You haven't asked any questions. You've just repeatedly asked me to "specify" questions I've already specified multiple times. You don't look good in this one, buddy. And my interest is not in proving you are dumb -- it's in proving that there's zero point in spending so much time on Techdirt the way you do. You're nothing but a disruption, and not a heroic or productive one -- just an immature, insecure one.
Seriously. Just say: "Here is the question you won't answer: Why do you think X about Y?" I will then answer that question as best as I possibly can. Stop saying you feel sorry for me, etc. Stop insulting me. Ask me the question directly. No more excuses.
OMG. You're delusional. Ask me a question, any question, right here, right now. I will answer that question directly, honestly, and post haste. What EXACTLY is the question I will not answer. Tell us all the question. What question will I not answer. I will try my best to answer it. I will stay up late, responding to follow up upon follow up. I don't not want to sleep again until this question is answered. What is the question? Please, explain exactly what the question is I'm too scared to answer. Why can't you tell us the question?
You know that attitude about loving these arguments -- enjoying entering a community with questions that you know are based on an entirely different value system from them, just so you can relish the debate and feel like a smart maverick?
Yeah, I label that as a combination of arrogance, insecurity and immaturity. I don't see it as a brave or admirable character trait. I see it as pathetic.
And your personal attacks of me are mature and not pathetic? You've made it abundantly clear that your primary purpose is to attack me. The merits come second. I don't even care that you're doing this. I want to discuss the merits. Shall we discuss those? Just be specific with your criticisms. Or else it just seems like you're making it up. Let's be specific so we can get to the bottom of this quickly. I can keep responding to your personal attacks all day long. Let's talk about what matters: Why I'm dumb and you're smart. So, just to be clear, your position is that you don't have to answer any of my questions, yet, I have to answer all of your questions. Is that right? If it's wrong, please tell us, specifically, why it's wrong. But that's your claim, right?
The difference is I really don't care about your questions -- what you've said so far as already demonstrated to me that we approach this topic from such vastly different directions, with entirely different value systems and moral opinions, that there's unlikely to ever be any common ground, and thus little point continuing this conversation. You're the one that seems intent on barrelling forward, and seems rather insecure about the fact that people here reject your views and, frankly, consider many them somewhat laughable. I don't give a damn what you think about my views.
The thing is, the Techdirt community is one mostly comprised of people with values similar to mine, focused on actually finding productive ways to move forward, change to fight for that is beneficial to the world -- you, for some reason, have stuck around in this community for years despite sharing no common goals or values with it, and constantly attempting to disrupt, derail and insult it. Why? Frankly I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has something to do with three aforementioned features of your personality: arrogance, insecurity, and immaturity.
So (1) do you want me to answer the comment I started answering already, the one above, or (2) want to continue this conversation at all? I'm lost. I'm not at all insecure. I haven't "reported" those who disagree with me. I accept that others do. I don't think they're dishonest for doing so (as you seem to think). if you want me to continue to answer questions, then just start asking questions. Cut the fat so I can get right to the meat. I love hard questions. I don't care if EVERYONE disagrees. I'm here because I can take it. Fire away! I will answer your questions with neither arrogance, insecurity, nor immaturity. If I am doing something wrong, it is not on purpose. Explain exactly how I am wrong, and how my values could more match yours, and I will consider it with all seriousness. Let's go. What are we waiting for? Let's do this. You explain how I'm wrong, and how I'm arrogant, and how I'm stupid, etc. Vanquish me. I'm salivating at the thought. But if you want me to answer that earlier comment, then stop distracting me with these pithy comments. I can only do so much.
So it's not the labor that makes the value then, is it? You're changing your position. You don't actually believe that labor gives you the moral right. It's actually who owns the underlying components?
