Case in point... I got dinged in a small accident while backing out of my driveway (yeah, my bad). The woman who I 'backed into' starts ranting and raving about how I'm not supposed to back into the right-of-way (which is kind of correct) and that I should drive into my front yard to turn around to enter the ROW. She KNOWS these things because she's... wait for it...
A LAWYER [ominous music here]
Well, after the claim played out, her 'occupation' changed from lawyer to teacher, down to Special Education assistant. She has tried to claim (CLEARLY) past injuries to my (veeeery) low speed collision, and in my opinion, is towing the line of insurance fraud.
But take a wild guess on how far back my eyes rolled when she said "I know this because I'm a lawyer".
Your example assumes that everyone will access the image, and everyone will understand the relevance and 'break the plot twist' (which, is that even relevant for a movie based on a book that's already been read by the fans? Hey... did you know Snape kills Dumbledore?!), and that as a result of all that, no one will go and see the movie.
Would the people designing the secret be pissed that they worked their butts off for 'nothing'? Probably. Will that adversely affect the box-office results? Probably not... at least, a lot less than you seem to be implying.
In closing, your example is a rather silly and ungrounded ‘what-if’. While such rhetorical discussions are fun around the coffee table, they really don’t do much for reality.
Dark & Brooding fail. Or he's trying to stomach the fact that he went from being character with an interesting role and death in the HP franchise to this.
well, according to propriety, only if he's quoting someone using [sic] the way we're talking and wants to point out that the [sic] was used there by the original author.
But then again, there are some parts of proper[sic] grammar I could care less about... some of it, like "don't end a sentence with a preposition" makes me [sick]. (sorry, couldn't resist).
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I agree, but why bring 'reality' into it when rhetoric and poorly-interpreted, questionably-run research will help slake greed SO much better (and quicker, in the short run)?
That's actually why I haven't played the Tron: Legacy game. I'm hesitant that it would be worth the price (even the used-game price), but they don't have a demo of it for the 360. Maybe I can find a copy to borrow to try (like I did for Dragon Age I.... didn't buy it because I wasn't impressed). Until then, no sale from me!
yeah, because 'piracy' has only been around for a short time... those morals and feelings of guilt just happen to be running out now. Not like morals have been around along with piracy since... oh, I don't know... the 1700-1800's when sheet music was being 'pirated'. Or, more contemporarily, the days of cassette tapes. You're right... totally a modern problem, these morals.
I was wondering when those pesky morals would dry up and it would free stuff for all!!!
I think you missed the source of 'guilt' here... the fan he was talking about felt guilty because he wanted to support the game and its creators and didn't initially do so. The driving force behind the guilt was his desire to support the creators, not some sense of right versus wrong.
As long as game/music/movie/whatever creators give fans something the fans like, the desire to support them is there. Not sure how you figured this 'guilt trip' is a new thing or that the 'pirates' are going to 'get over it' after some magical expiration date.
It’s something I see all over ‘pirate communities’… they want to support the artists and game creators. I’ve seen many-a torrent descriptors that say “if you like this, please buy a copy and support the artist/creator!”
Qritiqal... I do the same thing. The use of [sic] here is to acknowledge that the general application of the label "art" to Twilight is (in mine and AC's opinion, at least) an error that we're including for the simplicity of writing. I don’t know about the use with "general direction" tho... AC lost me on that one.
Yes, we know that it's not the 'proper' way using [sic]... but it has been coopted to replace the writing equivalent of a knowing chuckle and finger-quotes when talking about things accepted by the mainstream we disagree with.
Does anyone else remember reading an opinion piece recently somewhere that all these laws that come out named after the victim they're trying to 'honor' by protecting everyone else are bad ideas?
So instead of introducing legislation (or school policy as one AC points out) that would allow these public channels to be monitored... we're going to force the 'problem connections' further out of the light and make them harder to see.
