Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 7:31pm
Re: Re: Re: Keep shouting..
There, word of mouth. If any of the Mastodon users also had Twitter accounts...
Or, for that matter, any other social media accounts...
Get the word out. Make Twitter another insignificance, like MySpace. It might be a good thing. Then again, it might be a very bad thing. We will know, sometime.
I looked quickly at their 'rules and terms'. If they work like Techdirt does, then great. If not, then there may be problems. I hope for the former. I understand that there are various forums, and that each might respond differently, but they should be in some form consistent in how they go about moderation.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 7:30pm
Re: Re: Re: Keep shouting..
There, word of mouth. If any of the Mastodon users also had Twitter accounts...
Or, for that matter, any other social media accounts...
Get the word out. Make Twitter another insignificance, like MySpace. It might be a good thing. Then again, it might be a very bad thing. We will know, sometime.
I looked quickly at their 'rules and terms'. If they work like Techdirt does, then great. If not, then there may be problems. I hope for the former. I understand that there are various forums, and that each might respond differently, but they should be in some form consistent in how they go about moderation.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 6:40pm
It's only real estate, what could go wrong?
It's a good thing that the trademark was limited to real estate. Or maybe not (trademarks are often exerted outside of the intended or registered markets).
Waffle House might have had a hard time buying new 'houses', which would be a real estate transaction even though Waffle House's main business is selling waffles (and eggs and coffee and various pork products, don't limit them) but would certainly restrain them from advertising for existing restaurants that might want to be consumed by the Waffle House chain. For them to suggest that "We Buy Houses" with the intent to purchase appropriate restaurant properties would be curbed.
I know ditch diggers with a better grasp of common sense than the the USPTO sometimes exhibits.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 6:25pm
Re: Re: Re: Re:
..."though facebook now faces a lawsuit for counting more users than the census says can be found in certain geographic areas..."
Could it possibly be that they have allowed some fake accounts? Oh Noes.
How many of those are government agents trying to entice someone to like some illicit thing?
How many of those might be some other kind of reprehensible dirtbag working some kind of scam?
How many of those might be seriously normal people that have both a real account and a fake account because they don't want their real friends to know that they like spelunking?
I don't use Facebook, and have them blocked in my HOSTS files (for whatever good that might do) but I was under the impression that one had to do 'something' to prove not only who you were, but what your age was in order to get an account.
Is Facebook seriously lacking in their pre-account perusal? Or are their public statements about account control just some serious bullshit so sufficient that the cumulative might fertilize some large countries crops?
Of course, we all know the census could be wrong. For that matter, the way they do it, how could it be right?
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 5:20pm
Re:
There's another option, for Erdogan. Force Twitter to block anything Erdogan doesn't like. Yes, people in Turkey would be hurt, but they are being hurt anyway by Erdogon's speech laws.
Still, they apparently re-elected him. That is if the elections were actually free. Hard to tell from here, and hard to believe Erdogon's (or his minion's) assertions. We need to hear more from the Turkish people. All the Turkish people (even the Kurds), not just those 'approved' for communication.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 4:31pm
Re: Keep shouting..
Yes, ones that make economic decisions. Sometimes stupid ones. Sometimes ones they shouldn't. Sometimes ones that might come back and bite them in the ass down the road.
Twitters marketing team might make the decision that they are for free speech. Well, at least speech that does not denigrate others. The economic value of keeping Turkey...shall we say onboard...might outweigh their 'other ethical values'. Then again, they have a board of directors and a CEO who might overrule them.
Oh, and the rules here in the US, are not the same as in Turkey. Twitters choices are to pull out, and lose revenue, or stay and fight with the government, or do what they did, which retains what revenue is left. If they have no equipment in the country...well the government has other ways to control them, whether or not they are a Turkish company.
Their behavior does have a lot to say about their ethics, though. Whether the rest of the world cares about their ethics will be communicated through the marketplace. If Mastodon has any kind of marketing effort, I would think they would take serous advantage of this incident.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 1:18pm
Re: Re: Hypocrisy
Well, The Good Guys went out of business, which could be considered Bad Stuff, especially when it lead to Best Buy's growth, which then lead to Best Buy's tech people searching computers brought in for service in the name of the FBI. Definitely Bad Stuff.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 1:05pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Both Twitter and the baker are private business's. Both get to choose what they want to have happen in their businesses. Both will feel the consequences through the marketplace. If either goes too far with their expressions of their position, the market (one is more local than the other) will respond.
