Copyright Killbots Strike Again: Official DNC Livestream Taken Down By Just About Every Copyright Holder
from the yeah,-THIS-makes-everyone-respect-copyright-MORE dept
Here we go again. Less than 24 hours ago, content-protection bots killed a livestream of the Hugo Awards, thanks to the brief appearance of fully approved clips from an episode of Dr. Who. The whole situation was completely absurd to anyone harboring the tiniest vestige of common sense, but IP-protection software isn't built on common sense: it's built on algorithms.This time, content protection via crawling bots have taken down another approved, perfectly legal stream. The victim this time? The Democratic National Convention's official stream, hosted at YouTube. As Wired reports, if you're looking to catch up on last night's activities, including a speech by Michelle Obama, don't bother:
The video, posted by the official YouTube account for the convention, DemConvention2012, was blocked, according to YouTube, for ostensibly infringing on the copyright of one of many possible suspects:The video has since been updated to state that "This video is private." There's probably quite a bit going on behind the scenes at the moment, but fortunately Wired snagged the complete list of claimants for future reference.
This video contains content from WMG, SME, Associated Press (AP), UMG, Dow Jones, New York Times Digital, The Harry Fox Agency, Inc. (HFA), Warner Chappell, UMPG Publishing and EMI Music Publishing, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.When contacted by Wired for comment, Erica Sackin, an Obama campaign staffer who works on digital outreach, had no knowledge of the outage, asked this reporter for the url and then upon seeing the takedown, said, "I'll have to call you back."
Sorry about that.
Now, these entities aren't directly responsible for this takedown. This is more of an automated match situation, but it still doesn't change the fact that the inherent stupidity of the action, automated or not, does absolutely nothing to lock down stray, unmonetized content and absolutely everything to highlight the ridiculous nature of copyright protection in a digital age.
If Google can work with copyright holders to produce content matching software, it seems like it might be possible to designate certain accounts or entities as "off limits" from the wandering killbots. If the stream is authorized by, I don't know, the party of the current President of the United States, maybe, just fucking maybe, everything's "above board."
Sure, defining legitimate, pre-approved accounts may prove to be as difficult as determining which content is infringing and which isn't, but this should be the sort of thing that content holders should be working toward, rather than simply moving from disaster to disaster, smugly secure in the knowledge that filthy file sharers are getting content-blocked thousands of times a day.
Nice going, huge list of content holders. Your boundless, maximalist enthusiasm is just another nail in the coffin containing what's left of copyright's reputation.
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If I was Google, I would just sit back, let this happen, and smile. What better way to highlight this mess? They walked in front of the gun that they forced Google to set up. It's poetic justice.Subscribe: RSS
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The debate should be which is most desirable, protection of copyright or an Internet that allows free speech and access to knowledge.
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> shut up or actually use there position as a
> well read internet author to demand legal
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> we all have the right to watch.
I think that's exactly what we've been doing here for years.
And please look into the proper use of the word 'their' versus 'there'. You're (repeatedly) not doing it right.
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Not sure I agree with this, Tim. If Google, uStream and others work with copyrestriction holders to 'whitelist' certain accounts - it will not fix any problem with the automated bots apart from allowing the 'usual suspect' corporations to whitelist their own stuff.
But as for the indie artists, the public domain uploads - I very much doubt these will be allowed on this new whitelist. Rather they will continue to get flagged and taken down. The only thing it will do is remove the problem from the eyes of politicians and awards recievers.
Instead, I'm hoping we see an increase of this on political campaign and big media videos. Hopefully enough politicians may get shirty about their videos being blocked that they'll either (worst case) enact some reverse legislation to prevent online services from automating the task altogether or (best case) revoke the DMCA.
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At least with there being no whitelists, the bigger boys are being attacked and so we're hearing about these takedowns. If this was a guy running fair use clips in his movie review show or using public domain footage, it probably wouldn't get reported on. The DNC gets this in the run-up to the election? People will notice and we'll be spared some of the lies and misdirection this time. Not all of it, sadly, but some.
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Whitelists actually fix a lot of the problem, because they remove many of the false positives. The two examples put up in the last 24hours could have both been avoided with whitelisting.
