be one of those people
Whooops finger trouble
In IOW, everything; EVERYTHING can be measured in watts. Our food, our water, our air, our cozy air conditioned homes. All of those watts come from the sun, and there is only so much of it we can use without sustaining an unrecoverable ecological debt.
It is way more complicated than that.
Firstly - all of those watts don't have to come from the sun. Ever heard of nuclear energy?
Secondly we are not even remotely near that limit anyway.
Thirdly - whilst you make some good points about over consumption in developed countries (of which the US is the worst by a country mile), one thing that is worth noting is that assholes (as you put it) generally don't have lots of kids - so having more assholes tends to result in a lower population.
The native populations of most of the western world are now reproducing at below replacement rates and conventional wisdom says that the immigrants will do the same once established. Of course the conventional wisdom could be wrong on this point - but the consequences don't bear thinking about.
In IOW, everything; EVERYTHING can be measured in watts. Our food, our water, our air, our cozy air conditioned homes. All of those watts come from the sun, and there is only so much of it we can use without sustaining an unrecoverable ecological debt.
Specifically, ICE has been almost gleefully demonstrating how they are thuggish bullies who are eager to deport as many people as possible.
Same sort of thing happens in the UK - and I guess for the same reasons.
It goes like this:
People in the 1% who live in gated communities have a conscience about refugees from war-torn countries etc and push for more immigration from those countries.
People outside the 1% who actually have to live with the impact of 1) become upset about it - sometimes even justifiably.
Populist politicians capitalise on 2) and introduce "draconian" rules and "targets" for immigration.
Enforcement officials get assessed according to these "targets" and are pressed into enforcing them to the letter (with many unintended consequences).
Very soon no-one who has any common humanity wants to work in immigration enforcement.
The story outlined above happens.
It is important to note that everyone in this sequence is at fault in some way - not just the nasty people at the sharp end of it.
Whilst :
why you are so focused on destroying the lives of people who are almost certainly less well off and less privileged than you are, and who are seeking a better way of life.
seems like a reasonable, compassionate, position it is not a practical one becaue simply admitting anyone who seeks that better way of life would destroy it for everyone, including themselves.
There have to be restrictions, and those restrictions have to be enforced but somehow we need to find a way of attracting people with some humanity into the job, and allow them to bend the rules on occasion to cope with the most difficult cases.
In the meantime we need to address the root causes of these problems - to wit the vast inequalities in wealth between rich and poor countries - largely reinforced by the activities of major US corporations.
While the country was never one to embrace free and open speech and communication to the same degree as Western nations
Free speech in western nations is itself a fairly recent concept and the practical ability to take advantage of it is even newer. How much use was the first amendment if you were a slave in the American south?
Go back before the revolution and look at a broader span of history and you will find that there is actually little to choose between Russia and the West on this type of issue.
Now remember that communism was itself a western import (devised by Germans in the UK) and you will realise that Russia as such is no worse nor better than anywhere else and the type of knee jerk slur in the quote above is unnecessary and detracts from the objectivity of the story.
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Re: EECK! not "Metro"
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Re: "neither confirm nor deny"
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If wikipedia proved anything then the Russians would surely have targeted it to remove these references or make them innocuous.
The fact that they didn't bother suggests that they don't believe that anyone with any sense would use that argument!
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If this is about the politician
He is in the footsteps of of George Osborne
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7693241.stm
and Peter Mandelson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7690459.stm
The fact is that Deripaska seems to have entertained a large proportion of Europe's politicians at some time or other.
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Re: It wasn't meant to be a bombshell
There are BILLIONS of dollars worth of property collectively owned by these oligarchs in the US and Italy and France and so on, and if there is a coordinated decision by NATO to act on this, they could lose it all in a day.
I wonder if this isn't all a plot by Putin to rid himself of a few more inconvenient Oligarchs....
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Threat of what exactly?
Of course the real problem is that WE really are the number one threat to THEM.
The "west" has attacked Russia, essentially unprovoked, on at least four occasions in the last 200 years (Napoleon, Crimean war, WW1, WW2) - go back further in time and you get the Baltic Crusades etc.
In return Russia has never attacked/invaded the west except during the endgame of WW2, when they were attacked first.
Try looking at things from the Russian point of view for a change.
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_"Secondly we are not even remotely near that limit anyway."
I disagree. We don't have to use every resource to begin a cascade failure. And we could be well into a cascade failure and not know it. Large ecological systems have buffering capacity. We don't know at this point how deep we are into that buffer, if at all. But my guess is maybe 30% of this planets reserve capacity for sustaining our species is gone.