Corporations have been considered persons for the purpose of dealing with some quirks in the laws (I am sure someone will point out those quirks, I cannot remember the details just now) and I do believe that some entities (like the Federal Election Commission) have taken that thought process too far. Does this mean that corporations do not get to have a say in their own destiny? They should, and as in the case of newspaper editors deciding who's letters to the editor get published, and who gets op-ed column inches, other corporations involved in spreading words on pages, electronic or paper, should have input. Or as the case may be, output.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 12:50pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: *Twitter* might be a public accommodation
Well, I like pizza, and I like anchovies, but I don't like anchovies on pizza. There is a bias.
Those kinds of bias's, however, have nothing to do with whether a person is allowed to use a private service. Race, creed, national origin, sex, etc. are the kinds of things they are not allowed to use as an excuse to deny service. Ranting, hate mongering, expressing antipathy toward any of those protected classes I mentioned is another thing. Making expressions of those kinds are the kinds of things that have a tendency to get people kicked off a private service.
As to political leanings, they (the company that owns the platform) have a right to their political leanings as well. Tell us you never heard that newspapers might endorse one political candidate or another. The platform company might express those thoughts by posting themselves. They might also express those thoughts by removing users that are overly extreme in their representations.
With any fairness (something not actually required of them (the market will determine whether they are right or wrong)) the company will banish extremes, whether at one end, the other end, or in the middle. And those banishment's would be for extremism, rather than taking a particular side, or edge or some other geometric position. It would be being extreme that caught someones attention, and caused an action.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 10:20am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Technically stupid
They could have just posted a link to where the document existed along with instructions on how to view the redacted information. All that would have been perfectly legal. Come to think of it, all they did was take a couple of steps out of that process. Still perfectly legal.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Aug 2018 @ 7:17am
Re: what about moonlight?
Of course, anything but sunlight. Being tweaked about her orders failing to achieve the desired result doesn't remove the result of the cover-up being incomplete. Sunshine falling on government misbehavior doesn't go down well.
Now we have both the school boards misbehavior getting a tan, she has added her own involvement in protecting the school board with the effect of adding some tanning oil to the mix. Not sunblock, tanning oil. It remains to be seen where the frying will happen.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 18 Aug 2018 @ 9:18pm
Re: Re: I have been wishing for a touchscreen laptop for many years.
That does not answer the question as to why not keyboard/mouse or trackball or touchpad/and touchscreen is not standard.
Sure, there is some expense, but expense becomes fairly negligible over time. Why are they trying to control the market? Well, that is a stupid question, they control the market for their benefit, not ours. When is the market going to listen to us. Putting touchscreen, along with other input methods, on every laptop doesn't actually hurt them, but it does hurt us.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 18 Aug 2018 @ 8:43pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sun Tzu told me to give you this.
Nah, just to differentiate myself from other Anonymous Cowards, and the account is because I don't want others to imitate me (my username cannot be misused by others, like you have done), and I want to support the things Techdirt does, whether I agree with them or not. Something you refrain from doing. Now why might that be?
BTW, we are done. I don't usually respond to your posts, feeding the troll is antithetical to coherent discussion. I tend to not feed. You tend to use any excuse to denigrate, which is useless as no one believes you. At least no one here.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 18 Aug 2018 @ 8:03pm
Re: Tablet Computers -- You Were Wrong About Why
I have been wishing for a touchscreen laptop for many years. There are times when raising my arm and putting a finger on what I want would be more efficient than track-balling (my preference over a mouse or touchpad) or keyboarding a particular command or selection. What I cannot understand is why it is not just prevalent, but standard.
No one I know has said it should be the only way to make a selection, but one that is also available at the same time as the others. Oh...yes, there are the computer designers who don't talk to regular users, they just listen to the focus groups put together by the marketing team, who have an agenda. It isn't the users agenda, but the companies agenda.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 18 Aug 2018 @ 7:35pm
Re: Sun Tzu told me to give you this.
Unless we are willing to give back the geographic entity currently known as The America's to those who can 'prove' their ancestors walked across the Bearing Strait, before it was actually a strait, and give all the infrastructure that has been developed over the centuries of 'outsider' inhabitance, then this is a null discussion.
Did the outsiders screw up...yes. Should more be done to rectify those screw ups? Possibly. Should we deny the last several centuries of development and just turn it over to, what is probably a very small minority of the populations in the various countries that exist in North, South, and Central America? No. But something more should be done, and not just in the USofA. List sensible ideas here:
Well, even if we try, there are forces that just won't allow that, and I don't mean the various government military's (though they certainly won't like it), I mean para-military's and cartels of various stripes. For whatever reason things have gone too far to just 'give it back', and we have sufficient other problems than to make this the first priority. Should it be a priority? Yes, just not the first.
Fixing political systems in the various countries of the America's would seem to be first.
On the post: As Press Freedom Dies In Turkey, Twitter Is There To Help Dig Its Grave
Re: Re:
On the post: As Press Freedom Dies In Turkey, Twitter Is There To Help Dig Its Grave
Re: Re: Re: Keep shouting..
