Don’t be intentionally ignorant, Koby. We know the original purpose of Section 230 — after all, we can gather such intent if we read the actual, factual, on-the-Congressional-record words of Republican lawmaker Chris Cox, who helped craft 47 U.S.C. § 230:
We want to encourage people like Prodigy, like CompuServe, like America Online, like the new Microsoft network, to do everything possible for us, the customer, to help us control, at the portals of our computer, at the front door of our house, what comes in and what our children see.
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[O]ur amendment will do two basic things: First, it will protect computer Good Samaritans, online service providers, anyone who provides a front end to the Internet, let us say, who takes steps to screen indecency and offensive material for their customers. It will protect them from taking on liability such as occurred in the Prodigy case in New York that they should not face for helping us and for helping us solve this problem. Second, it will establish as the policy of the United States that we do not wish to have content regulation by the Federal Government of what is on the Internet, that we do not wish to have a Federal Computer Commission with an army of bureaucrats regulating the Internet because frankly the Internet has grown up to be what it is without that kind of help from the Government. In this fashion we can encourage what is right now the most energetic technological revolution that any of us has ever witnessed. We can make it better. We can make sure that it operates more quickly to solve our problem of keeping pornography away from our kids, keeping offensive material away from our kids, and I am very excited about it.
As for your “fight fire with fire” thinking: Revenge is a confession of pain; inflicting your pain on others creates only more misery and pain. A sensible, meaningful, and less spiteful approach would seek to change the notice-and-takedown system of the DMCA (preferably to notice-and-notice), enact stiffer penalties for filing false DMCA claims, and leave the already-working Section 230 alone.
Whatever the outcome, it won't do what these legislators want it to do.
To be fair, that would only happen if the law could survive a First Amendment challenge, which seems unlikely. I can’t see the same court that said “[a] private entity … who opens its property for speech by others is not transformed by that fact alone into a state actor” fucking around with the idea of compelling speech from private entities.
Trump’s account on twitter was suspended when he was President.
Show me the law that says Twitter is obligated to host the speech of any person, never mind the sitting president of the United States.
If I’ve been blocked from reading it is censored.
I’m sure someone has archived the Twitter account of Donald Trump if you’re eager to read it. But I won’t find that for you.
What logical reason does anyone have for bating federal employees from communication with the people outside of the left/right media bubble?
I have none. But a federal employee who wants to reach out to others while on private property must play by the rules set by the owner of said property. Twitter doesn’t have to host their speech. Neither does Facebook, YouTube, Soundcloud, Mastodon, Gab, Parler, or even fucking 4chan.
Any federal employee unhappy with that can buy their own property and say whatever they want. That’s how life works.
I find your lack of faith in humanity very very concerning.
Forgive me if my faith in humanity is more than a little broken. As of late, humanity hasn’t exactly done a lot to earn that faith. I mean, the people who voted for Trump in 2020 didn’t think his first (and hopefully last) term was a dealbreaker.
“social” media companies blocked communication of a sitting President
Yes, they did — on the services those companies own and operate. They can’t moderate speech outside of those services. And by the same token, they aren’t (and shouldn’t be) obligated to carry anyone’s speech. A president and a trash collector have the exact same right to “free reach”: None.
I don’t understand how anyone could consider the words of politicians being recorded permanently could be a cause to fight against.
That’s why we have the National Archives. That’s why we have C-SPAN. That’s why we have any number of ways for government officials to contact the media — “mainstream” or not — and speak their minds.
If the government wants to give politicians a way to host blogs on government property, great. But it’s not required for a politician’s voice to be heard…and it’s not going to be cheap to set up, say, over 500 individual websites for the entirety of Congress. Or to upkeep them such that they’re “reset” when someone leaves a seat and loses access to that site. Or to keep the security for those sites up-to-date so they can’t be hacked.
You seem to want it done badly enough, though. So maybe heed the words of Thanos: “Fine…I’ll do it myself.”