"fair use" doesn't mean blind eye. Fair use is something you assert, not something assumed. It might be something that youtube would want to look at, perhaps allowing people who post videos to "pre-claim" fair use, in case of a DMCA notice.
The burden should be shared out equally. When it's not shared out, there are often problems.
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Remember: the one making the assertion has to back up their claims. With the DMCA, that simply doens't happen. The process is so automatic that all uses are assumed infirnging. This is wrong-headed at best and malicious at worst.
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Because while Mike might try to teach you otherwise, fair use is actually a pretty narrow definition, and not something very wide open at all. Using music as the background for your latest rant against the government? Not really fair use.
Using music as background for your latest "man hit in balls" video... not covered.
Go back and understand what fair use is, what it covers, and then go look at the first 100 random videos you see on youtube. Most of them probably wouldn't even qualify to maybe make it having standing to even argue it.
"The process is so automatic that all uses are assumed infirnging. "
Most uses are.
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I could be sarcastic here and pick 100 videos that are either uploaded by the copyright holder, use public domain material or are otherwise not covered by fair use since they don't have to be.
"Most uses are."
Citation needed. No, the number of DMCA takedowns doesn't count since most of them aren't challenged - and you need a challenge to determine whether fair use applies, since the bots sending out the notices don't know.
Like it or not, fair use is a valid defence. It just isn't tested by the automated spamming you promote.
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That, combined with the fact that he blames piracy 100% for every woe faced by those corporations (despite the hundreds of other factors regularly pointed out), means that he doesn't want a system that would force them to prove their copyright ownership. He'd much rather kill off a bunch of independent and legal works, and to hell with the profits they lose because of this in the attempted defence of his own.
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Because while Mike might try to teach you otherwise, fair use is actually a pretty narrow definition, and not something very wide open at all. Using music as the background for your latest rant against the government? Not really fair use.
Actually every upload to Youtube is already accompanied by a clickthrough assertion from the uploader that the material conforms to copyright law.
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Because you want it to be narrow it doesn't mean it is actually narrow. Also, you gave a perfect example of fair use which proves that you have no clue what fair use is.
Using music as background for your latest "man hit in balls" video... not covered.
Another fair use example.
Most uses are.
If that's by any chance a tiny bit true then it's proof the copyright system is broken and needs review. If the majority of the content is labeled infringing by the system and turns the great majority of the people into petty 'criminals' then it is utterly and badly broken. Simple as that.
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For most of three centuries, copyright had been kinda a niche, specialty, backwater in the law. Copyright law really affected authors and publishers, and not too much of anyone else on a day-to-day basis.
Oh, sure, copyright law sometimes got a lot of press: More press than it deserved. Because authors are nothing if they don't write�and the publishers owned the printing presses. So, often, some authors would get together and make a fuss, and the publishers would print it up.
Now that almost everyone owns a printing press, things have changed drastically. Copyright law is moving from a niche, specialty backwater in the law and becoming law of general applicability to everyone in their day-to-day lives.
This shift in application demands changes in the law.
When copyright was a niche, specialty backwater in the law then it could afford all kinds of arcane rules and confusion. Now, these days, it's time to jettison some of the old subtleties and gotchas. It's time to refashion copyright into law that the public can understand, agree with and willingly obey.
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Here I refashioned it. Don't worry, I'm leaving it CC-BY-SA.
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That would only fix it if people were actually interested in fixing and correcting the problem. In reality, most of these false positives are ignored if they don't hit big or notable targets (as per DMCA takedowns, etc.), and not fixed unless someone like Google really puts the effort into investigation. Even then, they can only affect how they identify and deal with them, not stop them being generated to begin with, which is the main problem.
"Fair use is something you assert, not something assumed."
It's something that's used as a defence against copyright infringement claims, and it's a defence right that's clearly specified in copyright law. There actions happen to circumvent the possibly of raising a defence before takedowns occur. that's the problem.
"perhaps allowing people who post videos to "pre-claim" fair use"
How can you do that for a live stream? Why should you have to do that in cases of public domain material, or where all the parties involved in any copyright ownership have already agreed to the usage (as per the Hugo awards).
"The burden should be shared out equally. When it's not shared out, there are often problems."
Indeed, which is why this constant bowing to the needs of the major labels & studios at the expense of everybody else is rather disturbing.