There, word of mouth. If any of the Mastodon users also had Twitter accounts...
Or, for that matter, any other social media accounts...
Get the word out. Make Twitter another insignificance, like MySpace. It might be a good thing. Then again, it might be a very bad thing. We will know, sometime.
I looked quickly at their 'rules and terms'. If they work like Techdirt does, then great. If not, then there may be problems. I hope for the former. I understand that there are various forums, and that each might respond differently, but they should be in some form consistent in how they go about moderation.
On the post: As Press Freedom Dies In Turkey, Twitter Is There To Help Dig Its Grave
Re: Re: Re: Keep shouting..
There, word of mouth. If any of the Mastodon users also had Twitter accounts...
Or, for that matter, any other social media accounts...
Get the word out. Make Twitter another insignificance, like MySpace. It might be a good thing. Then again, it might be a very bad thing. We will know, sometime.
I looked quickly at their 'rules and terms'. If they work like Techdirt does, then great. If not, then there may be problems. I hope for the former. I understand that there are various forums, and that each might respond differently, but they should be in some form consistent in how they go about moderation.
On the post: Express Homebuyers Wins Its Bid To Cancel Competitors 'We Buy Houses' Trademark
It's only real estate, what could go wrong?
Waffle House might have had a hard time buying new 'houses', which would be a real estate transaction even though Waffle House's main business is selling waffles (and eggs and coffee and various pork products, don't limit them) but would certainly restrain them from advertising for existing restaurants that might want to be consumed by the Waffle House chain. For them to suggest that "We Buy Houses" with the intent to purchase appropriate restaurant properties would be curbed.
I know ditch diggers with a better grasp of common sense than the the USPTO sometimes exhibits.
On the post: Appeals Court Says Of Course Twitter Can Kick Racists Off Its Platform
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Could it possibly be that they have allowed some fake accounts? Oh Noes.
How many of those are government agents trying to entice someone to like some illicit thing?
How many of those might be some other kind of reprehensible dirtbag working some kind of scam?
How many of those might be seriously normal people that have both a real account and a fake account because they don't want their real friends to know that they like spelunking?
I don't use Facebook, and have them blocked in my HOSTS files (for whatever good that might do) but I was under the impression that one had to do 'something' to prove not only who you were, but what your age was in order to get an account.
Is Facebook seriously lacking in their pre-account perusal? Or are their public statements about account control just some serious bullshit so sufficient that the cumulative might fertilize some large countries crops?
Of course, we all know the census could be wrong. For that matter, the way they do it, how could it be right?
On the post: As Press Freedom Dies In Turkey, Twitter Is There To Help Dig Its Grave
Re:
Still, they apparently re-elected him. That is if the elections were actually free. Hard to tell from here, and hard to believe Erdogon's (or his minion's) assertions. We need to hear more from the Turkish people. All the Turkish people (even the Kurds), not just those 'approved' for communication.
On the post: As Press Freedom Dies In Turkey, Twitter Is There To Help Dig Its Grave
Re: Keep shouting..
Yes, ones that make economic decisions. Sometimes stupid ones. Sometimes ones they shouldn't. Sometimes ones that might come back and bite them in the ass down the road.
Twitters marketing team might make the decision that they are for free speech. Well, at least speech that does not denigrate others. The economic value of keeping Turkey...shall we say onboard...might outweigh their 'other ethical values'. Then again, they have a board of directors and a CEO who might overrule them.
Oh, and the rules here in the US, are not the same as in Turkey. Twitters choices are to pull out, and lose revenue, or stay and fight with the government, or do what they did, which retains what revenue is left. If they have no equipment in the country...well the government has other ways to control them, whether or not they are a Turkish company.
Their behavior does have a lot to say about their ethics, though. Whether the rest of the world cares about their ethics will be communicated through the marketplace. If Mastodon has any kind of marketing effort, I would think they would take serous advantage of this incident.
On the post: Appeals Court Says Of Course Twitter Can Kick Racists Off Its Platform
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: *Twitter* might be a public accommodation
It has become apparent that you want to rant and disparage, not to constructively converse.
Good Bye.
On the post: DOJ Asking Court To Force Facebook To Break Encryption On Messenger Voice Calls
Re: Re: Hypocrisy
Sorry.
On the post: Appeals Court Says Of Course Twitter Can Kick Racists Off Its Platform
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Corporations have been considered persons for the purpose of dealing with some quirks in the laws (I am sure someone will point out those quirks, I cannot remember the details just now) and I do believe that some entities (like the Federal Election Commission) have taken that thought process too far. Does this mean that corporations do not get to have a say in their own destiny? They should, and as in the case of newspaper editors deciding who's letters to the editor get published, and who gets op-ed column inches, other corporations involved in spreading words on pages, electronic or paper, should have input. Or as the case may be, output.