Irrelevant. The tutorial teaches people to use OpenGL, not Meshpage — and OpenGL is in far wider use than Meshpage. Your program is a failure for which you alone are responsible. Accept your failure with some goddamned dignity.
This email spamming practices are just the scientifically the only way to get popularity.
You know that is a lie. Stop lying.
And I call Meshpage a failure because it has no users, it will never have any meaningful userbase, and every program you believe it competes with outshines your program in every area. You have failed at making Meshpage a program people would want to use for any reason — or seek support for it if they did.
Emails have nothing to do with the failures of Meshpage. You are the sole cause for its failure.
The big attack on 230 is coming from private companies removing content of sitting officials. A platform run by the government for the government would eliminate that issue.
No, it wouldn’t, but you keep thinking it would. Your naïve optimism is kind of adorable.
Your argument is that Meshpage is a failure because:
other developers/companies using illegal email spamming practices that somehow keep being used despite being illegal
popular programs using “antiquated” technology like video formats that everyone else already uses
nobody giving a shit about “teleporting animations” from a program to a web browser
And I’m sure you’ve used other ones besides those.
You put responsibility for your failures on an external factor every time you talk. Something or someone else is always to blame, no matter what. It’s not true and you know it.
Blender devs didn’t make you a humanity-hating asshole; you did that yourself. Blender users didn’t make your program so behind the times that it can barely make anything more complex than an Amiga demo animation; you did that yourself. Nobody and nothing else is responsible for your failures but you.
Your failures: Own them. Your shortcomings: Acknowledge them. Only when you do those things will you find it in yourself to find a new path other than the one you keep travelling that, for some reason, keeps leading you back here to spend hours at a time defending a program no one uses to people who think you’re an asshole in ways that make clear why nobody uses your program and how big of an asshole you are.
Find a new hobby, man. This one is fucking you up on every level.
no entity shall be held liable for any other entities’ actions
We have such a law right now: Section 230.
Do you really believe the government is incapable of communication without private corporations to dictate rules?
Stop committing yourself to misunderstanding me.
If the government were to open an online public forum, it could not — by law — moderate any speech but that which has been declared unlawful (e.g., true threats of violence, CSAM). The most obscene, most objectionable, most outlandish speech possible could be posted without the government able to do anything in response aside from shutting down the forum. And since 8chan/8kun basically does that anyway, all the government would be doing is making its own version of that site.
Or did you somehow conflate my interest for sitting and potential politicians to have free, uncensored, and open access to the public as also calling for a commentary option? … A site for them to communicate with us, not you or I with them.
That’s called “starting a blog”. In case you haven’t noticed, that’s what Trump did. Hasn’t worked out well for him…
At the moment there is no way for any member of any governmental body to communicate directly with the citizens of this country without utilising private companies.
So what? As long as people follow the TOS of any site they don’t own, they’ll be fine.
A platform that would cover the internet, radio, and tv, and print that could, reasonably, reach every American.
Good fucking luck with making one of those that isn’t prohibitively expensive and time-consuming!
You may not like that people still think of “antiquated” technology such as still images and video files as output, but it is. And Blender can output still images and video files. And no, spamming emails would not make you or Meshpage popular. Stop making excuses for your professional failures.
No one with any serious interest in 3D modelling would ever use a program with no other users, inferior output compared to the “industry standard” programs already in use, and non-existent support from a developer who would likely tell anyone emailing him to fuck off before ever helping someone. Meshpage is unpopular because it can’t do anything better than Blender and you’re an asshole. Stop making excuses for your personal shortcomings and professional failures.
Meshpage is unpopular because it doesn’t do anything equally as well as, or better than, any program you claim it can outperform — and because you’re a humanity-hating asshole who thinks blaming everything but himself for his own failures is anything but pathetic. Stop making excuses for your personal shortcomings as a programmer and a person. Other people didn’t make you or your program unpopular. You did that on your own.
