"the purpose is to promote the progress and produce more aggregate output. and IP is not needed and only gets in the way."
Today the cost of just the patent is at least $30,000. When you factoring in the inventors time and other costs a published patent is at least a $100,000 proposition. No one will teach their invention if they do not get anything in return.
How many people on TechDIRT even have $100,000 or more in liquid assets? Have you considered how many years an inventor has to work and save in order to get a patent?
Patents are an asset just like designs to produce a product, advertising and marketing to create name recognition and so on.
People who violate patents are the parasites, not the inventor.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Not just to share knowledge but also a means to allow collaboration. Internet has allowed inventors who often do not have peers in their immediate geographical area to support each other and to avoid many pitfalls which would have ended their ability to succeed.
For example, we have been tracking fraudulent invention promotion companies for about fifteen years and publishing information about the companies, their employees and the exact nature of the scam they run. Massive amounts of information is available abut invention promoters at http://www.InventorEd.org/caution/.
We do the same thing for inventors trying to license their inventions. Some companies are notorious for acting nice and getting as much information as possible from the inventor, telling the inventor that they are not interested at the time and then putting an infringing product out. When they are caught they the company then whines about vicious trolls. We try to help inventors avoid those companies and if all the companies in an industry are cut from the same cloth we try to connect the inventor with a good litigator. It is amazing how having a litigator in tow tempers conduct of larcenous big companies.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"Patents and copyrights are there for this purpose after all to stop others from acquiring and using knowledge."
Patents do not stop you from acquiring knowledge, in fact they teach the best mode for an invention. They also give you knowledge that allows you to either improve upon or even leapfrog the invention.
While a patent says that you cannot use an invention it is a fact that no inventor will sue an individual for use as long as use does not generate significant income. It simply is not economical to enforce a patent unless infringement is at least ten million dollars.
Copyright has significant fair use exceptions and most copyrighted material which conveys knowledge would be available through public libraries. And do not forget that all published patents and patent applications are available free of charge. They are a treasure trove of knowledge if people simply take the time to learn how to understand them.
Trade publications are also a treasure trove of knowledge. While most articles are written with by specific companies with their own bias reading these publications over time tends to give the reader a broad perspective. Trade publications are usually free to qualified readers, including students. See: http://www.inventored.org/trade/
It has been my experience that there is a vast body of knowledge available for just the effort of seeking it and actually being willing to invent the effort in understanding. The problem is that most people are too lazy to take advantage of what is available.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"It is classic when Mike gets down to the old "you don't know what you are talking about" or "oh grow up", rather than accepting that he made an error of logic."
And lets not forget Mike accusing everyone of lying about him.
"Further, because Mike Masnick so clearly has an agenda, it's fun to watch him try to stretch the truth to match his views."
Mike Masnick most certainly acts like a marketing huckster. All the drivel about free marketing which ranks right next to MLM business models. Much of the free software is similar. In each case a small group at the top cons lots of other people into working for free while the leaders rake in money.
Mike seems to have free on the brain, kind of like water pressure on the brain. He acts like everyone should have to adopt a "free" loss leader business model and that if they don't then people should be able to steal. As i see it people have a choice if they do not like a pay up business model they can simply not buy. If everyone did not buy then a business might adopt he free loss leader model which Mike hypes. But they should not have to adopt the model just because Mike says so and people should not be allowed to steal just because some of them get together and and reinforce each others desire to steal.
I am still trying to figure out if his positions on 1 st amendment and related issues are real or if all that is window dressing to cover his promotion of big businesses agenda.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
I agree completely and the point I was making is that there is a broad pattern of poor conduct on Sony's part and the only way you will change them is by convincing people not to buy their products. When I am shopping and I see someone considering Sony products I tell them that the company has really declined and that they should buy another brand. It does work.
Today, Sony is costing on an outdated reputation for quality. his is no longer the case and people need to hear about it.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
I remember when Sony produced quality products and had good service about forty years ago. Even fresher is my experience when I bought three Sony laptops over an 18 month time frame and all three failed in less than a year. Sony weaseled on repairing two of them. This was a $10,000 mistake.
Since then whenever I see the name Sony on a product or in an ad I quickly move on.
When I buy a product I expect to be able to get service manuals and to repair it or modify it myself if I so chose.
And when I pay top dollar as was the case for the Sony notebook computers I expect to get a top quality product and top quality service. I got nether, the computer suffered from inexcusable hardware and software problems and Sony's service was atrocious. Sony service was actually worse than both HP and Dell.
When a company interferes with my ownership rights I do not but product from that company.