No. It's that labor is but one dimension of the analysis. When someone uses stolen materials to make something, the morality changes. I have not changed my position in the least. As I made perfectly clear, in general, labor implies morally-based ownership. There are provisios, such as not using more than you need, or so much that not enough is left for others, or wasting, etc. It's not simple black/white, here's the rule that applies across the board thing. The rule is general, but specific fact patterns change the analysis. Was the chair needed to save someone's life? Stuff like that. You can change the facts, and the answer will change. But, in general, labor begets ownership. This is the fundamental rule. There are, of course, exceptions, and exceptions to the exceptions, etc., but these are also based on the underlying morality.
lol you know exactly what comment I am talking about -- you even claimed earlier that you were halfway through writing a response to it. Are you such a moron that you can't scroll up half a page and find it? Stop playing this silly game -- I have no need to hold your hand here. By my reckoning, you've looked like quite the fool in this thread with an utter dearth of interesting ideas -- which is what I suspected, and how I already viewed you from the beginning. If you don't want to change my mind (and there's no reason you should need to) then you don't have to -- but attempting to pretend it's because I won't link you to a comment that you've clearly read and are probably re-reading right now is just sad.
What's sad is that I stopped writing that reply so I could address your barrage of personal attacks. I'm here to the end. I am not going anywhere. I have a life, and I will not be able to reply in real time. But I accept your challenge. I will answer every single one of your questions. Bring it. I hope you'll share your secret views at some point. I can ask you tons of hard questions too.
X is the same question we've been discussing from the start: why you think that people have a moral right to diminish the rights of others in order to retain unnecessary control of non-rivalrous, non-scarce culture.
So far, your answers have been pathetic.
You mean the comment I told you earlier i was in the middle of replying to? I'm happy to finish that reply. Why don't you stop with the personal attacks and give me time. I'm trying to dig up cites for you. Not that you appreciate it.
And yet, somehow, you think you hold the moral high ground here?
I am not scared to state my beliefs. I don't run away when someone asks me about copyright or anything else. I am more forthcoming than Mike. It is a fact. Mike is too scared to answer these same questions I am answering. Mike will never be that honest and direct. Any questions? I will answer them. Ask me what I believe directly, and I will answer you directly. I get that you're only purpose is to attack me personally. Is that all you have? Discuss the merits with me if you can.
I have a lengthy response explaining why I totally reject your privacy analogy, your weak appeal to Locke and "enough and as good", your incorrect claims about copyright helping the commons, and your overall flawed understanding of the nature of cultural output and nonrivalrous goods in general. It basically invalidates all your points, and you've yet to respond to any of it -- so in my view, you haven't offered any answers at all yet. Still waiting.
Link to it. I will answer. Stop not being specific. I am here for you. I will answer question after question after question. Bring it.
they are all there -- just scroll up. Still waiting for you to respond to some of the points being made, instead of ignoring them and only replying to the comments accusing you of ignoring them.
If you think there is another question I'm ignoring. Link to it. I will address that question. Back up your claims. What am I scared to discuss? Be specific. Prove to everybody how scared I am. One day you can say: "People of Techdirt. I have vanquished antidirt. He would not answer this question. He was too scared. I present to you the question by which I have slain the troll. It is X." Now, tell me what X is. I love a good vanquishing.
"If you think anyone is going to read this thread and think that you answered the question, you're delusional."
That's not substantive. Please, name the question I refuse to answer. I will be here for as long as it takes. You ask this question that I will not answer. This thread will become part of Techdirt lore for generations yet to come. You will vanquish me... just as soon as you identify the question I refuse to answer. I'll be here, friend. You let me know when you're ready.
I'm not linking you to comments in this very thread, or restating things I already said an hour ago. You can respond or you can not respond -- but your attempt to stall by repeatedly asking me to re-state the question is not fooling anyone.
You make a list of questions. I vow that I will come back to this thread for days, nay, weeks, to come, and I will answer your specific questions to the best of my ability. I will spend hours citing sources, the fruits of hours of research, just to appease you.
No you don't. In fact all morning, all you've found time to do is repeatedly claim that you are answering questions -- you've yet to find time to actually answer any of the open questions in the thread. "Welcome the challenge" indeed -- I suppose you welcome it because you think you can weasel your way out of it with these dumb games.