A program being popular because of email updates is possible, but statistically unlikely. I mean, I can’t think of a single program which bet its success on email updates.
Your program isn’t “popular” because other programs do what it does (and they do it better) while you yourself seem dedicated to treating other people like they’re nothing but ants to be sunburnt with a magnifying glass. Email updates and “activated communities” (regardless of whatever the fuck you think that means and whatever is supposedly so bad about an “activated community”) have no impact in this regard. Someone can use Blender without ever signing up for a single email update from the devs/community — and I’m sure a bunch of people already do.
You can whine about external factors outside of your control all you want. They’re irrelevant. If your program was good, people would want to use it. If you were a good person, people would want to support you. But you and your program are both a giant load of horseshit. The only person unwilling to accept that fact is the only person who can do anything about that fact: You.
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Don’t be intentionally ignorant, Koby. We know the original purpose of Section 230 — after all, we can gather such intent if we read the actual, factual, on-the-Congressional-record words of Republican lawmaker Chris Cox, who helped craft 47 U.S.C. § 230:
As for your “fight fire with fire” thinking: Revenge is a confession of pain; inflicting your pain on others creates only more misery and pain. A sensible, meaningful, and less spiteful approach would seek to change the notice-and-takedown system of the DMCA (preferably to notice-and-notice), enact stiffer penalties for filing false DMCA claims, and leave the already-working Section 230 alone.
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To be fair, that would only happen if the law could survive a First Amendment challenge, which seems unlikely. I can’t see the same court that said “[a] private entity … who opens its property for speech by others is not transformed by that fact alone into a state actor” fucking around with the idea of compelling speech from private entities.
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When a possible alternative produces output that is inferior to a program they already use, they don’t need to experiment with it.
You alone are responsible for the failure that is Meshpage. Quit blaming other people for that.
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Show me the law that says Twitter is obligated to host the speech of any person, never mind the sitting president of the United States.
I’m sure someone has archived the Twitter account of Donald Trump if you’re eager to read it. But I won’t find that for you.
I have none. But a federal employee who wants to reach out to others while on private property must play by the rules set by the owner of said property. Twitter doesn’t have to host their speech. Neither does Facebook, YouTube, Soundcloud, Mastodon, Gab, Parler, or even fucking 4chan.
Any federal employee unhappy with that can buy their own property and say whatever they want. That’s how life works.
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Forgive me if my faith in humanity is more than a little broken. As of late, humanity hasn’t exactly done a lot to earn that faith. I mean, the people who voted for Trump in 2020 didn’t think his first (and hopefully last) term was a dealbreaker.
Yes, they did — on the services those companies own and operate. They can’t moderate speech outside of those services. And by the same token, they aren’t (and shouldn’t be) obligated to carry anyone’s speech. A president and a trash collector have the exact same right to “free reach”: None.
That’s why we have the National Archives. That’s why we have C-SPAN. That’s why we have any number of ways for government officials to contact the media — “mainstream” or not — and speak their minds.
If the government wants to give politicians a way to host blogs on government property, great. But it’s not required for a politician’s voice to be heard…and it’s not going to be cheap to set up, say, over 500 individual websites for the entirety of Congress. Or to upkeep them such that they’re “reset” when someone leaves a seat and loses access to that site. Or to keep the security for those sites up-to-date so they can’t be hacked.
You seem to want it done badly enough, though. So maybe heed the words of Thanos: “Fine…I’ll do it myself.”
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Irrelevant. The tutorial teaches people to use OpenGL, not Meshpage — and OpenGL is in far wider use than Meshpage. Your program is a failure for which you alone are responsible. Accept your failure with some goddamned dignity.
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Irrelevant. That tutorial teaches people to use OpenGL, not Meshpage.
Your program is a failure for which you alone are responsible.
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And yet, OpenGL is the standard while your program languishes in obscurity. Nobody uses Meshpage. Lots of people use OpenGL.
Your program is a failure and you alone are responsible for its failure.