Sony has become an arrogant piece of crap and the only solution for that problem is to shun Sony.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Mike Masnick's anti patent mantra reminds me of Islamists. Could it be that Mike Masnick's point of view is driven by connections with the anti software patent crowd, a group of ignorant fundamentalists who want to blow up all patents, primarily because the vast majority lack the ability to invent?
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"A bad patent usually covers an obvious process or technology"
Every patent property thief claims that whatever they are infringing is based on a "bad" patent and is "obvious".
If this was true then the patent is a weak patent and not a threat.
But the reality is that infringers call valuable patents "bad" all the time, yet wen the cases go to trial courts inevitably find that the patent is not bad and that it is valuable. That is why RIM had to buy 612 million tubes of KY. They infringed a valuable patent and all the propaganda in the world will never change this.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
There are no "bad" patents. There are sad patents and funny patents.
All patent teach something, and some patents are even simple enough that Mike Masnick can understand them.
So rather than "bad" patents we have low value, narrow patents at one extreme and high value patents at the other extreme.
No one defends low value patents because it is not cost effective to do so. In fact, few people spend much time thinking about low value patents.
Which brings us to high value patents. These are the patents which everyone, especially those whose sticky fingers are caught on. When a Patent Pirate is caught in the act they yell at the top of their voice that the patent is "bad" when in fact it is they who are BAD.
So when you hear someone talking about "bad" patents you need to translate on the fly that they are talking about valuable patents and their desire to steal.
So "bad" really = good = valuable = caught red handed = they know that they are going to need KY by the semi load.
And a troll is an inventor who has the gall to slam the cookie jar lip on an infringing party's sticky fingers.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"I thought the point of a patent was to give a government-granted temporary monopoly on a product"
This is like saying that you should not be able to drive a car unless you are capable of building it from the ground up. Or lets say you want to want to write for a living, using their reasoning you should have to make your own paper, ink, and print it.
Big companies constantly try to foist this idea on people but it is not the case. A patent gives the inventor the right to exclude others from use. Those who want to use get the right to do so by paying a royalty.
There is nothing in law that says an inventor must produce an end user product. People have different skills. Producing an invention is a skill which produces valuable knowledge. The act of teaching the invention leads to a patent and the patent is itself a product. It details how to practice an invention.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"And without product development - the harder part - there is no point in having those inventions."
You have missed the point of patents and that is that they teach. Even if a product is not immediately produced a documented invention often spawns additional inventions.
Sometimes this happens either because someone builds on the foundation laid by proceeding inventions or because someone develops an alternative in order to avoid paying another inventor. In the latter case then the two inventions compete for market share and usually the best wins the market.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "theft" of an idea
"As far as I can tell you don't have a thought in your head."
Which demonstrates who it is not productive to cite stats for you or any other TechDIRT lemming. It is a futile exercise because you either cannot or will not pay attention.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"not the ones who are demanding their cut of someone else's productivity."
The point is that an inventor produced the most important parts of what drove productivity. In other words you are saying that you think that what marketing hucksters do is more important than what the inventor did. That is not the case.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"You don't get to assign blame as you see it and then absolve these litigants from their own responsibility for their choices. You're making some broad generalizations about 'idea pirates' and then blaming them for the actions of lawyers who are making a buck on the suit, not on the pursuit of innovation."
The court assigns blame, not I. Defendants who lose, and most do, are found to be at fault.
Courts carefully examine evidence and each sides arguments. They have access to much more information than anyone else. Most of the time they make the correct determination and there are checks in the form of appeals.
It is interesting that a number of big companies who are routinely found to be in the wrong are associated with TechDIRT, and that may be why TechDIRT Drivel flows freely.
Lawyers are not at fault, they are advocates and mercenaries. This is the essence of rule of law. I feel that it is preferable to trial by combat.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"So wait, education is bad? This coming from the guy who posted his version of "Economics 101" above?"
No, education is not bad. But those who are good at working the education system are not necessarily good at applying what they learned. Plenty of people can regurgitate what was taught without being able to apply it or build upon it.
The essence of being an inventor is being able to extrapolate beyond what they learned.
It is very clear that whatever Mike learned that he does not understand.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
"Either investors give more money to research labs to innovate more or you give at least a portion of that money to a law firm to litigate. Any dollar not spent on innovation/creation is that one potential dollar that was needed to fund a break-through idea/product/etc. but you know that no amount of litigation will even create a break-through."
Faulty reasoning. The problem is that no funds flow for more research unless litigators are brought in to extract those dollars.