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To prevent abuse of this service a small charge could be made - refundable if the reviewer agrees with you.
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Now, by using a premium rate number and keeping the caller on hold until the charge has been rung up?
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What you seem to suggest is a presumption of fair use- which itself is a defense. How do you advance a defense before there's an adverse action like a takedown? It seems that the burden rests on the person asserting that a lawful exception to copyright exists; not that fair use is exists standing alone and copyright must be proved to overcome it. Clearly the law doesn't support this position, though maybe you do.
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In the event the accuser doesn't agree with the fine or the defendant doesn't agree with the takedown they can fill a lawsuit. The defender, if a person that doesn't use their content for profits, would be assigned a public lawyer that would deal with the defense and the takedown would be suspended until the case is heard.
For that purpose there should be a "small causes court" or something like that. The fine for the accuser should be pretty symbolic, say, $100 or something. The process can be appealed at the content of any of the parties except that in the higher instances the one defending would be imposed a fine (as small) whereas the accuser would have its fine ramped up (let's say, multiplied by 10 for each instance appealed).
Maybe my idea isn't the best but it puts the onus of bogus claims on the accuser and allows defense. I'm fairly sure the takedown process would be much better and just than it is today.
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Call me crazy, but I would view the takedown as the punishment - you know, the thing that usually takes place after guilt is proven? You're saying that the punishment should be applied before the accused has a chance to defend themselves against an accusation. It's amazing that you don't see a problem with this. I'm sure you'll come up with some way of pretend this is necessary or even just, though. Let me guess: "think of the corporations, their rights mean more than yours!"
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Tell that to legitimate companies who are having perfectly legal content taken down, impacting their business, who have little or no recourse on getting that content back up.
Lets try an analogy, flawed as they always are. A company makes a completely bogus legal threat, that there are uncleared product placements in the next big summer $200 million blockbuster. They threaten to sue every movie theater across the country. Because of the threat, the big theater chains pull the movie on opening night. Instead of having a huge opening and being #1 in the box office, the movie doesn't even appear in the list. Are you okay with this happening, and do you think the studio would consider it an unwarranted punishment for doing nothing wrong?
Takedowns are done by private companies. So I don't see how this nonsense of "innocent until proven guilty" applies to a non-governmental entity.
When the private company is compelled to takedown the content by a law, to avoid liability for something they shouldn't be liable for under any sane system of justice, it damn well should apply.
You know that Google doesn't really want to remove that content - you're the one arguing they're pirates - it is forced to under a draconian law with onerous provisions for finding compeltely innocent third parties liable.
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But the copyright owners don't have to sue for damages - they can just sue for a totally absurd statutory rate where potentially sharing a couple of 99 cent song with at most a dozen people ends in millions of dollars of penalties.
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Takedowns may not be the only punishment, but they certainly are a punishment.
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Or should we allow third parties like Google to decide whether or not someone has committed perjury? How about this scenario: Scripps files a takedown on YouTube for public domain videos, NASA files a counterclaim, and now Google can decide that Scripps committed perjury (remember, Scripps filed that DMCA notice under penalty of perjury) so now Google can waltz into Scripps HQ and arrest and imprison the entire lot for 6 months.
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At long last, hours past when anyone cared, I'm here to offer some clarification on what I meant by "whitelisting" certain accounts. This will hopefully clear things up a bit, as I offered no real specifics in the post itself. (Not to mention that spending a day mulling this over occasionally has brought me to the point that I'm not entirely sure I agree with my original statement, even with clarification.)
The thought I had is that certain entities could be whitelisted almost as "presumed fair use" (as mentioned by other commenters below). This would include streams/accounts whose offerings were deemed to be "in the public interest." Something like the DNC broadcast could be considered to fall under that heading. All political leanings aside, it's an integral part of the election process.
Other entities/accounts to be considered would be those operated by universities/schools/etc. Possibly some charities/non-profits would fit the bill. Vaguely speaking (and yeah, I know I'm doing a lot of that), something that would be of benefit to the public should be routed around, possibly with some sort of exclusionary code.
Obviously, there is no way content holders would agree to this, as assuming something is "fair use" is pretty much antithetical to their normal M.O. Fair use is usually determined in a courtroom (when push comes to shove) and I imagine that suits them just fine.