Or, and I know this is a wild idea, how about parents TEACH THIER CHILDREN THAT ADVANCES BY TEACHERS ARE A BAD THING! And (yeah, I know... CRAZY...) those same parents can help keep an eye on what thier kids are doing! SHOCKING.
We've tried abstinence education... failed.
We've tried censorship... failing.
We've tried relying on technology to raise our kids... failed
We've tried censoring the technology... failed in flames.
Parental responsibility in raising children and teaching the basics of social interaction at home... haven't tried that yet, have we?
Yet another example of politicians and lawmakers trying to win favor by acting 'for the kids' without actually doing anything about the symptom... MUCH less anything about the problem.
Hey... that would be a CWF+RtB. Look! Nina can monetize something she does for free without charging a pay wall for her site, or controlling the distribution, or suing the shit out of people! Neat!
"Oh Gabriel, why would a citation be needed? Since the creation of fair use, there has been plenty of well documented and well discussed expansion of it."
When you say things like 'well documented' and 'well discussed' without citations, people (rightfully) think you're pulling things out of your ass. And if it is so 'well documented', leaving out the citations is lazy at best... dishonest at worst.
"One only has to look at the results of the VHS taping debate to know that."
You and I have a different opinion of "know" and "expand". I look at the VHS (and other such situations) as the spirit of Fair Use being applied to new technology that has never been addressed before. Since the spirit has not been changed, I wouldn't call that 'expansion' in the same tone you use.
" As for Nina's cartoon, I disagree with the opinion, I find it to be without merit, and mostly the whining of someone still pissed off because she can't make a living on the back of other people's work."
and your opinion has been noted and filed under "troll".
"Perhaps you would like to stick to debating the concepts rather than going for mocking. It makes you sound like an idiot."
Of what concepts would you be speaking? the only 'concept' (read: opinion) you brought forward that wasn't lacking in needed citation was that this cartoon is propoganda. Sorry, but I fail to see how that concept is worthy of anything but mockery... much less debate.
I promise you... of the two of us, I'm not the one in danger of looking the fool.
" But really, fair use has continued to be expanded since it's legal creation, not contracted."
aaaaaaand no citation. Not suprised.
"Nobody is shooting holes in it, rather it is being claimed as a defence for everything under the sun, and failing in many of them."
Interesting that you don't address whether or not those defenses could be accurate and fair defenses... just that they're losing. And you also don't go out to state that the defenses are being denied on correct and fair interpretation of Fair Use... after all, we've seen over the last few months that many judicial entities are interpreting the law in what could be considered 'questionable ways'. Without citations to back up your claims, I’m going to hang my hat on this side of the pole. It’s just as reasonable as yours.
So, is Nina trying to say that Fair Use is bleeding on the floor? Maybe, maybe not. Is it clear, to those of us who feel that Fair Use is being shot down out-of-hand, that it is not as formidable a protection as it once was (and should be)? Apparently.
"Once again, Nina preaches to the choir. A few giggle, anyone with a brain dismisses it for the propaganda it really is."
ZZZZZZOMG! You mean Nina drew a political cartoon which expresses her opinion and posted it on her website which is probably viewed by those who share that opinion!?!?111!?!?!??!11111one!!2
Nina! You evil, dastardly, devious, subversive mind! Propaganda?! Sounds like something the NAZIS would use!!!! YOU MUST BE CHANNELING SCHWEITZER!!!!!!!!one!!!o!!!n!!!e!!!
crap. broke the exlaimation button on my keyboard. Well, AC, I hope I successfully illustrated how foolish that last part of your opinion [sic] was.
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Well, after the claim played out, her 'occupation' changed from lawyer to teacher, down to Special Education assistant. She has tried to claim (CLEARLY) past injuries to my (veeeery) low speed collision, and in my opinion, is towing the line of insurance fraud.
But take a wild guess on how far back my eyes rolled when she said "I know this because I'm a lawyer".
