Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 5 Sep 2012 @ 12:45pm
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where the bank really does have their hands tied.
Well, they do have to report it, but their hands are not completely tied.
They can appeal to the regulators on a case by case basis for common sense to win out.
But that takes effort, and with the current state of the economy, it is easier to replace him than to bother with appealing. If however, it was a high-paid exec who had a similar 10-cent fraud conviction - you bet they would appeal.
(Full disclosure: I work for the bank mentioned in this story. I don't work with customer data, but I am in the information security and access control group and have had to pass similar checks.)
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 5 Sep 2012 @ 12:33pm
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They were likely exposed to a sexual image NOT on the internet LONG before they were exposed to one on the internet.
This. I was exposed to porn in the 10 year old range, before I had a computer or access to the internet - because few knew anything about "the internet" in 1990. I don't have distinct memories of which was first, but either a friend found a stack of his father's magazines, or an older cousin with his magazines were probably first. Depending on how loose your definition is, postcards of women in bikinis and wet t-shirts from the family's annual vacation to the beach might beat the others.
The objectification of women IS a problem, but it was around long before the internet.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 5 Sep 2012 @ 8:26am
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Takedown is not the punishment.
Tell that to legitimate companies who are having perfectly legal content taken down, impacting their business, who have little or no recourse on getting that content back up.
Lets try an analogy, flawed as they always are. A company makes a completely bogus legal threat, that there are uncleared product placements in the next big summer $200 million blockbuster. They threaten to sue every movie theater across the country. Because of the threat, the big theater chains pull the movie on opening night. Instead of having a huge opening and being #1 in the box office, the movie doesn't even appear in the list. Are you okay with this happening, and do you think the studio would consider it an unwarranted punishment for doing nothing wrong?
Takedowns are done by private companies. So I don't see how this nonsense of "innocent until proven guilty" applies to a non-governmental entity.
When the private company is compelled to takedown the content by a law, to avoid liability for something they shouldn't be liable for under any sane system of justice, it damn well should apply.
You know that Google doesn't really want to remove that content - you're the one arguing they're pirates - it is forced to under a draconian law with onerous provisions for finding compeltely innocent third parties liable.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Sep 2012 @ 10:15pm
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Your ad hominem attacks are old and tired. Yet bizarrely you call yourself responsible. Seriously, grow up. Also - never pirated Avatar. Saw it in the theaters, twice. And the collector's edition is sitting on my shelf. Try again.
People fought and died for my right to express my opinion, yes. I am grateful to them, and I want to make sure they didn't die in vain. That anyone can post anything to the internet, including copyrighted content, insures that other expression is not being censored. If the government keeps overreaching and taking away individual rights for the benefit of private businesses, there's going to be another revolution, and more people are going to die needlessly. (This is not some threat or manifesto. I'm not stockpiling guns or building a bunker. Just an observation of history.)
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Sep 2012 @ 2:39pm
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The problem is a generation that wants everything now, won't wait for anything, and won't respect anyone's rights to decide when and where to sell their products.
The problem is a legacy industry that will not adapt to that generation (their customers and the market).
That generation damn well knows how easy it is to provide the things they want, without waiting, and won't respect stupid reasons for not supplying what they want.
If two guys writing code in a garage and paying for servers and bandwidth with couch cushion money can destroy your business model, then we know two things: The two guys aren't the problem. And your business model sucks.
This generation will line up for blocks to get the latest gizmo on release day. This generation will sell out the 12:01 AM showing of the summer blockbuster, and wait at the bookstore at midnight to get the latest book in a beloved series. This generation will pre-order the latest online game or expansion pack and then flood the servers the second they open. This generation is breaking down the doors to get at that content, yet you somehow think you can make money by building walls between them and it. If you cannot make money off a generation this rabid for your product, you are a moron.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Sep 2012 @ 10:46am
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But at the end of the day, when you take something that's not yours to take, you're no better than a common pickpocket.
Tired, disproven trope. Don't you have anything new?
When a pickpocket takes your wallet, you no longer have the wallet, or the money inside. When I pirate something, nothing is stopping the copyright holder from still offering that thing for sale.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Sep 2012 @ 10:36am
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The key difference between you and myself: I respect individuals and their rights. You respect authority and their insistence on taking those rights away from individuals.
