Some people might understand English and French but we are talking laws! Did you ever read the whole law book? Or even the Grundgesetz? Most of that stuff doesn't mean what you think it means. Not because you aren't able to read it but because the interpretation is something completely different from what a "normal" person would understand.
Absolutely. I'm a programmer fluent in many programming languages, but I've never managed to understand a tax forms enough to do my own taxes. It looks like English, but it's not. Something reads like, "Oh, that's good for me!" invariably turns out "No, good for them." I get others to do my taxes for me. It keeps them happy and is far safer for me.
Lawyering/legalese is shot through with Latin, a dead language. Yet people complain about the jargon we geeks use to communicate. Doctors (Latin), lawyers (Latin), and mathematicians (Greek) are far worse. They all need a reboot tossing that crap, and it's only about two thousand years overdue!
No offense intended and I don't doubt that it is in there somewhere but do you mind pointing out that part? Maybe in some leaked version or even official statement.
The last I heard, we weren't supposed to even see what's in it until four years after it was ratified and in effect. That may have changed since. I believe this was in one of the WikiLeaks versions. It should be easy to find it there.
Michael Geist (Canadian legal scholar watching this stuff) may have mentioned it as well.
And while you might think "but they should read/speak English" which is of course a valid point the text is law speak after all and for that you often need a translator even if it is in your native language.
Even English translators often won't help when lawyers are speaking Latin.
Don't bother to apologize for your handling of English, by the way. Your understanding of English far exceeds my German. You're coming through here loud and clear. Thanks!
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And please deliver those launch commands for the drones we bought from you for billions ...
It's a little known fact that those launch codes were all set to "00000000" because they didn't want fat fingering to get in the way when Armageddon happened.
large corporations create laws (lobby) that a normal person can't grasp , so why would he/she risk going into a situation without a complete clear understanding of the laws , a lawyer was the artists only choice.
A lawyer was the last choice left to the artists once we gave a profession of liars who speak in a dead language (Latin) the right to handle this for us.
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See, suing for cash is nice and all, but in the end, getting a national audience to know your name and your work may be a better long term move.
Now you're defending copyright infringement?
This is what the pirates say! Study after study proves that pirates/infringers buy (pay for) more copyrighted stuff than non-pirates. It's free promotion for rightsholders which creates more sales ("buzz") of their stuff.
The quick jump to a lawsuit makes me think he is in it way more for a payday than to assert his rights.
Wait a second! He contacted them, and they ignored him. It wasn't until he dragged in a lawyer to threaten them that they deigned to recognize his existence. That's hardly "The quick jump to a lawsuit"!
But, almost without fail, we find examples of copyright maximalists being accused of infringement themselves.
Of course you do, because they are actually out there producing tons of new content every day and sometimes mistakes happen or misunderstandings occur.
So, it's just a sad coincidence that little people get ground into the dust by statutory damages?
What is objectionable here isn't that someone clearly didn't understand what they were doing, but the lack of response by NBC on the subject.
Yes, it is pretty sad that you have to drag a lawyer into it and threaten a lawsuit just to get them to acknowledge your existence.
Now that said, I have to say I have a bit of the problem with the article as it's pretty much not a series of facts, but rather a series of assertions by the defendant.
It's more a littany of past conflicting behavior. They've been all over the map on this, still can't get it right themselves, yet they defend statutory damages and push back with all their might any attempt to change.
It seems to skip over the concept of fair use in Journalism (you know, the fair use you guys trot out all the time for everyone else, but apparently NBC doesn't get any!).
That was in the summing up of the article. Maybe you should have read it before you leapt to tar TD based on a hot button issue of yours.
I also notice that both your article and the Torrentfreak article (great unbiased sources!) fail to mention if the guy filed a DMCA notice with Twitter (and for that matter, to NBC itself).
DMCA is for on-line. This is for broadcast TV. Once it's in viewer's eyeballs, it can't be taken down.
The quick jump to a lawsuit makes me think he is in it way more for a payday than to assert his rights.
Good for him. They walked right into it. They built the trap and he used it on them.
I have suffered irreparable harm and have gained 15 pounds as I try to salvage my now destroyed life.
You should be thankful! Starvation's not fun, you know? They helped you defeat your eating disorder. If you didn't actually suffer from an eating disorder, how were they to know? They meant well I'm sure. Case dismissed!
Statutory damages should be tripled for willful infringement because NBC, being such a staunch copyright defender, should know better.