You're the one claiming I refuse to answer questions. You have not produced any evidence of any question I refuse to address. Ask me the question right here, right now. I will answer you right here, right now. it's that simple. You can prove to us all how scared I am. Go.
My beliefs are explained above. You've yet to respond to them.
Link to them. Tell us exactly which post you're referring to. Let us read your exact words. List the questions I am not responding to. Be specific. Tell us the exact things I refuse to address. Stop playing games. Put up or shut up.
I've made the philosophical underpinnings of my beliefs quite clear -- and I've done it by spelling them out in plain terms, not trying to see how many philosophers I can quote like that lends me some sort of legitimacy. And who quoted Wikipedia?
You've made them "quite clear"? Can you please link to the comment or comments you're referring to?
You're the one who seems to be bothered that nobody is agreeing with your beliefs. I'm perfectly comfortable in mine, and quite happy in this community full of people who I know share similar values, so you can stop trying to put the onus on me here. If you want anyone to have any respect for you or be even vaguely interested in what you have to say, maybe stop reporting your comments and treating you like the unruly, disruptive child you normally behave as, then it's up to YOU to give us some honest answers that are actually interesting. Still failing at that, though.
Again, what question or questions, specifically, have I failed to answer? Be specific. No general claims Back it up. List the questions here. I will answer them directly and honestly. I welcome the challenge.
It's amazing how you only find time to reply to the comments accusing you of not giving honest answers -- and rarely find time to pause and give honest answers to all the open questions and rebuttals still sitting here in this thread.
Keep coming up with every personal attack you can, while never giving us any basis for your beliefs. Sounds about right. I was going to answer Pragmatic, just as soon as I finish my response to you above. I don't have time to field tons of questions, and that's because I have other work to do. It's not easy to carry on several conversations at once, but I did so for hours. I'm sure there are some questions above that I did not answer, and I honestly have neither the inclination nor the time to answer them all. But keep insulting. Insult me. Insult me. Insult me. That's obviously what you're here for. Have at it. But when you're ready to tell us what you believe and why you believe it, I will be here to bask in your gloriousness.
I'm not satisfied with your answers. I think they are weak, and don't hold together. And I'm perfectly happy with that assessment. If you think I should change it, it's up to you to convince me.
What argument of mine does not hold together? Be specific.
No, they are empty and flimsy and facile, and once again you sound like a first-year university student who just discovered philosophy.
Huh? How are they flimsy and facile? These ideas are centuries old and are fundamental to how many things in the real world work. I'm not making these things up. They've been understood and applied for generations. You seem like you've never discovered philosophy of any kind. You were the one quoting Wikipedia and suggesting that things are the way they are because we all just magically agreed on them, right? You haven't offered any philosophical underpinnings for your beliefs. Care to start now? if my ideas are so dumb, then show us your smart ideas. We're all ears. Wow us with your greatness.
Detail, frankness and honesty -- just no substance or any interesting ideas.
So now you're just going with straight up ad hominems. What issue have I not supplied a substantive response to? Be specific. Point out my shortcomings with exactness.
Now you're back to claiming i haven't answered anything, even though, just above, I crafted a lengthy response citing Locke, Gordon, Hughes, etc. Those are substantive answers that directly answer the questions you've asked. No need to be dishonest.
That said, if there is some question you think I am too scared to respond to, then tell us all exactly what that question is. What question will I not answer? Be specific.
And, honestly, why should I sit here and answer question after question for you if you're (1) going to pretend like I have supplied no answer whatsoever, and (2) keep attacking me personally?
Seriously. Why should I? Can you not act like an adult and have a friendly conversation with me? I am happy to answer your questions. I will be here day after day if need be. I am not running from a single thing. I understand your need to attack me personally. But can you attack the substance of my opinions? That's what I'm here for.
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Seriously. Just say: "Here is the question you won't answer: Why do you think X about Y?" I will then answer that question as best as I possibly can. Stop saying you feel sorry for me, etc. Stop insulting me. Ask me the question directly. No more excuses.
