But who decides what the choices are? The artists? The labels? The legislators?
NO. It's the market that should decide. It should NOT be up to the artists, labels and legislators to force specific business models on the market, it should be up to the market to accept or reject business models.
"How many exceptions must we list before we show that it's possible to make your own success if you understand business models and give fans what they want?"
So, you have a problem with artists:
1) understanding the business side of their profession, and
2) giving their fans what they want.
Frankly, that is hardly the "new way", it's just the way it was before the middlemen, and it's the better way not because it's "new" but because neither artists or fans get taken for a ride.
Compare that to the IT industry. Google alone has a market cap of over $180bn.
Seriously, cut the TSA and you're 1/6 to making up the difference.
It's just too much ado about nothing. I can't believe we're putting up with things like internet censorship for an industry this size. What are the politicians even thinking?? -- especially when the protectionist laws they're making are getting in the way of innovations like YouTube, Bittorrent, Google Books...
Have you guys not been paying attention? Seal Team Six was sent in by Disney to seize Bin Laden's illegal stash of copyrighted porn. There were even Twitter reports that Mickey Mouse was part of the team.
"Needless to say, you have no idea what you're talking about."
Doesn't he?
"I hate to break this to you, but the record labels aren't going anywhere, and certainly aren't going to be extinct. There are probably more labels now, than ever before. Yes, 4 corporations own all the major labels now, but there are more indies than ever."
With the recording industry reportedly dwindling in size and an increase in the number of record labels, you have a greater number of people trying to share a shrinking pie. Basic math doesn't lie: there's a bright future for that profession, so let's all start record labels!
"Bands have no interest whatsoever in doing everything themselves and on the internet. They won't get very far that way."
Speak for yourself. There are tens of thousands of bands doing just that, going it alone, releasing music under CC licenses and encouraging people to share it.
Just look at the hundreds of thousands of songs on Jamendo. If they aren't getting anywhere doing that, why are such overwhelming numbers of musicians doing it? Can you picture this in ten years?
"That's why bands try to get signed to labels. Always have, always will."
The world is ALWAYS changing. If you ever think it's stopped changing, it's because you've been left behind.
I don't think this is ironic: since Wikileaks isn't opposed to secrets, just secrets being used to hide government and corporate corruption, it's fair enough that they like to keep some things secret. I guess they are protecting their sources, like journalists usually do, and this document is proof they are being professional about their work.
I do think this is ironic: Wikileaks opponents scream that "Wikileaks is dumping hundreds of thousands of documents and putting people in danger!" and then the same people scream about "irony" when it turns out Wikileaks makes people handling sensitive material sign a CDA to avoid releasing unredacted documents.
Zounds! I thought Roderick 33:40 was the part that said "All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."
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I make a car, sell it, I want to control who drives it and where.
I make a house, sell it, I want to control who lives in it.
I write a song, sell it, I want to control who listens to it, sings it.
Complete control over other people's property is messed up.
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NO. It's the market that should decide. It should NOT be up to the artists, labels and legislators to force specific business models on the market, it should be up to the market to accept or reject business models.
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"How many exceptions must we list before we show that it's possible to make your own success if you understand business models and give fans what they want?"
So, you have a problem with artists:
1) understanding the business side of their profession, and
2) giving their fans what they want.
Frankly, that is hardly the "new way", it's just the way it was before the middlemen, and it's the better way not because it's "new" but because neither artists or fans get taken for a ride.
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That's 60 billion out of 14 trillion, or 0.4%.
Compare that to the IT industry. Google alone has a market cap of over $180bn.
Seriously, cut the TSA and you're 1/6 to making up the difference.
It's just too much ado about nothing. I can't believe we're putting up with things like internet censorship for an industry this size. What are the politicians even thinking?? -- especially when the protectionist laws they're making are getting in the way of innovations like YouTube, Bittorrent, Google Books...
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Then again, maybe it's tiny? The US GDP is 14 TRillion. All this copyright-let's-kill-the-internet horseshit is over such a tiny industry.
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If that didn't get him his (well-deserved) fame, I don't know what did.
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Doesn't he?
"I hate to break this to you, but the record labels aren't going anywhere, and certainly aren't going to be extinct. There are probably more labels now, than ever before. Yes, 4 corporations own all the major labels now, but there are more indies than ever."
With the recording industry reportedly dwindling in size and an increase in the number of record labels, you have a greater number of people trying to share a shrinking pie. Basic math doesn't lie: there's a bright future for that profession, so let's all start record labels!
"Bands have no interest whatsoever in doing everything themselves and on the internet. They won't get very far that way."
Speak for yourself. There are tens of thousands of bands doing just that, going it alone, releasing music under CC licenses and encouraging people to share it.
Just look at the hundreds of thousands of songs on Jamendo. If they aren't getting anywhere doing that, why are such overwhelming numbers of musicians doing it? Can you picture this in ten years?
"That's why bands try to get signed to labels. Always have, always will."
The world is ALWAYS changing. If you ever think it's stopped changing, it's because you've been left behind.
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Today it's done with copyrighted video. Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
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I do think this is ironic: Wikileaks opponents scream that "Wikileaks is dumping hundreds of thousands of documents and putting people in danger!" and then the same people scream about "irony" when it turns out Wikileaks makes people handling sensitive material sign a CDA to avoid releasing unredacted documents.
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Hell, all three apply, so you can mix and match.
It's a rapid vapid rabid desire to criticize.
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Insight: 10. Execution: 10!
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