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Would the people designing the secret be pissed that they worked their butts off for 'nothing'? Probably. Will that adversely affect the box-office results? Probably not... at least, a lot less than you seem to be implying.
In closing, your example is a rather silly and ungrounded ‘what-if’. While such rhetorical discussions are fun around the coffee table, they really don’t do much for reality.
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But then again, there are some parts of proper[sic] grammar I could care less about... some of it, like "don't end a sentence with a preposition" makes me [sick]. (sorry, couldn't resist).
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I was wondering when those pesky morals would dry up and it would free stuff for all!!!
/sarc
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As long as game/music/movie/whatever creators give fans something the fans like, the desire to support them is there. Not sure how you figured this 'guilt trip' is a new thing or that the 'pirates' are going to 'get over it' after some magical expiration date.
It’s something I see all over ‘pirate communities’… they want to support the artists and game creators. I’ve seen many-a torrent descriptors that say “if you like this, please buy a copy and support the artist/creator!”
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Setting the bar in orbit
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Yes, we know that it's not the 'proper' way using [sic]... but it has been coopted to replace the writing equivalent of a knowing chuckle and finger-quotes when talking about things accepted by the mainstream we disagree with.
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Another law named after a victim
So instead of introducing legislation (or school policy as one AC points out) that would allow these public channels to be monitored... we're going to force the 'problem connections' further out of the light and make them harder to see.
Or, and I know this is a wild idea, how about parents TEACH THIER CHILDREN THAT ADVANCES BY TEACHERS ARE A BAD THING! And (yeah, I know... CRAZY...) those same parents can help keep an eye on what thier kids are doing! SHOCKING.
We've tried abstinence education... failed.
We've tried censorship... failing.
We've tried relying on technology to raise our kids... failed
We've tried censoring the technology... failed in flames.
Parental responsibility in raising children and teaching the basics of social interaction at home... haven't tried that yet, have we?
Yet another example of politicians and lawmakers trying to win favor by acting 'for the kids' without actually doing anything about the symptom... MUCH less anything about the problem.
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Finding license holders is so mainstream
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You and I have a different opinion of "know" and "expand". I look at the VHS (and other such situations) as the spirit of Fair Use being applied to new technology that has never been addressed before. Since the spirit has not been changed, I wouldn't call that 'expansion' in the same tone you use.
and your opinion has been noted and filed under "troll".
Of what concepts would you be speaking? the only 'concept' (read: opinion) you brought forward that wasn't lacking in needed citation was that this cartoon is propoganda. Sorry, but I fail to see how that concept is worthy of anything but mockery... much less debate.
I promise you... of the two of us, I'm not the one in danger of looking the fool.
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Interesting that you don't address whether or not those defenses could be accurate and fair defenses... just that they're losing. And you also don't go out to state that the defenses are being denied on correct and fair interpretation of Fair Use... after all, we've seen over the last few months that many judicial entities are interpreting the law in what could be considered 'questionable ways'. Without citations to back up your claims, I’m going to hang my hat on this side of the pole. It’s just as reasonable as yours.
So, is Nina trying to say that Fair Use is bleeding on the floor? Maybe, maybe not. Is it clear, to those of us who feel that Fair Use is being shot down out-of-hand, that it is not as formidable a protection as it once was (and should be)? Apparently.
ZZZZZZOMG! You mean Nina drew a political cartoon which expresses her opinion and posted it on her website which is probably viewed by those who share that opinion!?!?111!?!?!??!11111one!!2
Nina! You evil, dastardly, devious, subversive mind! Propaganda?! Sounds like something the NAZIS would use!!!! YOU MUST BE CHANNELING SCHWEITZER!!!!!!!!one!!!o!!!n!!!e!!!
crap. broke the exlaimation button on my keyboard. Well, AC, I hope I successfully illustrated how foolish that last part of your opinion [sic] was.
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"Ya'll done used my IP... now ya'll goan do right by 'er, y'hear?" Click-Clack.
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