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OMG. You're delusional. Ask me a question, any question, right here, right now. I will answer that question directly, honestly, and post haste. What EXACTLY is the question I will not answer. Tell us all the question. What question will I not answer. I will try my best to answer it. I will stay up late, responding to follow up upon follow up. I don't not want to sleep again until this question is answered. What is the question? Please, explain exactly what the question is I'm too scared to answer. Why can't you tell us the question?
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Yeah, I label that as a combination of arrogance, insecurity and immaturity. I don't see it as a brave or admirable character trait. I see it as pathetic.
And your personal attacks of me are mature and not pathetic? You've made it abundantly clear that your primary purpose is to attack me. The merits come second. I don't even care that you're doing this. I want to discuss the merits. Shall we discuss those? Just be specific with your criticisms. Or else it just seems like you're making it up. Let's be specific so we can get to the bottom of this quickly. I can keep responding to your personal attacks all day long. Let's talk about what matters: Why I'm dumb and you're smart. So, just to be clear, your position is that you don't have to answer any of my questions, yet, I have to answer all of your questions. Is that right? If it's wrong, please tell us, specifically, why it's wrong. But that's your claim, right?
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The thing is, the Techdirt community is one mostly comprised of people with values similar to mine, focused on actually finding productive ways to move forward, change to fight for that is beneficial to the world -- you, for some reason, have stuck around in this community for years despite sharing no common goals or values with it, and constantly attempting to disrupt, derail and insult it. Why? Frankly I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has something to do with three aforementioned features of your personality: arrogance, insecurity, and immaturity.
So (1) do you want me to answer the comment I started answering already, the one above, or (2) want to continue this conversation at all? I'm lost. I'm not at all insecure. I haven't "reported" those who disagree with me. I accept that others do. I don't think they're dishonest for doing so (as you seem to think). if you want me to continue to answer questions, then just start asking questions. Cut the fat so I can get right to the meat. I love hard questions. I don't care if EVERYONE disagrees. I'm here because I can take it. Fire away! I will answer your questions with neither arrogance, insecurity, nor immaturity. If I am doing something wrong, it is not on purpose. Explain exactly how I am wrong, and how my values could more match yours, and I will consider it with all seriousness. Let's go. What are we waiting for? Let's do this. You explain how I'm wrong, and how I'm arrogant, and how I'm stupid, etc. Vanquish me. I'm salivating at the thought. But if you want me to answer that earlier comment, then stop distracting me with these pithy comments. I can only do so much.
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No. It's that labor is but one dimension of the analysis. When someone uses stolen materials to make something, the morality changes. I have not changed my position in the least. As I made perfectly clear, in general, labor implies morally-based ownership. There are provisios, such as not using more than you need, or so much that not enough is left for others, or wasting, etc. It's not simple black/white, here's the rule that applies across the board thing. The rule is general, but specific fact patterns change the analysis. Was the chair needed to save someone's life? Stuff like that. You can change the facts, and the answer will change. But, in general, labor begets ownership. This is the fundamental rule. There are, of course, exceptions, and exceptions to the exceptions, etc., but these are also based on the underlying morality.
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What's sad is that I stopped writing that reply so I could address your barrage of personal attacks. I'm here to the end. I am not going anywhere. I have a life, and I will not be able to reply in real time. But I accept your challenge. I will answer every single one of your questions. Bring it. I hope you'll share your secret views at some point. I can ask you tons of hard questions too.
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So far, your answers have been pathetic.
You mean the comment I told you earlier i was in the middle of replying to? I'm happy to finish that reply. Why don't you stop with the personal attacks and give me time. I'm trying to dig up cites for you. Not that you appreciate it.
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I am not scared to state my beliefs. I don't run away when someone asks me about copyright or anything else. I am more forthcoming than Mike. It is a fact. Mike is too scared to answer these same questions I am answering. Mike will never be that honest and direct. Any questions? I will answer them. Ask me what I believe directly, and I will answer you directly. I get that you're only purpose is to attack me personally. Is that all you have? Discuss the merits with me if you can.