Another aspect pointed out below is the "unfairness" of whitelisting certain accounts, thus granting more rights to certain entities. That's a perfectly valid argument. As much as I'd like to wholeheartedly believe my assertion in the article, I don't see any way that implementing this wouldn't result in tons of abuse and actually make the situation worse.
In no way was I suggesting that content holders should grant themselves whitelist status. They'd be the first to institute and the first to abuse it. If any sort of whitelisting was implemented, the selection process would need to be independent of all parties involved, which would pretty much be impossible.
It was a very idealistic statement. My original thought was that this stream/video (and others like it) should not be stifled by outside agents. Hence, a whitelist. But beyond that, there's no realistic way to implement this without further breaking a broken system.
More than anything, it was an expression of frustration at the "triumph" of copyright protection over something that benefited the common good.
But after a lot of hindsight and some really excellent comments, I'm very much inclined to agree with the First Word, as stated by Travis Miller:
If I was Google, I would just sit back, let this happen, and smile. What better way to highlight this mess? They walked in front of the gun that they forced Google to set up. It's poetic justice.
I don't particularly see this provoking any change, but it does feel good to watch the maximalists shoot themselves in the face.
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Designate "off limits"?
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Power whining. The MAFIAA is doing it right.
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It's much harder to defend file sharing sites (which often have significant infringing uses) or new startups and individuals (because no-one's heard of or cares about them, so they may as well be guilty, cf. endowment effect), and it seems courts have a tendency to stretch the law to get the 'right' outcome.
Examples like this will hopefully result in some useful new policies (and hopefully case law too) to rebalance copyright a little more in favour of the public.
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I also hope the gun is loaded with hippo shit when it shoots, preferably at the same time their yap is open talking shite.
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Because they do have thousands of developers with too much time on their hands, that's why.
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Also, I'm really hoping for more stories like this in the future, I'd love to start seeing politicians of both parties getting absolutely brutalized left and right(pun unintended) by these takedown bots more and more, maybe then they'd actually care about doing something about them.
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Never happen. For them it is just a phone call, and their videos get reinstated.
For the rest of us lowly peasants... well, we can just f-off.
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"Stuff it, mankind is not going to be made less intelligent if we have anything to do with it and have shut them all down."
But what about The Hugo Awards ceremony you ask... I'd opine that that was a teething problem brought about most likely by seeing the Doctor, looking him up and seeing what he can do to sentient lifeforms that don't have humanities interests at heart. oh and DALEKS!
On a serious note: Automated and wrongful censorship of politicians is a GOOD thing! Not only is it bringing it home to where they live and affecting there career, it sis also guaranteed to bring a belly laugh to anyone who has been screaming at them for allowing exactly this thing to occur without due diligence or procedural fairness in first place.
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Why assume it was legal?
As the vice president says, "Look, piracy is outright theft. People are out there blatantly stealing from Americans -- stealing their ideas and robbing us of America's creative energies. There's no reason why we should treat intellectual property any different than tangible property."
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/legal-and-management/vice-president-joe-biden-ca lls-piracy-outright-1005136622.story
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Why assume you can pass the Turing Test?
Is that a serious question? Maybe because, I don't know, it was the official live stream of the DNC?
This is almost as insane as when someone filed DMCA takedowns of NASA's Mars lander footage. "When somebody else gets footage of another planet...let me know."
This is the danger of insane, damaging automatic copyright enforcement software that has a chilling effect on free speech and causes tremendous collateral damage on perfectly legal streams like the Hugos, the NASA rover claim, and now the DNC.
It's a crass abuse of the DMCA. It was the inch given, and brutish maximalist thugs took a mile.
Hmmm...automated machines enforcing copyright, you say? Hmmm...Pete Austin, I notice you didn't interact with any of the actual details of the story.
Here's a circumstance where someone who was unambiguously the copyright holder made their materials available online as was well within their rights, and you're seriously wondering if it was infringing? How can the Democrats infringe?
Obviously, due to your lack of interactivity, Pete Austin, you fail the Turing Test. There is only one conclusion: YOU must be a DMCA enforcement program that has somehow learned how to post comments.
