NBC, Filthy Pirates, Sued Over Use Of Photographer's Work Without Permission
from the live-by-the-copyright,-die-by-the-copyrigfht dept
NBC has made its views on piracy quite well-known over the years. For instance, we all know that it thinks that piracy is the most horrible damned thing that exists on this planet, so much so that it would please like ISPs to act as its personal police force. Oh, and because NBC also just cares so much -- could we all just have our kids take a break from learning about stuff to listen to how awesome copyright is for a while? Also, however, piracy is pretty sweet when it's convenient for NBC, or when it doesn't want to bother coming up with its own images for its websites.
And so it goes, with NBC recently on the receiving end of a copyright suit over The Today Show's use of a photographer's work, not only without permission, but while happily giving credit to the wrong party on top of it.
Photographer Alexander Stross filed a lawsuit at a Texas federal court accusing the Today Show of infringing his work through multiple venues. In the complaint (pdf) Stross explains that a series of photos he took of micro houses in Texas gained mainstream new attention earlier this year. It was also covered in a segment of The Today Show, reaching an audience of millions of people.The credit on the photograph on the website went to Matt Garcia Design, the architect of the house, which is not of course how copyrights on photographs work. You would think this is something that NBC would know, seeing as how it is the arbiter of all things copyright, to the point that it insists on being consulted on how copyright is taught within our schools. Oh, and The Today Show actually mentioned Stross as the photographer who produced the photos in its segment, so there's that.
However, the photos shown on air were used without permission from the photographer. In addition, one of the photos was posted in a tweet without attribution, which is still online today. A day later this coverage was followed by an article on The Today Show website, again featuring the infringing photos. To make matters worse these were credited to a third party.
When Stross learned of the use, he first attempted to contact NBC, but received no response. Then he tried again, and was likewise ignored. It took Stross hiring a lawyer to get NBC to respond in any way. NBC then attempted to say it had gotten permission to use the photographs from the architect, except its evidence of this seems to indicate it only attempted to do so after the infringing use.None of that seems to equate to permission to use the photographs offered by Matt Garcia Design, which doesn't really matter since the architect doesn't hold the copyright for the photographs. To be clear, NBC may have a reasonable fair use defense here, but that's not what it claimed when originally approached at all (though it likely will in the lawsuit). And given NBC's past insistence on being purely copyright maximalist (and even fighting back against fair use at times), it's yet another situation in which a company or individual who attacks others screaming copyright infringement may not actually have cleaned up its own house first.
When contacted by counsel, Defendant claimed to have obtained the Photographs - and advance permission to use them - from architect Matt Garcia. Upon information and belief, neither is true. Rather, correspondence provided to Plaintiff by Defendant, reflects the following:
• On May 8, 2012: Amy Eley -- a producer working for Defendant -- requested press materials and photographs from Mr. Garcia, who replied that he had a photo shoot coming up, and asked her to wait until they were finished. There appears to have been no further correspondence between Ms. Eley and Mr. Garcia.
• At 2:17 p.m. on May 12, 2015: after Defendant ran the On-Air Segment; after it posted the Tweet; and after it published the Web Article -- a freelance writer named Julie Pennell contacted Garcia and informed him that she was writing a piece on the houses for Today.com. She asked if new photographs had been taken, and whether she could use them (failing to advise Garcia that Defendant had already used the Photographs). Garcia informed Pennell that the scheduled photo shoot had been cancelled, and asked if she would like copies of other photographs that he had -- which happened to be Stross’ Photographs.
Look, it's quite easy to commit copyright infringement. People do it all the time, often without ever even realizing it, as they go about their days doing their jobs and living their lives. But NBC simply can't put itself out as the copyright police -- or even suggest that it's somehow "easy" for others to properly recognize what's infringing and what's not -- while at the same time finding itself on the defendant end of these kinds of lawsuits. And that's really the key point here. Copyright maximalists like to assume that infringement is a black or white issue, that it's obvious and that it's obviously "bad." But, almost without fail, we find examples of copyright maximalists being accused of infringement themselves. And that's because it's not at all easy to detect, and quite easy to infringe without realizing it. And when you can so easily accidentally break a law that can lead to massive damages, it certainly suggests that perhaps it's time for reform. But, somehow, I'm betting that NBC Universal will continue to push in the other direction, even as it faces down this lawsuit.