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Link to it. I will answer. Stop not being specific. I am here for you. I will answer question after question after question. Bring it.
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If you think there is another question I'm ignoring. Link to it. I will address that question. Back up your claims. What am I scared to discuss? Be specific. Prove to everybody how scared I am. One day you can say: "People of Techdirt. I have vanquished antidirt. He would not answer this question. He was too scared. I present to you the question by which I have slain the troll. It is X." Now, tell me what X is. I love a good vanquishing.
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"If you think anyone is going to read this thread and think that you answered the question, you're delusional."
That's not substantive. Please, name the question I refuse to answer. I will be here for as long as it takes. You ask this question that I will not answer. This thread will become part of Techdirt lore for generations yet to come. You will vanquish me... just as soon as you identify the question I refuse to answer. I'll be here, friend. You let me know when you're ready.
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You make a list of questions. I vow that I will come back to this thread for days, nay, weeks, to come, and I will answer your specific questions to the best of my ability. I will spend hours citing sources, the fruits of hours of research, just to appease you.
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You're the one claiming I refuse to answer questions. You have not produced any evidence of any question I refuse to address. Ask me the question right here, right now. I will answer you right here, right now. it's that simple. You can prove to us all how scared I am. Go.
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Link to them. Tell us exactly which post you're referring to. Let us read your exact words. List the questions I am not responding to. Be specific. Tell us the exact things I refuse to address. Stop playing games. Put up or shut up.
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You've made them "quite clear"? Can you please link to the comment or comments you're referring to?
You're the one who seems to be bothered that nobody is agreeing with your beliefs. I'm perfectly comfortable in mine, and quite happy in this community full of people who I know share similar values, so you can stop trying to put the onus on me here. If you want anyone to have any respect for you or be even vaguely interested in what you have to say, maybe stop reporting your comments and treating you like the unruly, disruptive child you normally behave as, then it's up to YOU to give us some honest answers that are actually interesting. Still failing at that, though.
Again, what question or questions, specifically, have I failed to answer? Be specific. No general claims Back it up. List the questions here. I will answer them directly and honestly. I welcome the challenge.
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Keep coming up with every personal attack you can, while never giving us any basis for your beliefs. Sounds about right. I was going to answer Pragmatic, just as soon as I finish my response to you above. I don't have time to field tons of questions, and that's because I have other work to do. It's not easy to carry on several conversations at once, but I did so for hours. I'm sure there are some questions above that I did not answer, and I honestly have neither the inclination nor the time to answer them all. But keep insulting. Insult me. Insult me. Insult me. That's obviously what you're here for. Have at it. But when you're ready to tell us what you believe and why you believe it, I will be here to bask in your gloriousness.
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What argument of mine does not hold together? Be specific.
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Huh? How are they flimsy and facile? These ideas are centuries old and are fundamental to how many things in the real world work. I'm not making these things up. They've been understood and applied for generations. You seem like you've never discovered philosophy of any kind. You were the one quoting Wikipedia and suggesting that things are the way they are because we all just magically agreed on them, right? You haven't offered any philosophical underpinnings for your beliefs. Care to start now? if my ideas are so dumb, then show us your smart ideas. We're all ears. Wow us with your greatness.
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So now you're just going with straight up ad hominems. What issue have I not supplied a substantive response to? Be specific. Point out my shortcomings with exactness.
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Now you're back to claiming i haven't answered anything, even though, just above, I crafted a lengthy response citing Locke, Gordon, Hughes, etc. Those are substantive answers that directly answer the questions you've asked. No need to be dishonest.
That said, if there is some question you think I am too scared to respond to, then tell us all exactly what that question is. What question will I not answer? Be specific.
And, honestly, why should I sit here and answer question after question for you if you're (1) going to pretend like I have supplied no answer whatsoever, and (2) keep attacking me personally?
Seriously. Why should I? Can you not act like an adult and have a friendly conversation with me? I am happy to answer your questions. I will be here day after day if need be. I am not running from a single thing. I understand your need to attack me personally. But can you attack the substance of my opinions? That's what I'm here for.
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