Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 31 Jul 2014 @ 10:43am
Re: Re: Re:
Not likely, as the contract they signed almost certainly had a "forced arbitration with Verizon's chosen Verizon-friendly arbitrator who has ruled in Verizon's favor over 99% previously" clause.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 31 Jul 2014 @ 10:31am
Re:
Same. The only reason I even know this guy's name is because of the lawsuit he filed.
Soon as I saw the headline, I was like, "Isn't Max Mosley that guy who had that Nazi sex party thing and sued over it?" (BTW, +1 google index search rating linking his name with such.) Then I read down a paragraph and - yep I was right. Given another year or two and I wouldn't have made the connection - there's only so much RAM in my brain for useless trivia. Unfortunately for him, he just refreshed it, so its stuck in the buffer for awhile longer.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 29 Jul 2014 @ 6:31am
Priorities
$100 million for violating their customer's privacy, yet Verizon still can't afford a few dozen 10Gb router cards to help their customers get what they paid for so they can stream some movies.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 24 Jul 2014 @ 8:42am
Re: Re: Re: retroactively prove it should be peering..
Your post looks like an advertisement and doesn't really relate to the topic.
I'm aware of those lab tests. And standardization doesn't necessarily mean a lot. I'll believe it when I see it operating in real world conditions in a large deployment. I also highly doubt Verizon will be rolling that out to replace their DSL lines.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 22 Jul 2014 @ 1:39pm
Re: Why not elimiate copyright
Karl beat me to responding, but perhaps you should try to understand what copyright is before making silly statements.
Copyright is entirely about restricting what others can do with a work. Copyright only gives the holder the ability to legally enforce certain restrictions.
Without that ability to enforce restrictions anyone - including the author - can do anything they damn well please with the work.
The works of Shakespeare aren't under copyright. If I want to make my own printing and distribute it, I can. If I want to make a derivative work, I can.
The idea of abolishing copyright gets traction because many of the reasons why copyright was necessary no longer apply. It used to be hugely expensive to create and distribute content. Those costs have come down to the point where anyone with the talent can make "professional quality" content and distribute it just as widely (if not more so) than major publishers.
Why not eliminate copyright? Good question. Why not allow the sum total of human knowledge and culture to be shared to nearly everyone in the world practically instantaneously? I have yet to see any good reason not to allow that, so my stance is clear: we *should* eliminate copyright.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 22 Jul 2014 @ 12:44pm
Re: A better solution
+1. My friends have given up trying to get me to create a Facebook page. Every time they asked, I kept saying the same thing: I don't trust Facebook with my personal information, so I won't give it to them.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 21 Jul 2014 @ 7:01am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd say they are defaming Level-3
Thank you for confirming Verizon is 100% the problem here. A complete opposite of what you've been saying for weeks - kinda hard to keep all those lies straight, isn't it?
Yes, Verizon needs to continue to make upgrades to their own network, as Verizon customers keep using more of the bandwidth that Verizon sells them. Either Verizon makes the upgrades, or it tells the truth to its customers and admits that it's their fault and institutes caps.
I've never once claimed that infrastructure improvements were free - nice try at a strawman. Of course they cost money. But its the normal cost of doing business.
If you're curious about who should pay for it - then go and take a look at rate of return the telcos and cable companies have in the broadband divisions. Not even jewelry and furniture stores can boast the kind of insane markups that they have. Guess that's what abuse of monopoly positions can get.
The sad thing is, Verizon for a few years was actually upgrading their entire infrastructure. While Ivan Seidenberg was CEO, he was pushing FIOS everywhere and making those upgrades. But those poor Wall Street investors didn't like infrastructure improvements and got him forced out.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 20 Jul 2014 @ 11:37am
Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd say they are defaming Level-3
You have no idea what is going on. Willfull blindness and outright lies are the only thing you're good at.
The thing is, if Netflix (and Level 3 for that matter) improved their peering with other tier 1 providers,
Read the article. Read Level3's blog. Level3 is willing to buy Verizon the cards, cabling, and install them. I bet they'd even pay a network engineer to update a few routing tables for Verizon. But Verizon won't let them - because if Level3 could fix the problem in a few hours, Verizon would no longer have the threat hanging over Netflix and Level3's heads.