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You know that is a lie. Stop lying.
And I call Meshpage a failure because it has no users, it will never have any meaningful userbase, and every program you believe it competes with outshines your program in every area. You have failed at making Meshpage a program people would want to use for any reason — or seek support for it if they did.
Emails have nothing to do with the failures of Meshpage. You are the sole cause for its failure.
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No, it wouldn’t, but you keep thinking it would. Your naïve optimism is kind of adorable.
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Your argument is that Meshpage is a failure because:
other developers/companies using illegal email spamming practices that somehow keep being used despite being illegal
popular programs using “antiquated” technology like video formats that everyone else already uses
And I’m sure you’ve used other ones besides those.
You put responsibility for your failures on an external factor every time you talk. Something or someone else is always to blame, no matter what. It’s not true and you know it.
Blender devs didn’t make you a humanity-hating asshole; you did that yourself. Blender users didn’t make your program so behind the times that it can barely make anything more complex than an Amiga demo animation; you did that yourself. Nobody and nothing else is responsible for your failures but you.
Your failures: Own them. Your shortcomings: Acknowledge them. Only when you do those things will you find it in yourself to find a new path other than the one you keep travelling that, for some reason, keeps leading you back here to spend hours at a time defending a program no one uses to people who think you’re an asshole in ways that make clear why nobody uses your program and how big of an asshole you are.
Find a new hobby, man. This one is fucking you up on every level.
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Stop lying — to me, and to yourself.
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We have such a law right now: Section 230.
Stop committing yourself to misunderstanding me.
If the government were to open an online public forum, it could not — by law — moderate any speech but that which has been declared unlawful (e.g., true threats of violence, CSAM). The most obscene, most objectionable, most outlandish speech possible could be posted without the government able to do anything in response aside from shutting down the forum. And since 8chan/8kun basically does that anyway, all the government would be doing is making its own version of that site.
That’s called “starting a blog”. In case you haven’t noticed, that’s what Trump did. Hasn’t worked out well for him…
So what? As long as people follow the TOS of any site they don’t own, they’ll be fine.
Good fucking luck with making one of those that isn’t prohibitively expensive and time-consuming!
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Then stop whining about email spamming. It isn’t the cause of your failures — you are.
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You may not like that people still think of “antiquated” technology such as still images and video files as output, but it is. And Blender can output still images and video files. And no, spamming emails would not make you or Meshpage popular. Stop making excuses for your professional failures.
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No one with any serious interest in 3D modelling would ever use a program with no other users, inferior output compared to the “industry standard” programs already in use, and non-existent support from a developer who would likely tell anyone emailing him to fuck off before ever helping someone. Meshpage is unpopular because it can’t do anything better than Blender and you’re an asshole. Stop making excuses for your personal shortcomings and professional failures.
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Meshpage is unpopular because it doesn’t do anything equally as well as, or better than, any program you claim it can outperform — and because you’re a humanity-hating asshole who thinks blaming everything but himself for his own failures is anything but pathetic. Stop making excuses for your personal shortcomings as a programmer and a person. Other people didn’t make you or your program unpopular. You did that on your own.
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In what context?
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A program being popular because of email updates is possible, but statistically unlikely. I mean, I can’t think of a single program which bet its success on email updates.
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Your program isn’t “popular” because other programs do what it does (and they do it better) while you yourself seem dedicated to treating other people like they’re nothing but ants to be sunburnt with a magnifying glass. Email updates and “activated communities” (regardless of whatever the fuck you think that means and whatever is supposedly so bad about an “activated community”) have no impact in this regard. Someone can use Blender without ever signing up for a single email update from the devs/community — and I’m sure a bunch of people already do.
You can whine about external factors outside of your control all you want. They’re irrelevant. If your program was good, people would want to use it. If you were a good person, people would want to support you. But you and your program are both a giant load of horseshit. The only person unwilling to accept that fact is the only person who can do anything about that fact: You.
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