So an inventor who does not retain a lawyer gets a big fat %100 of $0.00 and one who retains a lawyer typically nets %40 to %50 of a large number of dollars, often exceeding $100 million which they can use to produce more inventions and they often use income from their first inventions to build their own companies.
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Today the cost of just the patent is at least $30,000. When you factoring in the inventors time and other costs a published patent is at least a $100,000 proposition. No one will teach their invention if they do not get anything in return.
How many people on TechDIRT even have $100,000 or more in liquid assets? Have you considered how many years an inventor has to work and save in order to get a patent?
Patents are an asset just like designs to produce a product, advertising and marketing to create name recognition and so on.
People who violate patents are the parasites, not the inventor.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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A means to share knowledge!
For example, we have been tracking fraudulent invention promotion companies for about fifteen years and publishing information about the companies, their employees and the exact nature of the scam they run. Massive amounts of information is available abut invention promoters at http://www.InventorEd.org/caution/.
We do the same thing for inventors trying to license their inventions. Some companies are notorious for acting nice and getting as much information as possible from the inventor, telling the inventor that they are not interested at the time and then putting an infringing product out. When they are caught they the company then whines about vicious trolls. We try to help inventors avoid those companies and if all the companies in an industry are cut from the same cloth we try to connect the inventor with a good litigator. It is amazing how having a litigator in tow tempers conduct of larcenous big companies.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: Can One Guy Educate The World Via YouTube?
Re: Hope
Patents do not stop you from acquiring knowledge, in fact they teach the best mode for an invention. They also give you knowledge that allows you to either improve upon or even leapfrog the invention.
While a patent says that you cannot use an invention it is a fact that no inventor will sue an individual for use as long as use does not generate significant income. It simply is not economical to enforce a patent unless infringement is at least ten million dollars.
Copyright has significant fair use exceptions and most copyrighted material which conveys knowledge would be available through public libraries. And do not forget that all published patents and patent applications are available free of charge. They are a treasure trove of knowledge if people simply take the time to learn how to understand them.
Trade publications are also a treasure trove of knowledge. While most articles are written with by specific companies with their own bias reading these publications over time tends to give the reader a broad perspective. Trade publications are usually free to qualified readers, including students. See: http://www.inventored.org/trade/
It has been my experience that there is a vast body of knowledge available for just the effort of seeking it and actually being willing to invent the effort in understanding. The problem is that most people are too lazy to take advantage of what is available.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
And lets not forget Mike accusing everyone of lying about him.
"Further, because Mike Masnick so clearly has an agenda, it's fun to watch him try to stretch the truth to match his views."
Mike Masnick most certainly acts like a marketing huckster. All the drivel about free marketing which ranks right next to MLM business models. Much of the free software is similar. In each case a small group at the top cons lots of other people into working for free while the leaders rake in money.
Mike seems to have free on the brain, kind of like water pressure on the brain. He acts like everyone should have to adopt a "free" loss leader business model and that if they don't then people should be able to steal. As i see it people have a choice if they do not like a pay up business model they can simply not buy. If everyone did not buy then a business might adopt he free loss leader model which Mike hypes. But they should not have to adopt the model just because Mike says so and people should not be allowed to steal just because some of them get together and and reinforce each others desire to steal.
I am still trying to figure out if his positions on 1 st amendment and related issues are real or if all that is window dressing to cover his promotion of big businesses agenda.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Sony Intolerable
Today, Sony is costing on an outdated reputation for quality. his is no longer the case and people need to hear about it.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
There is a difference between being top of he line and Sony's public relations hype claiming to be top of the line.
Sony is just another stagnant company in decline who is coasting on very old glory.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Sony is Style Without Substance
Since then whenever I see the name Sony on a product or in an ad I quickly move on.
When I buy a product I expect to be able to get service manuals and to repair it or modify it myself if I so chose.
And when I pay top dollar as was the case for the Sony notebook computers I expect to get a top quality product and top quality service. I got nether, the computer suffered from inexcusable hardware and software problems and Sony's service was atrocious. Sony service was actually worse than both HP and Dell.
When a company interferes with my ownership rights I do not but product from that company.
Sony has become an arrogant piece of crap and the only solution for that problem is to shun Sony.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: No, Giving More Patents To Startups Won't Increase Innovation
Re: More Masnick lies?
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: No, Giving More Patents To Startups Won't Increase Innovation
Bad = Good & Valuable
Every patent property thief claims that whatever they are infringing is based on a "bad" patent and is "obvious".
If this was true then the patent is a weak patent and not a threat.