As you previously failed the Turing Test, I don't expect an answer, but I must ask: what amount of collateral damage, what amount of stifling of free speech, how many false, fraudulent takedowns of work in the public domain, of removal of works by their actual authors, of deletion without due process or recourse would it take to make you rethink this crazy enforcement scheme left entirely up to badly working software?
How many more killed Hugo award streams, how many more NASA Curiosity rover and DNC takedowns does it have to take before you realize enforcement that can best be described as a blindfolded man shooting a rifle live in a town, is dangerous and destructive?
Better question: should there be a consequence for a false DMCA notice? Any consequence whatsoever? What about for repeat false flag offenders? These are not idle questions. 19 out of every 20 DMCA notices are false flags and fraudulent.
In the country I live in, the basic foundation of jurisprudence is on allowing ten guilty men to go free rather than allow a single innocent man to be wrongly punished. This situation is utterly unacceptable.
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That is a convenient misapplication of criminal trial principles to copyright enforcement. I don't think you are actually that stupid, so I'll chalk it up to disingenuousness.
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Maybe you haven't noticed all the people being criminally charged with copyright violations lately?
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And if material can be taken off at a whim, at least don't use wildly malfunctioning software that kills science fiction's greatest awards, NASA, and a major American political party's content "by accident?"
You're defending a system without any review whatsoever. That's an unjust, exploitative power used to kill free speech...and worse, there's no penalty whatsoever for a fraudulent, false claim - which is, again, what 19/20 of them are. False.
Oh, copyright enforcement is "hard," eh? Tough titties.
How many more times does this have to happen before we realize a power to kill any content at will by big industry running Westworld software is a mistake?
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And who do you think wrote that line for him? Hint: four letters ending in AA. You have a couple of valid choices.
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I can get behind that. Any property that I own that has an ability to make me money through rent, is taxed pretty heavily. They can start paying property tax and cover any enforcement costs. Don't pay your tax? Work goes into the public domain.
They can then pay tax based on what they say the value of the work is.
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Please.
Piracy isn't theft. Unless you refer to piracy on the high seas.
But if you mean copyright infringement, to reiterate it's NOT theft. Nothing is taken. The long and short definition of theft is that someone takes something from someone else and now that person is without.
While you could try and argue that infringing on another's copyright is taking their sole right to copy, you'd still be slightly wrong in trying to equate it to theft simply because while they may no longer be the sole person to have the right to copy they still have said right. As such nothing has been truly taken.
Pete Austin, try again.
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Except for the fact they are different?
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And it doesn't even have to be the same make and model, just any accusation is enough.
That will be fun :)
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A pass for the wealthy and mighty?
Yeah, because only us normal people should suffer at the hands of these killbots. Killbots should like the US justice system be unforgiving to common folk yet give the wealthy and mighty a free pass.
Either apply it to all or to no-one.
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I demand to be a Freetard Ninja Robot Zombie!
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Maybe we should get someone's dead grandmother to file a takedown notice and see the legal system jump into action then?
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>> "If the stream is authorized by, I don't know, the party of the current President of the United States, maybe, just fucking maybe, everything's "above board."
So, the ordinary people can be smacked onto the ground, pissed on, lied to, belittled, but people higher up the ladder should not be inconvenienced???
How on earth will there then ever be an acceptable solution?
The solution will only come from if virtually every video and movie and walk-in-the-forest-by-myself-homevideo are being taken down. If people in charge get the feeling there's a problem. If studios themselves get DMCA notices by the hundreds... But if these people get shielded, then we, the little people, will only sink deeper into the shit.
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Does the claim get matched?
If enough groups uploaded individual speeches in different orders then all the maximalist news organizations could hit three strikes very quickly and they'd *all* end up getting banned.
I guess that's a bit of Hope and Change I can believe in...
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Allow this to continue. Obama signed off on ACTA (despite the fact he doesn't have the authority to do so, since copyright is Congress's turf).
Allow for more and more high profile accounts to be blocked. Not just the Democrats. Have the MPAA and RIAA Youtube accounts be blocked. Let the bots run rampant. These people demanded that Youtube go beyond what the law required. They demanded that ContentID be created. They wanted a shoot first, sort it out later system established.
Let them reap the benefits of constantly being censored.