On the post: Appeals Court Says Of Course Twitter Can Kick Racists Off Its Platform
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: *Twitter* might be a public accommodation
Those kinds of bias's, however, have nothing to do with whether a person is allowed to use a private service. Race, creed, national origin, sex, etc. are the kinds of things they are not allowed to use as an excuse to deny service. Ranting, hate mongering, expressing antipathy toward any of those protected classes I mentioned is another thing. Making expressions of those kinds are the kinds of things that have a tendency to get people kicked off a private service.
As to political leanings, they (the company that owns the platform) have a right to their political leanings as well. Tell us you never heard that newspapers might endorse one political candidate or another. The platform company might express those thoughts by posting themselves. They might also express those thoughts by removing users that are overly extreme in their representations.
With any fairness (something not actually required of them (the market will determine whether they are right or wrong)) the company will banish extremes, whether at one end, the other end, or in the middle. And those banishment's would be for extremism, rather than taking a particular side, or edge or some other geometric position. It would be being extreme that caught someones attention, and caused an action.
On the post: Appeals Court Says Of Course Twitter Can Kick Racists Off Its Platform
Re: Re: Re: *Twitter* might be a public accommodation
On the post: Judge In Broward County Documents Case Decides The First Amendment Doesn't Cover These Public Records
Re: Re: Re: Re: Technically stupid
On the post: Judge In Broward County Documents Case Decides The First Amendment Doesn't Cover These Public Records
Re: what about moonlight?
Now we have both the school boards misbehavior getting a tan, she has added her own involvement in protecting the school board with the effect of adding some tanning oil to the mix. Not sunblock, tanning oil. It remains to be seen where the frying will happen.
On the post: This Week In Techdirt History: Augusts 12th - 18th
Re: Re: I have been wishing for a touchscreen laptop for many years.
That does not answer the question as to why not keyboard/mouse or trackball or touchpad/and touchscreen is not standard.
Sure, there is some expense, but expense becomes fairly negligible over time. Why are they trying to control the market? Well, that is a stupid question, they control the market for their benefit, not ours. When is the market going to listen to us. Putting touchscreen, along with other input methods, on every laptop doesn't actually hurt them, but it does hurt us.
On the post: Getting Worse: The Office Of Hawaiian Affairs Jumps Into The Aloha Poke Situation As Chicago Chain Stonewalls
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sun Tzu told me to give you this.
BTW, we are done. I don't usually respond to your posts, feeding the troll is antithetical to coherent discussion. I tend to not feed. You tend to use any excuse to denigrate, which is useless as no one believes you. At least no one here.
On the post: Getting Worse: The Office Of Hawaiian Affairs Jumps Into The Aloha Poke Situation As Chicago Chain Stonewalls
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sun Tzu told me to give you this.
I don't expect you will stop, but understand, you will be consistently denigrated and/or constantly ignored.
Live in the bed you make. You made it.
On the post: This Week In Techdirt History: Augusts 12th - 18th
Re: Tablet Computers -- You Were Wrong About Why
I have been wishing for a touchscreen laptop for many years. There are times when raising my arm and putting a finger on what I want would be more efficient than track-balling (my preference over a mouse or touchpad) or keyboarding a particular command or selection. What I cannot understand is why it is not just prevalent, but standard.
No one I know has said it should be the only way to make a selection, but one that is also available at the same time as the others. Oh...yes, there are the computer designers who don't talk to regular users, they just listen to the focus groups put together by the marketing team, who have an agenda. It isn't the users agenda, but the companies agenda.
On the post: Getting Worse: The Office Of Hawaiian Affairs Jumps Into The Aloha Poke Situation As Chicago Chain Stonewalls
Re: Re: Re: Sun Tzu told me to give you this.
On the post: Getting Worse: The Office Of Hawaiian Affairs Jumps Into The Aloha Poke Situation As Chicago Chain Stonewalls
Re: Sun Tzu told me to give you this.
Did the outsiders screw up...yes. Should more be done to rectify those screw ups? Possibly. Should we deny the last several centuries of development and just turn it over to, what is probably a very small minority of the populations in the various countries that exist in North, South, and Central America? No. But something more should be done, and not just in the USofA. List sensible ideas here:
Well, even if we try, there are forces that just won't allow that, and I don't mean the various government military's (though they certainly won't like it), I mean para-military's and cartels of various stripes. For whatever reason things have gone too far to just 'give it back', and we have sufficient other problems than to make this the first priority. Should it be a priority? Yes, just not the first.
Fixing political systems in the various countries of the America's would seem to be first.
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