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Filed Under: alexander stross, copyright, fair use, nbc, photograph, today show
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Not to mention, this was commercial infringement, not a housewife making backups of legitimately purchased works. How much cash did they get from advertisers to blast it out to all those eyeballs? Then there's the malicious assault on children justifying copyright infringement. The horror!
Left hand, right hand ...
When I think of all those businesses out there whose employees sat through days of workshops learning about the sexy new features in the new version of MS Office, why isn't NBC holding workshops to educate their employees on correct handling of copyright issues? Because it's a morass of spaghetti that no one really understands?
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I need a lawyer.
I need a great lawyer to sue NBC. Once I read this news of what NBC has done I have been unable to work due to the extreme trama. I have suffered irreparable harm and have gained 15 pounds as I try to salvage my now destroyed life. After speaking with a medical professional (Google). I feel the only way NBC can make this right is by a small amount of money say 20 million. And just a small percentage of the parent company, say 51%. Please represent me...
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You should be thankful! Starvation's not fun, you know? They helped you defeat your eating disorder. If you didn't actually suffer from an eating disorder, how were they to know? They meant well I'm sure. Case dismissed!
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Rank hath its privileges
If NBC is the copyright police then they are above the law. Just ask any cop.
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One definition of the word rank would not let one get close enough to make such a determination, depending on the strength of the rankness, and wind direction.
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Of course you do, because they are actually out there producing tons of new content every day and sometimes mistakes happen or misunderstandings occur. What is objectionable here isn't that someone clearly didn't understand what they were doing, but the lack of response by NBC on the subject.
Now that said, I have to say I have a bit of the problem with the article as it's pretty much not a series of facts, but rather a series of assertions by the defendant. It seems to skip over the concept of fair use in Journalism (you know, the fair use you guys trot out all the time for everyone else, but apparently NBC doesn't get any!).
I also notice that both your article and the Torrentfreak article (great unbiased sources!) fail to mention if the guy filed a DMCA notice with Twitter (and for that matter, to NBC itself). If not, why did he fail a basic step to asset his rights? The quick jump to a lawsuit makes me think he is in it way more for a payday than to assert his rights.
NBC certainly appears to be in the wrong here (and yes, they should pay for it if they are), but the photographer seems to be quick with the lawyers and seems to have missed a couple of steps along the way that could have resolved the issues at hand within the framework of the DMCA for all of the online material.
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If someone infringes his works doesn't he have a legal right to damages? So ... isn't he asserting those legal rights?
"the photographer seems to be quick with the lawyers"
I feel like you didn't read the article.
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"When Stross learned of the use, he first attempted to contact NBC, but received no response. Then he tried again, and was likewise ignored."
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"and seems to have missed a couple of steps along the way that could have resolved the issues at hand within the framework of the DMCA for all of the online material."
You assume he wants to assert the DMCA. What if, instead, he wants to assert damages? Or a direct injunction? Does the law not allow for this?
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"It seems to skip over the concept of fair use in Journalism"
So what? It's not like the law offers much punishment for frivolous infringement lawsuits. It's only fair, if the big players can file bogus takedown requests and lawsuits so could the little guys. Do you have a problem with this? Or do you think the law should offer the same protections to those on the receiving end of bogus takedown requests (including artists) and lawsuits as those who get protected works infringed upon.
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I don't asset it's unreasonable, I am suggesting that he didn't touch all the bases and certainly didn't take steps that could have stopped the infringement more quickly.
"It's only fair, if the big players can file bogus takedown requests and lawsuits so could the little guys."
if he had files a takedown request, you may be correct. But He went from zero to "here's my lawyer" without using any of the other remedies available to stop the infringement as quickly as possible.
Remember too, I do think NBC is in the wrong and should pay out the ass for it (it's only fitting). I just think that this photographer is working a little too hard to turn it into a meal ticket - the same sort of stuff you guys shame other content owners for all the time. Why is this guy special?
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Then why bring it up?
"working a little too hard to turn it into a meal ticket"
Which, in your world view and in the world view of NBC, is perfectly fine. Why do you care? Are you suggesting that copy protection statutory damages should be reduced?
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NBC's actions in response to the accusation aren't really the point of the article. The point is that "Copyright maximalists like to assume that infringement is a black or white issue, that it's obvious and that it's obviously "bad." But, almost without fail, we find examples of copyright maximalists being accused of infringement themselves."