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First step, get us accustomed
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Phone call ----
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Ferris Bueller..... Bueller...... Buller
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Furthermore, even if you identify something you suspect is infringing, how do you know it is actually infringing?
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Bots...
Stop BOTS Now!
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Well, it sure seems like the system doesn't work. I say it's high time we allow for some personal responsibility and make it easy for YouTube to cooperate with people who want to sue uploaders. That's better than relying upon Content ID.
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I stopped reading from there on... as you are still unable to conduct respectful discussion and can't help insulting and smearing people you disagree with. What a weak mind...
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Wow, bob, I agree with you on that.
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bobby, despite your wishes, the world is not nearly as simple as you'd wish it to be. Surely Youtube can ditch contentid and work closely with copyright holders to close down accounts that are repeat infringers but first we need clearer boundaries to what is infringing and what is not infringing. And you and your bosses need to do a better job in understanding fair use and public domain.
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I don't suppose you'd like to cite anything that proves that? I certainly can't recall anyone here lauding it (outside of the people praising its censorship capabilities, of course). No, ACs don't count, it needs to be a "lackey", a.k.a. someone willing to create a login and is unafraid of people being able to follow their thoughts over time. Strange how the people who attack the site and its users on a regular basis are afraid of doing that, huh?
"I say it's high time we allow for some personal responsibility and make it easy for YouTube to cooperate with people who want to sue uploaders."
Sorry, I forgot you post from an inverse parallel universe where everything is the opposite of reality. You're right, YouTube have never cooperated with anyone ever, and that's certainly not why ContentID exists in the first place. Carry on.
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I don't suppose you'd like to cite anything that proves that? I certainly can't recall anyone here lauding it (outside of the people praising its censorship capabilities, of course).
To be fair, I have both lauded the fact that it *has* introduced a new business model for content creators who want to monetize their content, while at the same time pointing out its many problem in over enforcement.
I think both points are true, though Mr. Black and White seems to think that something must be either all good or all bad, and thus assumes that the few times I've praised on aspect of it (the part that helps people make money) it means that I'm madly in love with all of it. Nuance is not the strong suit of my most ardent critics.
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No, the reason people respond to your YouTube (idiotic) comments is because you say there is no way to screen for copyrighted material.
At which point, Mike and others point out that that is exactly what ContentID does. It is used to screen for infringing material. However, if it still gets through, which is the case, what it also allows is for those infringing videos to still be up AND for every view still give money to the proper copyright holder.
"Don't you know, they say, that YouTube gives money to the original creators this way?"
The way you phrase that makes it seem like you don't believe this is the case, in point of fact, bob the idiot, it very much is. YouTube/Google (because we know you just can't say that word) have managed to provide a revenue stream for people, even while others upload infringing material.
They're literally going above and beyond what the DMCA requires them to do. They don't have to pay you money if something slips through the cracks. They don't have to create something like ContentID for you to be able to tell them what is or isn't yours. Etc. But they do so anyway, at their own expense. And then you have the nerve to say they're not doing enough.
"Well, it sure seems like the system doesn't work."
The system works, albeit in some cases a little too rigorously. However, if they removed the system, they'd have idiots like you ranting and raving (as if you don't already) that Google isn't doing enough to stop rampant infringement on YouTube.
"I say it's high time we allow for some personal responsibility and make it easy for YouTube to cooperate with people who want to sue uploaders."
Well, that may be all well and good and what you believe should be done. But suffice it to say that the law DOES NOT require it. So basically, f*ck you if you don't like.
"That's better than relying upon Content ID."
No, it's really not. Hmm, sue someone who even if you beat in court will never be able to pay you anywhere near whatever you win and alienate/piss off customers in the process? Or, continue using ContentID at no expense to yourself, and with no fear of repercussions should you file take down notices of content that isn't yours, and continue getting money from Google/YouTube for doing absolutely nothing?
It's a no brainer. Unless you're brain dead. Which in your case may be reality.
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What lackeys?
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Ummm. Not catching your drift there bob. When does Google not cooperate with a court order?
If you are advocating abolishing the ability to remain anonymous on the internet, I would think that James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine are all rolling in their graves about now.
