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That's why I was asking for examples to know where people were coming from, and I was reacting to the comments here that seems largely to be "Every waiter in LA is an actor; hire one of them for a reasonable salary." That's just not how the business works or ever will work - here or in any other country.
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Not to keep arguing the point, but Alec Guinness was definitely a major star when Star Wars came out, and Spielberg was a major star when ET came out - about as close to a movie star as a film director gets.
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You're right about the caveats, but I was searching for a definition of a star. It seemed like a lot of people in this discussion were thinkikng "I will see a movie just because that person is in it" which limits you to a handful of big actors.
To me a star is simply someone that gives a film legitmacy. Maybe Lord of the Rings didn't need stars. Jackson could have gone to an LA restaurant and grabbed a bunch of waiter/actors, but he hired people we knew because their presence (and talent) legitimized the movie - Elijah Wood, Ian McKellan, Cate Blanchett, Sean Bean, Hugo Weaving, Christopher Lee, and Ian Holm - in the same way Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing legitimized Star Wars (and George Lucas was a bit of a name himself.) Just like Peter Jackson legitimized District 9, and JJ Abrams legitimized Cloverfield.
There are exceptions - once a year maybe a movie will be successful with no stars, like Napoleon Dynamite, but it's such a rare and unpredictable occurance that nobody could build a business model on that.
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Those movies had the clout of JJ Abrams and Peter Jackson behind them - directors and producers can be stars too.
But yes, special effect monster alien movies and horror films and famous books can sometimes get made without stars. However, 95% of the successful movies out there have name actors. Whether that connected to the success of the film or not is debatable, but Hollywood funding and distribution greatly depends on getting recognized actors.
You'd be getting more actors for your money, but good luck getting someone to watch your movie with no actors they've never heard of, good luck getting a distributor, and good luck getting funding.
I'm pretty sure he means that without the star, he can't get the money to make the movie. Even a $5 million movie needs a recognizable actor to get that $5 million. Otherwise you're producing something for less than a million which may or may not even get distributed.
Hurt Locker didn't make money, but it got a best picture nomination. That nomination gave them him the clout to make Zero Dark Thirty, which made more than it's budget AND the Hurt Locker budget combined.
Zero Dark Thirty won best picture, which gave him the clout to turn Dallas Buyers Club - a small $5 million movie - into another profitable Oscar contender that made over 10 times its budget.
Whatever was lost on Hurt Locker has been made back in spades. To scream he's not making money because of piracy is ridiculous.
I would have loved (and paid Hollywood for!) a service like CleanFlicks when my daughter was younger. They already offer clean and explicit songs - why not movies? You'd think a broader market potential would trump artistic integrity.
but oh, it wasn't Hollywood's idea, so it must be destroyed.
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To me a star is simply someone that gives a film legitmacy. Maybe Lord of the Rings didn't need stars. Jackson could have gone to an LA restaurant and grabbed a bunch of waiter/actors, but he hired people we knew because their presence (and talent) legitimized the movie - Elijah Wood, Ian McKellan, Cate Blanchett, Sean Bean, Hugo Weaving, Christopher Lee, and Ian Holm - in the same way Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing legitimized Star Wars (and George Lucas was a bit of a name himself.) Just like Peter Jackson legitimized District 9, and JJ Abrams legitimized Cloverfield.
There are exceptions - once a year maybe a movie will be successful with no stars, like Napoleon Dynamite, but it's such a rare and unpredictable occurance that nobody could build a business model on that.
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But yes, special effect monster alien movies and horror films and famous books can sometimes get made without stars. However, 95% of the successful movies out there have name actors. Whether that connected to the success of the film or not is debatable, but Hollywood funding and distribution greatly depends on getting recognized actors.
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Hurt Locker didn't make money, but it got a best picture nomination. That nomination gave them him the clout to make Zero Dark Thirty, which made more than it's budget AND the Hurt Locker budget combined.
Zero Dark Thirty won best picture, which gave him the clout to turn Dallas Buyers Club - a small $5 million movie - into another profitable Oscar contender that made over 10 times its budget.
Whatever was lost on Hurt Locker has been made back in spades. To scream he's not making money because of piracy is ridiculous.
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but oh, it wasn't Hollywood's idea, so it must be destroyed.
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