NBC and friends repeatedly claim that not only is piracy bad, but apparently piracy is easy to identify and easy to avoid by just doing the right thing... except oops. Rather than tightening up all of the rules that nobody but a copyright lawyer can follow anyway, or increasing the punishments that are already so far beyond reasonable that they are a joke... perhaps everybody would benefit from unwinding this knot a bit?
How much? I don't know. But it would be nice if it was even an option to discuss, rather than the non-stop ratcheting of stronger IP protections and damages. I mean, if "producing tons of new content every day" means that "sometimes mistakes happen or misunderstandings occur" then shouldn't the law take that into account?
You mean the bit that says "To be clear, NBC may have a reasonable fair use defense here, but that's not what it claimed when originally approached at all (though it likely will in the lawsuit)."?
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Really, the story should be "photographer doesn't understand Fair Use, unwisely sics lawyers on big media". Instead, it's pretty much a lame attempt to slam NBC (and support torrentfreak's biased coverage).
"NBC and friends repeatedly claim that not only is piracy bad, but apparently piracy is easy to identify and easy to avoid by just doing the right thing... except oops."
NBC cannot stop someone from filing a lawsuit that may turn out to be frivolous. Fair use is the fine stripe of grey between the black and white of copyright, and journalism (especially big media journalism) is one of the clearer examples. It's an equally funny thing then that the lawyer claims to be well versed in copyright. You would think that he would have advised his client that he might not have a leg to stand on.
My feeling is with the tabled turned the other way, the story would read about the horrible copyright bully trying to stop some guy from tweeting images.
I stick with my point too, the guy would likely have gotten way more action with a DMCA notice to Twitter...
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The mention of fair use isn't central to the story, because fair use doesn't really have any bearing on the story.
If NBC had attributed the photos correctly, and/or if they had mentioned their fair use claim when contacted by the photographer, rather than falsely claiming that they had obtained permission for use, then this might be a story about fair use.
Emphasis mine... because you've almost hit on the point of the article here. Sure, NBC did the wrong thing by misattributing the photo and not responding when the photographer tried to contact them, but does this really justify a lawsuit? Remember that this is the normal that the likes of NBC are trying to promote, if not extend.
And I have a feeling that you'd be here telling us that there's no problem, that the guy will be able to defend his fair use claims in court, and if his use was really fair then no foul, right?
So the guy tries to contact the company directly to talk about the use of his photos, but you think that the thing he did wrong was going to the courts rather than taking down the Today Show? He didn't want the photos down, he just wants to be paid for their use.
Protip: When an article is talking about how broken the system is, it doesn't necessarily help to bring up another broken part of the system.
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It has a huge bearing on the story. There is no real need to attribute an image under fair use. It's something done out of courtesy, not legal requirement as far as I can tell. NBC made a mistake on the attribution, and that's not good - but it's also not fatal.
"And I have a feeling that you'd be here telling us that there's no problem, that the guy will be able to defend his fair use claims in court, and if his use was really fair then no foul, right?"
NO, NO NO! God, how many times do I have to repeat this? Fair use is a valid response to a DMCA claim. It's the type of response that means your ISP, hosting company, or whatever don't have to take any action because ou have responded to the DMCA with a potentially valid legal claim. There would only be a court case if, after informed of the fair use claim, the copyright holder still feels the need to move forward and sue (ie, doesn't feel fair use applies). Most copyright holders with a decent lawyer would think twice before taking someone to court who has what appears to be a reasonable fair use claim.
Claiming fair use doesn't immediately lead to court. Of course, in this case, because the guy went nuclear and sent the lawyer in, it's very likely that it would go to court if he wants to even try to get what he feels is his legal rights. It's why the lawyers should never be the first step, he's pretty much boxed himself in now.
"So the guy tries to contact the company directly to talk about the use of his photos"
The problem here is that he apparently didn't do a very good job. The DMCA notice would have been the perfect tool for the job here, because it has a very short fuse and would need to be attended to directly. Selecting the nuclear option (lawsuit) is a very big weapon to fix what is a very small problem - and potentially not even a problem.
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And now for the million dollar question: In that situation, where things were reversed and NBC was going after some guy tweeting images for similar reasons, would your stance change?
Would you still be claiming that NBC was going overboard, that their lawyer was clearly lacking in knowledge of fair use and 'didn't have a leg to stand on', that it's unreasonable for someone to know the copyright status of a work and that filing a lawsuit against them for a mistake was excessive? Or would all that 'It's a mistake, and even if it wasn't it's still Fair Use' arguments be thrown aside as you claimed that it's his own fault for using NBC's photos without permission?