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> personal responsibility and make it easy
> for YouTube to cooperate with people who
> want to sue people who make unlawful
> copyright claims
Only if it's applied fairly to everyone. If you want to make it easier for the MPAA to sue Joe Citizen for unlawful copyright infringement, then you better also make it easier for Joe Citizen to hold UMG and Warners and Viacom responsible for filing false takedowns. Those are unlawful copyright claims, too, you know.
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bob, the very people that you believe should have an easier time suing uploaders just happen to be the very same people who are known for abusing the system.
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Best thing that could happen
Abraham Lincoln
We need many more of these "problems", not less. The more it happens to the idiots that actually passed these laws, the more likely they will do something about fixing or repealing them.
Oh but wait, they will just make themselves immune to them like they do most other laws and then all will be good again!
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Wait, where was I going with this?
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Its not a bug, its a feature
The *IAA's and Big Media screamed bloody murder and jumped up and down whining about how they "need" to go above and beyond and weren't doing enough. So Google sat back, went "fine, you got it" and built the system they whined, threatened and cajoled them for.
If you whine and cry that a huge wall needs to be built to keep the invaders out, you can't whine and cry when that same wall locks you IN.
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the arguments of lawyers and engineers
'If the stream is authorized by, I don't know, the party of the current President of the United States, maybe, just fucking maybe, everything's "above board."'
That is a disgusting suggestion.
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Yea cause political parties never use IP without permission
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prior restraint
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Looks like they got the stab in the back from their "Close" friends.
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Uber Kill Bot
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Copyright is in itself a bad thing.
When is it enough with the conflict-based society, really? Can't we transcend it before we destroy the world rather than later?
This absurd situation just highlights how loony we've let things become in the desperate quest for cash. Another one is the on-going situation with Apple-Samsung-Google lawsuits. It's tragicomic to watch them waste so much time and energy on, at the end of the day, nothing.
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But....
Even worse you could act on that opinion, rather than the one's offered by the 'owners' of the content.
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And if the copyright industries had any guts at all, they would not go after Google or YouTube or the odd kid from another country who uploads links to material. They would go after the ISPs. As well as those who sell CDs and DVDs on ebay. Or screw that, just ebay in general.
I'll just lie back and await the inevitable all-or-nothing crowdfunding revolution to take place. At least 80% of Kickstarter's projects are with creative industries such as music, film, books etc - it doesn't surprise me. I'm just waiting for a big band like Radiohead to experiment with it since they've proven before that they can and will experiment with new models, and when they make more money than they could have ever dreamed under a label with countless middlemen I shall laugh and laugh seeing the smile from copyright believers fading from their faces.
... and then be up in arms when they try to lobby governments to get crowdfunding made illegal for supposedly altruistic reasons of protecting the consumer from non-existent get-rich-quick threats. Or accuse Kickstarter of aiding piracy. Or terrorism.
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It's an important tool for independent musicians and filmmakers. Usually you can't block a clip unless a certain amount of it "matches" the content ID.
We normally review clips that match before removing them, or, in some cases, monetizing them (mashups, etc).
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Just because they didn't bother and technology actually caught them, doesn't mean you should blame the rights holders for the miscue.
If the DNC had used NFL footage, they would have had to get clearance too....
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False copyright claims by Believe Digital and others
The Royalty Free music companies are getting a beat down from these sharks and are leery of fighting them.
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You're defending a system without any review whatsoever. That's an unjust, exploitative power used to kill free speech...and worse, there's no penalty whatsoever for a fraudulent, false claim - which is, again, what 19/20 of them are. False.
Oh, copyright enforcement is "hard," eh? Tough titties.
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I can get behind that. Any property that I own that has an ability to make me money through rent, is taxed pretty heavily. They can start paying property tax and cover any enforcement costs. Don't pay your tax? Work goes into the public domain.
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And it's worse now
Sony I understand that you USED to be the biggest greatest electronics company in the world and now you're just considered crap Walmart sells for you to make a quick buck and you went from being badass car stereos and home equipment to being the best alarm clock out there for $10 but this means you're going to make us suffer with your unfair politics? No this isn't right. It's just a big excuse for you to force people to give to your money pit that you no longer have any viable use for by forcing a license of viewership on some thing you could easily post advertisements in and make WAY more money through sponsors but then that's the real trick isn't it? Then you might have to advertise for a competitor. Take your throw away alarm clocks and shove them.
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