I respect the rights of everyone to speak freely, to express themselves freely, even if I disagree with what they say. You want there to be limitations on speech and expressions, so that a few can profit monetarily by those restrictions.
I respect the right of everyone to freely benefit from ideas and knowledge that are infinitely copyable at no cost. You want that knowledge locked up and restricted until the few can profit at the expense of all others.
I understand you well enough. You don't seem to have the slightest idea of what I respect.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Sep 2012 @ 7:01am
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Had they gone with the "paid, ad-free, Pro Broadcasting" service they wouldn't have gotten nuked by a DRMbot.
Can't wait for the copyright maximalists to jump on Ustream now:
"They're offering a service where someone can pay to bypass the restrictionbots? Load up the choppers with a SWAT team, its time they stopped profiting off our work!"
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Sep 2012 @ 6:58am
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then why do they claim it is okay to inflict such a process onto the innocent third parties?
To them, there are no innocent third parties.
Also, they're third parties, so they don't care what mind boggling batshit insane things someone else has to do to, so long as no one goes within a lightyear of even thinking about possibly using copyrighted content without prior authorization, signed in triplicate by the CEO of a huge multinational conglomerate that owns the content, with an attached copy of a letter from their 2nd grade teacher saying that even when they were 6 they knew what copyright was and would never violate it.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 31 Aug 2012 @ 7:26am
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I don't think anyone thinks that YouTube in and of itself is an enemy.
You generally don't sue someone for a billion dollars if you don't think they're the enemy.
The current copies are perfect, often "better" in some people's eyes because parts of the DVD are stripped, such as warnings and copyright notices.
No one but themselves are stopping the studios from releasing perfect copies without the bogus warnings.
Combine that with people getting nicer and nicer home theater setups,
No one but themselves are stopping the studios from helping the theater going experience to be better.
Technology and a loss of public morals have come together to hurt the industy, and will very likely decimate it in the next few years.
Public morals are not being lost. The blind and short sighted greed and stubborness of the studios is clashing against public morals. The studios could very easily adapt by giving their customers better options, better experiences, and less bullshit. They have no one but themselves to blame if they do not change.
So what exactly do you think they can use YouTube to market? T-shirts?
That's one option among many. Merchandise is a huge part of many blockbusters.
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Well, they do have to report it, but their hands are not completely tied.
They can appeal to the regulators on a case by case basis for common sense to win out.
But that takes effort, and with the current state of the economy, it is easier to replace him than to bother with appealing. If however, it was a high-paid exec who had a similar 10-cent fraud conviction - you bet they would appeal.
(Full disclosure: I work for the bank mentioned in this story. I don't work with customer data, but I am in the information security and access control group and have had to pass similar checks.)
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This. I was exposed to porn in the 10 year old range, before I had a computer or access to the internet - because few knew anything about "the internet" in 1990. I don't have distinct memories of which was first, but either a friend found a stack of his father's magazines, or an older cousin with his magazines were probably first. Depending on how loose your definition is, postcards of women in bikinis and wet t-shirts from the family's annual vacation to the beach might beat the others.
The objectification of women IS a problem, but it was around long before the internet.
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Tell that to legitimate companies who are having perfectly legal content taken down, impacting their business, who have little or no recourse on getting that content back up.
Lets try an analogy, flawed as they always are. A company makes a completely bogus legal threat, that there are uncleared product placements in the next big summer $200 million blockbuster. They threaten to sue every movie theater across the country. Because of the threat, the big theater chains pull the movie on opening night. Instead of having a huge opening and being #1 in the box office, the movie doesn't even appear in the list. Are you okay with this happening, and do you think the studio would consider it an unwarranted punishment for doing nothing wrong?
Takedowns are done by private companies. So I don't see how this nonsense of "innocent until proven guilty" applies to a non-governmental entity.
When the private company is compelled to takedown the content by a law, to avoid liability for something they shouldn't be liable for under any sane system of justice, it damn well should apply.