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So, it's just a sad coincidence that little people get ground into the dust by statutory damages?
Yes, it is pretty sad that you have to drag a lawyer into it and threaten a lawsuit just to get them to acknowledge your existence.
It's more a littany of past conflicting behavior. They've been all over the map on this, still can't get it right themselves, yet they defend statutory damages and push back with all their might any attempt to change.
That was in the summing up of the article. Maybe you should have read it before you leapt to tar TD based on a hot button issue of yours.
DMCA is for on-line. This is for broadcast TV. Once it's in viewer's eyeballs, it can't be taken down.
Good for him. They walked right into it. They built the trap and he used it on them.
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Wait a second! He contacted them, and they ignored him. It wasn't until he dragged in a lawyer to threaten them that they deigned to recognize his existence. That's hardly "The quick jump to a lawsuit"!
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NBC clearly is in the wrong here, but there are many remedies that could give this guy way more satisfaction than feeding most of a settlement to the lawyers.
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This could have been solved in a single exchange...
"Hey, it seems you used my photos in your show, and while I wouldn't mind the publicity normally, you credited them to the wrong person, which means know one knows I'm the one who took them."
"Oh, terribly sorry, we'll fix that right away, sorry for the mistake."
...but by brushing him aside when he tried the simple route, they basically forced his hand if he wanted them to pay attention to what he was saying.
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"oh terribly sorry, but we got those images from another sources, and they have been attributed. thanks for playing".
You see, we don't know what he was really asking for on the phone. Perhaps he was being unreasonable. Perhaps he was talking to the wrong people. Perhaps he wanted his name in lights. We don't know any of that.
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You said
"the photographer seems to be quick with the lawyers"
"It's why the lawyers should never be the first step"
"wouldn't his better move be to get the Today show to do ANOTHER segment and invite him on to talk about it a bit more, and to expand on what he has captured?"
You protest commenting on something when we we don't know everything yet you are the one that's commenting that he was quick to contact a lawyer (even when the article states he tried to contact NBC first) without knowing how much effort he put into trying to settle the matter before contacting a lawyer.
The story is based on what we do know and not what we don't. If more comes out it can be discussed then.
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Which would be a deliberate falsehood and meaningless, especially given that they'd intentionally removed the copyright notice embedded in the photo and replaced it with his name somewhere near it in one instance, no attribution at all in another, and 'Courtesy of Matt Garcia Design' in the last instance. At the very least in two out of the three examples they knew full well that Garcia wasn't the right person.
You see, we don't know what he was really asking for on the phone. Perhaps he was being unreasonable. Perhaps he was talking to the wrong people. Perhaps he wanted his name in lights. We don't know any of that.
Or perhaps they didn't care until he decided to hire a lawyer, and even then they lied by claiming that a) they believed that Garcia owned the photos, and b) claiming that Garcia had given them advanced permission to use them.
When Stross learned of the use, he first attempted to contact NBC, but received no response. Then he tried again, and was likewise ignored. It took Stross hiring a lawyer to get NBC to respond in any way. NBC then attempted to say it had gotten permission to use the photographs from the architect, except its evidence of this seems to indicate it only attempted to do so after the infringing use.
• On May 8, 2012: Amy Eley -- a producer working for Defendant -- requested press materials and photographs from Mr. Garcia, who replied that he had a photo shoot coming up, and asked her to wait until they were finished. There appears to have been no further correspondence between Ms. Eley and Mr. Garcia.
• At 2:17 p.m. on May 12, 2015: after Defendant ran the On-Air Segment; after it posted the Tweet; and after it published the Web Article -- a freelance writer named Julie Pennell contacted Garcia and informed him that she was writing a piece on the houses for Today.com. She asked if new photographs had been taken, and whether she could use them (failing to advise Garcia that Defendant had already used the Photographs). Garcia informed Pennell that the scheduled photo shoot had been cancelled, and asked if she would like copies of other photographs that he had -- which happened to be Stross’ Photographs.
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He doesn't.
And all your comments show exactly what a hypocrite you are.
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Now you're defending copyright infringement?
This is what the pirates say! Study after study proves that pirates/infringers buy (pay for) more copyrighted stuff than non-pirates. It's free promotion for rightsholders which creates more sales ("buzz") of their stuff.
Glad you've finally come around to see the light.
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A lawyer was the last choice left to the artists once we gave a profession of liars who speak in a dead language (Latin) the right to handle this for us.
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