If I was Level3, I would be doing more than just blog posts. I would be throwing fire, making very loud public complaints. I'd be pounding on the FCC's and the FTC's doors. I'd be digging up every penny Verizon has spent on lobbying and every campaign donation.
Single-mindedness of Level3? Completely unarguable fact time: it is 100% Verizon's fault for not upgrading their own infrastructure. Verizon won't spend a few thousand bucks to help hundreds of thousands of their own customers.
Give me one single fact that disputes all of this. Just one tiny piece of information that is based in reality and not whatever delusional universe you live in.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 19 Jul 2014 @ 7:54am
Re: Re: I'd say they are defaming Level-3
In all honesty, directly peering with the content provider is usually preferred no matter who is providing the transit network.
Not necessarily. There are situations - including this one - where it makes a lot of sense to work with a single transit provider (or for redundancy 2 or 3) instead of needing to both pay the transit providers AND directly peer with a dozen or more ISPs.
Netflix works with Level3 and Cogent. Both are Tier 1 networks - which means that's all Netflix needs to work with to ensure that their content is reachable by anyone on the internet. So long as they can provide sufficient speed, Netflix wouldn't need to worry about making deals with Verizon, and AT&T, and Comcast, and Time Warner, and Cablevision, and Google Fiber, and Qwest, and so on.
And Verizon, AT&T and Comcast know this. Verizon is also a Tier 1 transit provider. So is AT&T. Comcast is trying to be. They all compete with Level3 and Cogent in the transit business - which is cutthroat and there's good money in it. Here's the thing. Level 3 and Cogent do not compete with those companies in the residential broadband business.
So it comes down to this: Verizon and Comcast can abuse their monopoly position over their residential business in order to force Netflix to directly peer with them, costing Level3 that transit business with Netflix, while losing nothing (since their residential customers have no choice and can't move to another provider).
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 18 Jul 2014 @ 11:44am
So, Mr. Whatever, let me quote your comment on a previous thread:
"Whenever someone says culture is getting locked up, I have to giggle. You make it sound like nobody is allowed to talk about anything or share in common experiences. How wrong you are."
Culture was just locked up - again - by copyright. The shared common experience of rickrolling just got stomped on by copyright. You may not agree with the rickrolling concept, but it is unarguably a cultural phenomenon - and not just on the internet - Rick Astley even performed and rickrolled the Macy's Thanksgiving parade. It was just a link to a Youtube video that hardly anyone would have cared or known about if it wasn't for the shared experience that cannot occur at this point in time.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 18 Jul 2014 @ 11:01am
Read the Level3 blog
If you want even more proof of cable/telco company fuckery, read the whole article on Level3's blog.
One striking example is that Level3's network connects to Verizon's in 10 locations. 7 in the US and 3 in Europe. Only in places where Verizon has a significant share of residential broadband customers are the ports at high/full capacity. In Europe, where Verizon has to compete against other ISPs, the ports are not congested.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 14 Jul 2014 @ 6:37am
Re: Re: Re: Cough cough
Go for it, unless you plan to work at a dead-tree newspaper. Grammar is important, but the more important issue is to make yourself and your ideas understood. Even if your sentence structure is grammatically correct, if your idea is vague or empty it is worth nothing. If what you are saying is important: say it in the simplest way possible that accurately conveys the idea.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 11 Jul 2014 @ 4:16pm
Re: Re: Re:
Don't project your bullshit onto me. If you don't think I support freedom on speech even in the vilest circumstances, read my comment history.
I just don't think child molestation is a joking matter. The Techdirt community is better than that (including Ninja, who frequently has very good one-liners).
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 11 Jul 2014 @ 9:54am
So, the executive branch orders and performs questionable searches of people working for the legislative branch, then another part of the executive branch investigates and decides not to prosecute.
Great to see our system of checks and balances working out so well.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 10 Jul 2014 @ 12:01pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Missing the point
Whenever someone says culture is getting locked up, I have to giggle. You make it sound like nobody is allowed to talk about anything or share in common experiences. How wrong you are.
Culture is not just being able to talk about something.
