An internet company would have to be insane to do any sort of business in Italy given this sort of thing. They should all pull out as a form of protest, and I'm sure there are lots of countries that would gladly have them.
I'm surprised people are having trouble finding that. I found it just by sticking "one soul thrust 1st download" into Google.
Looking at the results in a bit more detail, it does indeed appear that this is a scene group release of the band's music. There aren't many real links to files, but those that seem 'legit' do link to file-lockers, to a file about 80MB. Sounds about right for a low-quality mp3 rip. I really don't care enough to download and check, maybe other people here are more into that sort of thing.
Another thing that you can discover by examining the results is that they are all forum posts. A handy thing about forums is that they keep track of how many times each thread was viewed. While the download number is most likely smaller than the number of thread views, each of the ~5 forums seems to have about 20 views. That adds up to a number near zero.
In summary: No such torrent. Was released by scene group, nobody cared. No 100,000 downloads.
Creation and consumption of content are limited. The copying (publishing) of content isn't any longer, but it used to be as long as copies had to be made on physical media.
Re: it could have gone to much more productive uses
Nobody cares what home OS you use. That's totally your choice, your money and your problem.
I do care how my taxpayer money is spent, however, and I do mind if my cup of coffee (or whatever) costs 10% more because the producers, distributors, credit card companies (etc etc) are using super-overpriced software and are passing the costs down to me.
I think Mike took "the swarm" to mean the tracker. I think they mean "the group that was sharing a certain file".
Basically, it's a trick to get around jurisdiction issues by suing the individuals as a group of conspirators instead of a group of unconnected infringers. Hopefully the courts will see through it... but they might not if they get another technologically clueless and/or corrupt judge.
Can you please read TFA before you take a shit in the comments?
Moody is British. He argues that by paying stupid prices to a foreign company when alternatives exist at 10% the cost, money disappears needlessly from the British economy.
Actually, there is something that can be done about that last point. Send free copies of the short pdf to politicians, to people in academia (especially economists), to lobbyists working for the tech industry, and to consumer protection organisations/lobby groups.
- The report is called "Media piracy in emerging economies". It sounds irrelevant in discussions about enforcement in developed economies.
- The report is too long. The first part ("Rethinking Piracy", the first 70 pages by Karaganis) is what people need to read.
- The $8 paywall, even though put up ironically or whatever, is keeping people away.
- The politicians have already made the choice to increase enforcement, because so far they've only been listening to one side of the debate. Changing their tune now requires effort.
So. There is nothing that can be done about the last point, but for the rest: I suggest the authors of the report take out the first part and put it in a separate pdf, which they give away for free under a different title (such as "Rethinking Piracy"). Put the pdf under a CC license and let people share it freely.
Mike, if you've been in contact with them please make the suggestion.
I made an identical post only a couple of weeks ago to an AC (possibly the same AC) spewing the same identical stupid shit in the same identical you-are-pirates condescending tone.
We're going around in circles with these ACs. They stifle conversation by flamebaiting us into going over the same things again and again and again...
The study is talking about commercial music publishing, not music in general.
From this, we know that file-sharing has not reduced demand for new commercial music, however we simply don't have any data about what effect copyright enforcement is having on the 'underground' music scene.
We do know that in many cases, underground musicians like Kutiman exist in spite of copyright law, and you should keep in mind that fair use only exists in the US.
New artists are still launching careers at rates comparable to the pre-Napster era, and most indicatively, more successful post-Napster artists are from indie labels.
While your assertion may apply to the study's first finding (or, may not, since we're actually talking about a consensus of expert opinions), it does not apply to its quantitative findings.
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Looking at the results in a bit more detail, it does indeed appear that this is a scene group release of the band's music. There aren't many real links to files, but those that seem 'legit' do link to file-lockers, to a file about 80MB. Sounds about right for a low-quality mp3 rip. I really don't care enough to download and check, maybe other people here are more into that sort of thing.
Another thing that you can discover by examining the results is that they are all forum posts. A handy thing about forums is that they keep track of how many times each thread was viewed. While the download number is most likely smaller than the number of thread views, each of the ~5 forums seems to have about 20 views. That adds up to a number near zero.
In summary: No such torrent. Was released by scene group, nobody cared. No 100,000 downloads.
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Re: it could have gone to much more productive uses
I do care how my taxpayer money is spent, however, and I do mind if my cup of coffee (or whatever) costs 10% more because the producers, distributors, credit card companies (etc etc) are using super-overpriced software and are passing the costs down to me.
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You kidding? It's the lawyers' wet dream: everyone loses, but they make shitloads of money.
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Re: Conspiracy charge...
Basically, it's a trick to get around jurisdiction issues by suing the individuals as a group of conspirators instead of a group of unconnected infringers. Hopefully the courts will see through it... but they might not if they get another technologically clueless and/or corrupt judge.
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Moody is British. He argues that by paying stupid prices to a foreign company when alternatives exist at 10% the cost, money disappears needlessly from the British economy.
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Here's Mitch Bainwall's:
http://mediaresearchhub.ssrc.org/person.2006-06-21.043824-4/person_view
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Fight fire with fire.
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- The report is called "Media piracy in emerging economies". It sounds irrelevant in discussions about enforcement in developed economies.
- The report is too long. The first part ("Rethinking Piracy", the first 70 pages by Karaganis) is what people need to read.
- The $8 paywall, even though put up ironically or whatever, is keeping people away.
- The politicians have already made the choice to increase enforcement, because so far they've only been listening to one side of the debate. Changing their tune now requires effort.
So. There is nothing that can be done about the last point, but for the rest: I suggest the authors of the report take out the first part and put it in a separate pdf, which they give away for free under a different title (such as "Rethinking Piracy"). Put the pdf under a CC license and let people share it freely.
Mike, if you've been in contact with them please make the suggestion.
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Has this made anyone else imagine Rupert Murdoch naked? Can somebody please pass me the mind-bleach when they're done with it? Ugh.
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We're going around in circles with these ACs. They stifle conversation by flamebaiting us into going over the same things again and again and again...
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To me it sounds like your idea of FUD is it's all criticism you have no arguments against.
"FUD. Snore. But piracy! It's the law!! LOL!!!"
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From this, we know that file-sharing has not reduced demand for new commercial music, however we simply don't have any data about what effect copyright enforcement is having on the 'underground' music scene.
We do know that in many cases, underground musicians like Kutiman exist in spite of copyright law, and you should keep in mind that fair use only exists in the US.
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New artists are still launching careers at rates comparable to the pre-Napster era, and most indicatively, more successful post-Napster artists are from indie labels.
While your assertion may apply to the study's first finding (or, may not, since we're actually talking about a consensus of expert opinions), it does not apply to its quantitative findings.
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