Not to mention, this was commercial infringement, not a housewife making backups of legitimately purchased works. How much cash did they get from advertisers to blast it out to all those eyeballs? Then there's the malicious assault on children justifying copyright infringement. The horror!
Left hand, right hand ...
When I think of all those businesses out there whose employees sat through days of workshops learning about the sexy new features in the new version of MS Office, why isn't NBC holding workshops to educate their employees on correct handling of copyright issues? Because it's a morass of spaghetti that no one really understands?
Putin doesn't want people learning that he does blow with James Woods.
Who wouldn't if they got the chance?
Seriously? I've watched a few of the things he's done as a movie or TV actor which I thought were well worth seeing. He can be entertaining that way. He's a competent, skilled actor. However, I doubt I'd enjoy ever being in the same room with him from what I've read of his off-screen persona.
Add to that I've never understood what people saw in cocaine or its derivatives. If he's a cokehead, that doesn't speak very highly of him. About the only one of them I ever liked was Sherlock Holmes, and he only did it to fill downtimes, and he was fictional.
If a violent revolutionary group decides to get up and do this for us, at what point will they decide that the revolution is over and they can lay down their arms?
There's your problem.
Yet, it does happen. Myanmar/Burma, South Africa, Soviet Union/Russia, Rwanda, Pakistan, Chile, Argentina, even China's better now than when Mao was around, ...
Yes, it is often very messy, but it's also legitimately part of the natural process of human civilization. Denying it is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Our civil institutions have been hijacked by self-entitled, rapacious thieves and jerks. Do you cower and slink away allowing it to go on, or do you demand justice understanding there will be a price to pay to get it?
I wonder if we're getting the wrong signal about this thing.It's possible that the NFL couldn't give a damn about its copyright in this in order to exploit it. Perhaps they instead view it as an embarrassment which they'd like to see cease to exist?
- Where's the two hour long halftime show with lights and fireworks and wardrobe malfunctions?
- Maybe they don't want to admit that they took money from advertisers who are the competition of current or recent ones.
- Or, maybe there's a shot of one of the linemen taking a bad head and neck jarring hit who's currently suing the NFL, and this would bolster their case.
There are endless alternative possibilities when looked at this way.
This reminds me of What happened to the 'Doctor WHO' series..300 Lost episodes..They searched the World for Copies..and HAPPY to find that people HAD made copies of most of it.
And nothing of any value was gained. Dr. Who: worst SciFi ever.
I'm not on the NFL's side but how can the first sale doctrine apply to something this guy didn't buy in the first place?
Assuming an over the air broadcast, the price was consuming the commercials from advertisers who paid NFL to broadcast it. They were paid. End of story.
Update: Oops. As someone noted in the comments, and which is probably true, the first sale doctrine doesn't apply here since he didn't "buy" the recording in the first place. I'm retracting this claim.
Don't. If he taped it off an on air broadcast, he paid for it by "consuming" the commercials. They were giving it away, paid for by the advertisers who paid them to air it. They've been compensated. It's their own fault they made a stupid deal. Cash is not the only thing worth monetary value. Ask the advertisers.
The NFL gave it away considering, at the time, a copy of it was worth nothing. They defined its value at outset. That he found a way to make what they defined valueless worth something gives them no right to stick their nose into his business.
Perhaps we should start with firing the entire board of regents who hired this nincompoop who dragged the name of a distinguished institution of learning into the mud and sold all of its employees and customers' PII to a commercial third party in an insane and imbecilic abuse of "security" in order to protect the institution itself. I'd love to learn the name of the person who first nominated her for the job. Off with their head!
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Absolutely. I'm a programmer fluent in many programming languages, but I've never managed to understand a tax forms enough to do my own taxes. It looks like English, but it's not. Something reads like, "Oh, that's good for me!" invariably turns out "No, good for them." I get others to do my taxes for me. It keeps them happy and is far safer for me.
Lawyering/legalese is shot through with Latin, a dead language. Yet people complain about the jargon we geeks use to communicate. Doctors (Latin), lawyers (Latin), and mathematicians (Greek) are far worse. They all need a reboot tossing that crap, and it's only about two thousand years overdue!
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The last I heard, we weren't supposed to even see what's in it until four years after it was ratified and in effect. That may have changed since. I believe this was in one of the WikiLeaks versions. It should be easy to find it there.
Michael Geist (Canadian legal scholar watching this stuff) may have mentioned it as well.
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Even English translators often won't help when lawyers are speaking Latin.