Culture is a shared set of ideas, knowledge, and experiences. You can't fully share the experience of watching video, listening to music, or reading a book with someone who has no access to that content. It's going to be a one-sided conversation without common ground.
We are fast approaching a point where every person on this planet could have fast and cheap access to the sum total of human culture. You're welcome to your opinion, but it is completely inconceivable to me that that wouldn't be desirable. I won't make any wild claims that it would necessarily lead to the end of wars or poverty, bigotry or irrationality, but it certainly can't hurt.
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Re: Re: Re:
On the post: Max Mosley Continues His Quixotic And Misguided Quest: Sues Google For Still Finding Photos He Doesn't Like
Re:
Soon as I saw the headline, I was like, "Isn't Max Mosley that guy who had that Nazi sex party thing and sued over it?" (BTW, +1 google index search rating linking his name with such.) Then I read down a paragraph and - yep I was right. Given another year or two and I wouldn't have made the connection - there's only so much RAM in my brain for useless trivia. Unfortunately for him, he just refreshed it, so its stuck in the buffer for awhile longer.
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Priorities
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Re: What is "Pandora"? What is "Spotify"?
If it goes under, I'll have no problem switching back.
On the post: Verizon Gets Snarky, But Basically Admits That It's The One Clogging Its Networks On Purpose
Re: Re: Re: retroactively prove it should be peering..
I'm aware of those lab tests. And standardization doesn't necessarily mean a lot. I'll believe it when I see it operating in real world conditions in a large deployment. I also highly doubt Verizon will be rolling that out to replace their DSL lines.
On the post: Verizon Gets Snarky, But Basically Admits That It's The One Clogging Its Networks On Purpose
Re: retroactively prove it should be peering..
On the post: Once Again, Attempts To Block Access To The Pirate Bay Only Increase Traffic
"Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
On the post: Defending The Indefensible: Hilarious Talking Points On Ridiculous Copyright Terms
Re: Why not elimiate copyright
Copyright is entirely about restricting what others can do with a work. Copyright only gives the holder the ability to legally enforce certain restrictions.
Without that ability to enforce restrictions anyone - including the author - can do anything they damn well please with the work.
The works of Shakespeare aren't under copyright. If I want to make my own printing and distribute it, I can. If I want to make a derivative work, I can.
The idea of abolishing copyright gets traction because many of the reasons why copyright was necessary no longer apply. It used to be hugely expensive to create and distribute content. Those costs have come down to the point where anyone with the talent can make "professional quality" content and distribute it just as widely (if not more so) than major publishers.
Why not eliminate copyright? Good question. Why not allow the sum total of human knowledge and culture to be shared to nearly everyone in the world practically instantaneously? I have yet to see any good reason not to allow that, so my stance is clear: we *should* eliminate copyright.
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Re: A better solution
On the post: Level3 Proves That Verizon Is Absolutely To Blame For Netflix Congestion... Using Verizon's Own Blog Post
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd say they are defaming Level-3
Yes, Verizon needs to continue to make upgrades to their own network, as Verizon customers keep using more of the bandwidth that Verizon sells them. Either Verizon makes the upgrades, or it tells the truth to its customers and admits that it's their fault and institutes caps.
I've never once claimed that infrastructure improvements were free - nice try at a strawman. Of course they cost money. But its the normal cost of doing business.
If you're curious about who should pay for it - then go and take a look at rate of return the telcos and cable companies have in the broadband divisions. Not even jewelry and furniture stores can boast the kind of insane markups that they have. Guess that's what abuse of monopoly positions can get.
The sad thing is, Verizon for a few years was actually upgrading their entire infrastructure. While Ivan Seidenberg was CEO, he was pushing FIOS everywhere and making those upgrades. But those poor Wall Street investors didn't like infrastructure improvements and got him forced out.
On the post: Level3 Proves That Verizon Is Absolutely To Blame For Netflix Congestion... Using Verizon's Own Blog Post
Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd say they are defaming Level-3
The thing is, if Netflix (and Level 3 for that matter) improved their peering with other tier 1 providers,
Read the article. Read Level3's blog. Level3 is willing to buy Verizon the cards, cabling, and install them. I bet they'd even pay a network engineer to update a few routing tables for Verizon. But Verizon won't let them - because if Level3 could fix the problem in a few hours, Verizon would no longer have the threat hanging over Netflix and Level3's heads.