Of course that is just a WAG. (wild ass guess) like your declaration is. _
My declaration isn't a "wild ass guess"
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy#/media/File:Solar_land_area.png
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
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Re: Lou Reed had ICE's number almost thirty years ago
Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
I thought he was talking about Canadians and seals at that point...
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
The report button was put in originally for genuine spam.
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Re: Re: Re: ICE's actions should be viewed in a larger context
Plenty of other countries in the world behave worse and are more of a threat to our way of life and yet "Russia" is always the bogeyman.
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Re: Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
In any case, I'm NOT going elsewhere, you don't get a little walled garden
The line taken by Techdirt isn't always perfect - but those of us who want a rational discussion are dismayed when this kind of irrational nonsense is the major contrary voice.
Then the comments column fills up with "me too" type dismissal and everything else is buried.
Please can everyone just ignore these comments. Don't respond - don't even click the report button - it just gives him something to complain about.
(Me too in the Zantac rather than Harvey Weinstein sense of the words)
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Re: Actually discredits Hispanics and lawyers. But besides blame all of ICE and its mission to keep out foreign invaders, I'm sure you blame "Republicans", Trump, and Russians too.
No, FIRST you state exactly what right illegal immigrants have to invade MY country.
Didn't work for the Native Americans....
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Re:
How did we get to a place where enforcing our law is considered being heartless and a bad human being?
Didn't work as a defence at Nurenberg.
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Re: Re: Re: if you're going to be one of those people
Whooops finger trouble
In IOW, everything; EVERYTHING can be measured in watts. Our food, our water, our air, our cozy air conditioned homes. All of those watts come from the sun, and there is only so much of it we can use without sustaining an unrecoverable ecological debt.
It is way more complicated than that.
Firstly - all of those watts don't have to come from the sun. Ever heard of nuclear energy?
Secondly we are not even remotely near that limit anyway.
Thirdly - whilst you make some good points about over consumption in developed countries (of which the US is the worst by a country mile), one thing that is worth noting is that assholes (as you put it) generally don't have lots of kids - so having more assholes tends to result in a lower population.
The native populations of most of the western world are now reproducing at below replacement rates and conventional wisdom says that the immigrants will do the same once established. Of course the conventional wisdom could be wrong on this point - but the consequences don't bear thinking about.
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Re: Re: if you're going to be one of those people
In IOW, everything; EVERYTHING can be measured in watts. Our food, our water, our air, our cozy air conditioned homes. All of those watts come from the sun, and there is only so much of it we can use without sustaining an unrecoverable ecological debt.
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Reasons
Specifically, ICE has been almost gleefully demonstrating how they are thuggish bullies who are eager to deport as many people as possible.
Same sort of thing happens in the UK - and I guess for the same reasons.
It goes like this:
People in the 1% who live in gated communities have a conscience about refugees from war-torn countries etc and push for more immigration from those countries.
People outside the 1% who actually have to live with the impact of 1) become upset about it - sometimes even justifiably.
Populist politicians capitalise on 2) and introduce "draconian" rules and "targets" for immigration.
Enforcement officials get assessed according to these "targets" and are pressed into enforcing them to the letter (with many unintended consequences).
Very soon no-one who has any common humanity wants to work in immigration enforcement.
It is important to note that everyone in this sequence is at fault in some way - not just the nasty people at the sharp end of it.
Whilst :
why you are so focused on destroying the lives of people who are almost certainly less well off and less privileged than you are, and who are seeking a better way of life.
seems like a reasonable, compassionate, position it is not a practical one becaue simply admitting anyone who seeks that better way of life would destroy it for everyone, including themselves.
There have to be restrictions, and those restrictions have to be enforced but somehow we need to find a way of attracting people with some humanity into the job, and allow them to bend the rules on occasion to cope with the most difficult cases.
In the meantime we need to address the root causes of these problems - to wit the vast inequalities in wealth between rich and poor countries - largely reinforced by the activities of major US corporations.
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History
While the country was never one to embrace free and open speech and communication to the same degree as Western nations
Free speech in western nations is itself a fairly recent concept and the practical ability to take advantage of it is even newer. How much use was the first amendment if you were a slave in the American south?
Go back before the revolution and look at a broader span of history and you will find that there is actually little to choose between Russia and the West on this type of issue.
Now remember that communism was itself a western import (devised by Germans in the UK) and you will realise that Russia as such is no worse nor better than anywhere else and the type of knee jerk slur in the quote above is unnecessary and detracts from the objectivity of the story.
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