Don't bother to apologize for your handling of English, by the way. Your understanding of English far exceeds my German. You're coming through here loud and clear. Thanks!
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It's a little known fact that those launch codes were all set to "00000000" because they didn't want fat fingering to get in the way when Armageddon happened.
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A lawyer was the last choice left to the artists once we gave a profession of liars who speak in a dead language (Latin) the right to handle this for us.
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Now you're defending copyright infringement?
This is what the pirates say! Study after study proves that pirates/infringers buy (pay for) more copyrighted stuff than non-pirates. It's free promotion for rightsholders which creates more sales ("buzz") of their stuff.
Glad you've finally come around to see the light.
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Wait a second! He contacted them, and they ignored him. It wasn't until he dragged in a lawyer to threaten them that they deigned to recognize his existence. That's hardly "The quick jump to a lawsuit"!
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So, it's just a sad coincidence that little people get ground into the dust by statutory damages?
Yes, it is pretty sad that you have to drag a lawyer into it and threaten a lawsuit just to get them to acknowledge your existence.
It's more a littany of past conflicting behavior. They've been all over the map on this, still can't get it right themselves, yet they defend statutory damages and push back with all their might any attempt to change.
That was in the summing up of the article. Maybe you should have read it before you leapt to tar TD based on a hot button issue of yours.
DMCA is for on-line. This is for broadcast TV. Once it's in viewer's eyeballs, it can't be taken down.
Good for him. They walked right into it. They built the trap and he used it on them.
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You should be thankful! Starvation's not fun, you know? They helped you defeat your eating disorder. If you didn't actually suffer from an eating disorder, how were they to know? They meant well I'm sure. Case dismissed!
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Not to mention, this was commercial infringement, not a housewife making backups of legitimately purchased works. How much cash did they get from advertisers to blast it out to all those eyeballs? Then there's the malicious assault on children justifying copyright infringement. The horror!
Left hand, right hand ...
When I think of all those businesses out there whose employees sat through days of workshops learning about the sexy new features in the new version of MS Office, why isn't NBC holding workshops to educate their employees on correct handling of copyright issues? Because it's a morass of spaghetti that no one really understands?
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Seriously? I've watched a few of the things he's done as a movie or TV actor which I thought were well worth seeing. He can be entertaining that way. He's a competent, skilled actor. However, I doubt I'd enjoy ever being in the same room with him from what I've read of his off-screen persona.
Add to that I've never understood what people saw in cocaine or its derivatives. If he's a cokehead, that doesn't speak very highly of him. About the only one of them I ever liked was Sherlock Holmes, and he only did it to fill downtimes, and he was fictional.
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Yet, it does happen. Myanmar/Burma, South Africa, Soviet Union/Russia, Rwanda, Pakistan, Chile, Argentina, even China's better now than when Mao was around, ...
Yes, it is often very messy, but it's also legitimately part of the natural process of human civilization. Denying it is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Our civil institutions have been hijacked by self-entitled, rapacious thieves and jerks. Do you cower and slink away allowing it to go on, or do you demand justice understanding there will be a price to pay to get it?
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Super Bowels. Eww.
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Not. Believing that is like being proud you're a bed wetter. Modern kids are embarrassed their parents use it.
Add in the Zuckerberg back story, and you start to verge on Microsoftian level evil.
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Copyright? What about embarrassment instead?
- Where's the two hour long halftime show with lights and fireworks and wardrobe malfunctions?
- Maybe they don't want to admit that they took money from advertisers who are the competition of current or recent ones.
- Or, maybe there's a shot of one of the linemen taking a bad head and neck jarring hit who's currently suing the NFL, and this would bolster their case.
There are endless alternative possibilities when looked at this way.
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And nothing of any value was gained. Dr. Who: worst SciFi ever.
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Assuming an over the air broadcast, the price was consuming the commercials from advertisers who paid NFL to broadcast it. They were paid. End of story.
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First sale, yes.
Don't. If he taped it off an on air broadcast, he paid for it by "consuming" the commercials. They were giving it away, paid for by the advertisers who paid them to air it. They've been compensated. It's their own fault they made a stupid deal. Cash is not the only thing worth monetary value. Ask the advertisers.
The NFL gave it away considering, at the time, a copy of it was worth nothing. They defined its value at outset. That he found a way to make what they defined valueless worth something gives them no right to stick their nose into his business.
Ridiculous is right.
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Who hired her?
What a mess.
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