If I was Level3, I would be doing more than just blog posts. I would be throwing fire, making very loud public complaints. I'd be pounding on the FCC's and the FTC's doors. I'd be digging up every penny Verizon has spent on lobbying and every campaign donation.
Single-mindedness of Level3? Completely unarguable fact time: it is 100% Verizon's fault for not upgrading their own infrastructure. Verizon won't spend a few thousand bucks to help hundreds of thousands of their own customers.
Give me one single fact that disputes all of this. Just one tiny piece of information that is based in reality and not whatever delusional universe you live in.
On the post: Level3 Proves That Verizon Is Absolutely To Blame For Netflix Congestion... Using Verizon's Own Blog Post
Re: Re: I'd say they are defaming Level-3
Not necessarily. There are situations - including this one - where it makes a lot of sense to work with a single transit provider (or for redundancy 2 or 3) instead of needing to both pay the transit providers AND directly peer with a dozen or more ISPs.
Netflix works with Level3 and Cogent. Both are Tier 1 networks - which means that's all Netflix needs to work with to ensure that their content is reachable by anyone on the internet. So long as they can provide sufficient speed, Netflix wouldn't need to worry about making deals with Verizon, and AT&T, and Comcast, and Time Warner, and Cablevision, and Google Fiber, and Qwest, and so on.
And Verizon, AT&T and Comcast know this. Verizon is also a Tier 1 transit provider. So is AT&T. Comcast is trying to be. They all compete with Level3 and Cogent in the transit business - which is cutthroat and there's good money in it. Here's the thing. Level 3 and Cogent do not compete with those companies in the residential broadband business.
So it comes down to this: Verizon and Comcast can abuse their monopoly position over their residential business in order to force Netflix to directly peer with them, costing Level3 that transit business with Netflix, while losing nothing (since their residential customers have no choice and can't move to another provider).
On the post: Once Again, Millions Of Rickrolls Go Silent As The Original Rickroll Is 'Blocked' On YouTube
"Whenever someone says culture is getting locked up, I have to giggle. You make it sound like nobody is allowed to talk about anything or share in common experiences. How wrong you are."
Culture was just locked up - again - by copyright. The shared common experience of rickrolling just got stomped on by copyright. You may not agree with the rickrolling concept, but it is unarguably a cultural phenomenon - and not just on the internet - Rick Astley even performed and rickrolled the Macy's Thanksgiving parade. It was just a link to a Youtube video that hardly anyone would have cared or known about if it wasn't for the shared experience that cannot occur at this point in time.
On the post: Level3 Proves That Verizon Is Absolutely To Blame For Netflix Congestion... Using Verizon's Own Blog Post
Read the Level3 blog
One striking example is that Level3's network connects to Verizon's in 10 locations. 7 in the US and 3 in Europe. Only in places where Verizon has a significant share of residential broadband customers are the ports at high/full capacity. In Europe, where Verizon has to compete against other ISPs, the ports are not congested.
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Someone call me an ambulance, I think I just had a heart attack.
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Re: Re: Re: Cough cough
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Re: Re: Re:
On the post: Ridiculous Lawsuit Filed (And Now Dropped) Against Tor Project Gets Even More Ridiculous: Now Involving Hate Group Leader
Re: Re: Re:
I just don't think child molestation is a joking matter. The Techdirt community is better than that (including Ninja, who frequently has very good one-liners).
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Great to see our system of checks and balances working out so well.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Missing the point
Culture is not just being able to talk about something.
Culture is a shared set of ideas, knowledge, and experiences. You can't fully share the experience of watching video, listening to music, or reading a book with someone who has no access to that content. It's going to be a one-sided conversation without common ground.
We are fast approaching a point where every person on this planet could have fast and cheap access to the sum total of human culture. You're welcome to your opinion, but it is completely inconceivable to me that that wouldn't be desirable. I won't make any wild claims that it would necessarily lead to the end of wars or poverty, bigotry or irrationality, but it certainly can't hurt.
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