You know that Google doesn't really want to remove that content - you're the one arguing they're pirates - it is forced to under a draconian law with onerous provisions for finding compeltely innocent third parties liable.
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People fought and died for my right to express my opinion, yes. I am grateful to them, and I want to make sure they didn't die in vain. That anyone can post anything to the internet, including copyrighted content, insures that other expression is not being censored. If the government keeps overreaching and taking away individual rights for the benefit of private businesses, there's going to be another revolution, and more people are going to die needlessly. (This is not some threat or manifesto. I'm not stockpiling guns or building a bunker. Just an observation of history.)
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The problem is a legacy industry that will not adapt to that generation (their customers and the market).
That generation damn well knows how easy it is to provide the things they want, without waiting, and won't respect stupid reasons for not supplying what they want.
If two guys writing code in a garage and paying for servers and bandwidth with couch cushion money can destroy your business model, then we know two things: The two guys aren't the problem. And your business model sucks.
This generation will line up for blocks to get the latest gizmo on release day. This generation will sell out the 12:01 AM showing of the summer blockbuster, and wait at the bookstore at midnight to get the latest book in a beloved series. This generation will pre-order the latest online game or expansion pack and then flood the servers the second they open. This generation is breaking down the doors to get at that content, yet you somehow think you can make money by building walls between them and it. If you cannot make money off a generation this rabid for your product, you are a moron.
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Why is that amount of data on a damned laptop in the first place?
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Who are you to determine what is and is not acceptable speech?
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Tired, disproven trope. Don't you have anything new?
When a pickpocket takes your wallet, you no longer have the wallet, or the money inside. When I pirate something, nothing is stopping the copyright holder from still offering that thing for sale.
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I respect the rights of everyone to speak freely, to express themselves freely, even if I disagree with what they say. You want there to be limitations on speech and expressions, so that a few can profit monetarily by those restrictions.
I respect the right of everyone to freely benefit from ideas and knowledge that are infinitely copyable at no cost. You want that knowledge locked up and restricted until the few can profit at the expense of all others.
I understand you well enough. You don't seem to have the slightest idea of what I respect.
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Who's side are you arguing?
Even some of the maximalists realize they're the ones burning the rainforest. They just don't care.
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Can you show definitively that the other millions of notices and takedowns are legit?
There's no telling how many more are completely bogus, because even the worst are rarely challenged.
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Fine with me.
The real issue is that copyright is batshit insane, as we've been pointing out for years.
Time to wipe it out completely.
Since this is a sci-fi themed story, I feel no guilt in using this:
"Nuke the entire (law) from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
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Can't wait for the copyright maximalists to jump on Ustream now:
"They're offering a service where someone can pay to bypass the restrictionbots? Load up the choppers with a SWAT team, its time they stopped profiting off our work!"
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To them, there are no innocent third parties.
Also, they're third parties, so they don't care what mind boggling batshit insane things someone else has to do to, so long as no one goes within a lightyear of even thinking about possibly using copyrighted content without prior authorization, signed in triplicate by the CEO of a huge multinational conglomerate that owns the content, with an attached copy of a letter from their 2nd grade teacher saying that even when they were 6 they knew what copyright was and would never violate it.
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I'm relatively sure that the years they've spent with undue influence over USTR is more than 8 minutes.
Of course, I use real math, not the Hollywood kind.
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You generally don't sue someone for a billion dollars if you don't think they're the enemy.
The current copies are perfect, often "better" in some people's eyes because parts of the DVD are stripped, such as warnings and copyright notices.
No one but themselves are stopping the studios from releasing perfect copies without the bogus warnings.
Combine that with people getting nicer and nicer home theater setups,
No one but themselves are stopping the studios from helping the theater going experience to be better.
Technology and a loss of public morals have come together to hurt the industy, and will very likely decimate it in the next few years.
Public morals are not being lost. The blind and short sighted greed and stubborness of the studios is clashing against public morals. The studios could very easily adapt by giving their customers better options, better experiences, and less bullshit. They have no one but themselves to blame if they do not change.
So what exactly do you think they can use YouTube to market? T-shirts?
That's one option among many. Merchandise is a huge part of many blockbusters.
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BAN RAIN!
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