Re: Actually (IANAL) the ADA would not apply to these small businesses
And would not fine them anyway. This is a question of ignorance and ABUSE of the law. The poor small business owners can't know about everything, and so they don't know the ADA laws. Team Prenda knows the law but chooses to lie about how it works. The law itself is fine except in the case of the internet were most complex laws come to fail.
I love your articles and usually agree with them. I even agree with MOST of this article. I was on my phone and I was trying to respond to this post:
anony@gmail.com, Apr 6th, 2015 @ 5:13am What?????
This is rubbish the whole damn case. If subtitles are a legal necessity for movies then the movie industry as the manufacturer should be investing in them.
No website should have any responsibility to the blind or the deaf, under any circumstances.
Maybe netflix should put up a sign on their website, content only available for those that can consume it.
So, I have to apologize twice, one for the F word and once for being so incensed that I targetted to the wrong person. My apologies again. I would like to add that my comment regarding the value of the ADA WAS appropriate to the article. If the ADA provided no benefits to society while it cost individuals money, then it would be a very bad thing all around , as well as being a bad law. I would be a very poor excuse for a person to champion such a law. I feel that, absent Team Prenda and their ilk, the law is a good law that not only helps the handicapped, but also society at large. You cannot understand, just as I did not understand before losing most of my hearing, how difficult it is to get a job when you are handicapped. No one wants to hire you. I have only been able to get small, low-paying jobs since I lost most of my hearing, and I have the advantage of being otherwise healthy and well-educated.
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Well, I guess I'm a liar, and a lousy worker who's looking for a handout from everyone, while wanting everyone to spend all their money on me and my handicapped friends, but whatever.
thank you. being hard of hearing I was already aware
But some deaf people may not be, so it bears repeating. The thing that puzzlese is, why is automatic captioning not available on some YouTube videos? Do they turn it off or what?
Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not lying about being hard-of-hearing. If I could get $200 to do a movie, I would spend $150 on the transcriptionist and make the rest on doing the actual closed captioning. I wouldn't get rich, but I'd make $20 an hour which is more than I've made per hour since I lost my hearing.
A small warning to you while you're still strong and healthy: As AC said above, "you're not getting any younger. One day, you might be blind, or deaf, or trying to navigate a page using your eye movements. And by the time that happens, imagine how dependent your everyday life is going to be on the web. You'll be trying to pay your bills or order groceries or schedule a checkup -- and if you're lucky, the people who designed the sites you're using will make that possible. But if they're callous and ignorant and insensitive, it's not going to go well for you."
It would cost less than $100 to CC a movie. I have done it.
It would cost less than $100 to CC a movie. I have done it. I buy a DVD, rip it (as a backup only). Turn it into a mpg file, find a script, OCR it. and add it to the mpg. I takes me about 5 hours. If I didn't have to rip the DVD or OCR the script it would be even faster.
It is not that hard. When the technology first came out it required specialized technology and experience to do. It can now be done on a home computer using FREE software. If my hearing were better, I'd be glad to do it for you. In fact, if you gave me the text of your website speech, and a release to use it, I would be glad to do this for you for a nominal sum.
Unfortunately, despite the fact that I would love to transcribe it myself, I am too hard-of-hearing to do so, although I have tried several times.Thank you for your kind, sympathetic and thoughtful response.
It does not cost thousands to transcribe a movie. More like $400 total
A transcriptionist costs less than $50 an hour. To turn that into a captioned script for a movie cost about $50/hr. Once transcribed it can be added to an existing movie for less than $50. In fact, if you had the script, which can often be purchased for $25 or so, it wouldn't even cost $150.
So: Three hour movie = $150 Compositing to script= $100 Syncing to movie = $50 Total _______ $300
If I could get $200 per movie, I would be doing movies 24/7.
No, the F word wasn't an appropriate response. I apologize. I was very angry at your tone. You dismissed my daughter, and all the other deaf, blind, and otherwise disabled people in the United States when you said, "Maybe netflix should put up a sign on their website, content only available for those that can consume it." That's not a reasonable or polite response to the issue either. Small, cheap changes to the website and to the laws would be a much better response.
I don't think you realize the value that the ADA has brought to the US. Whenever we make something handicap accessible, we make more jobs available to the disabled, which reduces the public burden of supporting them, while making life easier for all or us. When you carry your shopping bags out the automatic door at the supermarket, you are looking at an innovation that would not be in place if the ADA had not mandated it. I could go on, but this is not the forum.
This article conflates two issues. The burden of complying with the requirements of the ADA, and the possibly criminal, definitely immoral behavior of Team Prenda. What is needed to deal with Team Prenda is an "anti shakedown" law. This law has been needed for a long time and would solve problems not just in copyright, not just in ADA compliance, but in a large number of legal venues.