But the reality is that infringers call valuable patents "bad" all the time, yet wen the cases go to trial courts inevitably find that the patent is not bad and that it is valuable. That is why RIM had to buy 612 million tubes of KY. They infringed a valuable patent and all the propaganda in the world will never change this.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: No, Giving More Patents To Startups Won't Increase Innovation
Weak Patents- Strong Patents & TechDIRT Drivel
All patent teach something, and some patents are even simple enough that Mike Masnick can understand them.
So rather than "bad" patents we have low value, narrow patents at one extreme and high value patents at the other extreme.
No one defends low value patents because it is not cost effective to do so. In fact, few people spend much time thinking about low value patents.
Which brings us to high value patents. These are the patents which everyone, especially those whose sticky fingers are caught on. When a Patent Pirate is caught in the act they yell at the top of their voice that the patent is "bad" when in fact it is they who are BAD.
So when you hear someone talking about "bad" patents you need to translate on the fly that they are talking about valuable patents and their desire to steal.
So "bad" really = good = valuable = caught red handed = they know that they are going to need KY by the semi load.
And a troll is an inventor who has the gall to slam the cookie jar lip on an infringing party's sticky fingers.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Faulty Reasoning.
This is like saying that you should not be able to drive a car unless you are capable of building it from the ground up. Or lets say you want to want to write for a living, using their reasoning you should have to make your own paper, ink, and print it.
Big companies constantly try to foist this idea on people but it is not the case. A patent gives the inventor the right to exclude others from use. Those who want to use get the right to do so by paying a royalty.
There is nothing in law that says an inventor must produce an end user product. People have different skills. Producing an invention is a skill which produces valuable knowledge. The act of teaching the invention leads to a patent and the patent is itself a product. It details how to practice an invention.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: Lead Inventor On One Of The Patents Paul Allen Is Suing Over Worries About Litigation Over Innovation
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Faulty Reasoning.
You have missed the point of patents and that is that they teach. Even if a product is not immediately produced a documented invention often spawns additional inventions.
Sometimes this happens either because someone builds on the foundation laid by proceeding inventions or because someone develops an alternative in order to avoid paying another inventor. In the latter case then the two inventions compete for market share and usually the best wins the market.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: Lead Inventor On One Of The Patents Paul Allen Is Suing Over Worries About Litigation Over Innovation
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "theft" of an idea
Which demonstrates who it is not productive to cite stats for you or any other TechDIRT lemming. It is a futile exercise because you either cannot or will not pay attention.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
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Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Wild West - Transnational Corp Style
If that is the case then why are big companies getting their tails kicked for patent infringement?
And your qualifications? Did you say it is because you are associated with TechDIRT?
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Faulty Reasoning.
This is a chicken-egg issue. Without the invention there cannot be a product which uses it.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "theft" of an idea
More like pseudo reasoned propaganda. He cites propaganda as authoritative when it is not.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Faulty Reasoning.
The point is that an inventor produced the most important parts of what drove productivity. In other words you are saying that you think that what marketing hucksters do is more important than what the inventor did. That is not the case.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Wild West - Transnational Corp Style
The court assigns blame, not I. Defendants who lose, and most do, are found to be at fault.
Courts carefully examine evidence and each sides arguments. They have access to much more information than anyone else. Most of the time they make the correct determination and there are checks in the form of appeals.
It is interesting that a number of big companies who are routinely found to be in the wrong are associated with TechDIRT, and that may be why TechDIRT Drivel flows freely.
Lawyers are not at fault, they are advocates and mercenaries. This is the essence of rule of law. I feel that it is preferable to trial by combat.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
On the post: Lead Inventor On One Of The Patents Paul Allen Is Suing Over Worries About Litigation Over Innovation
Re: Re: Re: Re: "theft" of an idea
No, education is not bad. But those who are good at working the education system are not necessarily good at applying what they learned. Plenty of people can regurgitate what was taught without being able to apply it or build upon it.
The essence of being an inventor is being able to extrapolate beyond what they learned.
It is very clear that whatever Mike learned that he does not understand.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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Faulty Reasoning.
Faulty reasoning. The problem is that no funds flow for more research unless litigators are brought in to extract those dollars.
So an inventor who does not retain a lawyer gets a big fat %100 of $0.00 and one who retains a lawyer typically nets %40 to %50 of a large number of dollars, often exceeding $100 million which they can use to produce more inventions and they often use income from their first inventions to build their own companies.
Ronald J. Riley,
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Other Affiliations:
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 9 pm EST.
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