The ADA, is not an onerous burden. As Anonymous Coward, points out, good web site design makes a lot of this moot. And, equally importantly, it is good manner, good ethically, and good business to make your website as open to as many people as possible. AND IT IS EASY TO DO. As for the ADA's supposed burdens, as Gumnos above points out, the burden to should be passed upstream to the creators of movies etc., where the "burden" would be lightest.
She can "consume" their website if they would just do the right thing and use closed captioning. It doesn't cost much and it makes her lives and the lives of many other people better. I'm sorry if my daughter isn't important to you, but a lot of people love her - including me. Oh, and by the way - f**** you.
Microsoft has had an answer to open source for a long time
What you do is flood them with misinformation and false alternatives. I.e. "To make a really great explosive, first chew a 60cc wad of superglue in you mouth for 30 seconds. It is important that all members of the bomb-making team begin chewing simultaneously, while snorting 20cc of corn starch."
A castrated male (occasionally a female or in some areas a bull) kept for draft purposes is called an ox (plural oxen); "ox" may also be used to refer to some carcass products from any adult cattle, such as ox-hide, ox-blood, oxtail, or ox-liver.[17]
I used to feel that the monitoring by the NSA was evil...
but the more I think about it, the more I realize that it is meaningless. The large corporations already have all our information in their hands. They government may as well have it too.
It won't make a bit of difference how many cameras they have. The cameras will have been turned on during attacks (of any type, for any reason, without context) on police, and "accidently" left off the rest of the time.
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Sorry, the above was addressed to the wrong poster.
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Techdirt is a great example of a site that doesn't use much graphics
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I love your articles and usually agree with them. I even agree with MOST of this article. I was on my phone and I was trying to respond to this post:
anony@gmail.com, Apr 6th, 2015 @ 5:13am
What?????
This is rubbish the whole damn case. If subtitles are a legal necessity for movies then the movie industry as the manufacturer should be investing in them.
No website should have any responsibility to the blind or the deaf, under any circumstances.
Maybe netflix should put up a sign on their website, content only available for those that can consume it.
So, I have to apologize twice, one for the F word and once for being so incensed that I targetted to the wrong person. My apologies again. I would like to add that my comment regarding the value of the ADA WAS appropriate to the article. If the ADA provided no benefits to society while it cost individuals money, then it would be a very bad thing all around , as well as being a bad law. I would be a very poor excuse for a person to champion such a law. I feel that, absent Team Prenda and their ilk, the law is a good law that not only helps the handicapped, but also society at large. You cannot understand, just as I did not understand before losing most of my hearing, how difficult it is to get a job when you are handicapped. No one wants to hire you. I have only been able to get small, low-paying jobs since I lost most of my hearing, and I have the advantage of being otherwise healthy and well-educated.
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thank you. being hard of hearing I was already aware
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Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not lying about being hard-of-hearing. If I could get $200 to do a movie, I would spend $150 on the transcriptionist and make the rest on doing the actual closed captioning. I wouldn't get rich, but I'd make $20 an hour which is more than I've made per hour since I lost my hearing.
A small warning to you while you're still strong and healthy: As AC said above, "you're not getting any younger. One day, you might be blind, or deaf, or trying to navigate a page using your eye movements. And by the time that happens, imagine how dependent your everyday life is going to be on the web. You'll be trying to pay your bills or order groceries or schedule a checkup -- and if you're lucky, the people who designed the sites you're using will make that possible. But if they're callous and ignorant and insensitive, it's not going to go well for you."
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It would cost less than $100 to CC a movie. I have done it.
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It does not cost thousands to transcribe a movie. More like $400 total
So: Three hour movie = $150
Compositing to script= $100
Syncing to movie = $50
Total _______
$300
If I could get $200 per movie, I would be doing movies 24/7.
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Re: Re: My daughter is deaf.
I don't think you realize the value that the ADA has brought to the US. Whenever we make something handicap accessible, we make more jobs available to the disabled, which reduces the public burden of supporting them, while making life easier for all or us. When you carry your shopping bags out the automatic door at the supermarket, you are looking at an innovation that would not be in place if the ADA had not mandated it. I could go on, but this is not the forum.
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The ADA and its "burdens"
The ADA, is not an onerous burden. As Anonymous Coward, points out, good web site design makes a lot of this moot. And, equally importantly, it is good manner, good ethically, and good business to make your website as open to as many people as possible. AND IT IS EASY TO DO. As for the ADA's supposed burdens, as Gumnos above points out, the burden to should be passed upstream to the creators of movies etc., where the "burden" would be lightest.
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My daughter is deaf.
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