Re: Re: As someone with some experience in this arena...
Nah, they'll distinguish from Galoob with something too easily. Maybe non-literal elements or the "choreography" that the whole system comprises, or that is just part of the system. Galoob is too literal and specific to skipping content and a single-machine model.
(yes, I am the first two letters in MDY Industries)
Actually, the derivative work claim is quite a bit different than the usual "you licensed it, you don't own it, therefore these copies are infringing" kind of logic that was employed in the past.
In this case, the EULA and ToU are only being leveraged directly for the contract claims: breach, interference, etc. There is no more of the magical connection between copyright and the EULA.
The copyright claims are made without the EULA: derivative work and direct infringement during reversing. They may or may not be winners, but it's at least a break from the prior methods of creating copyright infringement from thin air by writing it into a contract.
If it ever gets argued on the merits, the defendants will have to somehow get past Midway v. Arctic on the derivative work issue and I don't see how they're going to do that.
I don't think the "used judge" market is going to work.
The last time I checked, when these guys are judge shopping, they are only licensing their purchases. They're not real sales subject to section 109 of the Copyright Act, so selling a used judge is copyright infringement.
I think something like an iWarrant store might do better in the market, since it can act as a clearinghouse between the licensed judges and the government customer.
The only problem with that is I know the judges don't like selling their orders on a per-paragraph basis, but that's how the market is trending.
This is all on TBL. He knew that drafting the standard would cause the browsers to implement it before approval, one by one, as competitive forces pushed them.
Still disappointed that he sold out after all he espoused up to that point.
They've taken much less contentious cases directly from district court in the past.
If I didn't know better, I'd say the bench was afflicted by the same "do not upset the guys with the money" malaise that seems to have paralyzed the other two arms of our government.
Oh, wait, I do know better. That's totally not it.
Any hacker? Actually, it's a lot more exploitable than you think. Here's what I'd do if I was actually a bad guy:
Step 1: Have evil app on your lappie forge responses to DNS queries. Everything goes through you. Super easy.
Step 2: Run a simple socket-level proxy on port 80 and 443. Watch traffic on any given device over port 80 until you see a user-agent go by (or just guess off the MAC address). Once you identify an Apple device, forge all SSL connections with a bogus cert. Log all headers and POST data. Maybe HTML returned from remote servers, too.
Sit in Starbucks or Paradise Bakery for a couple hours. Go home, analyze logs, mayhem ensues.
I could easily code this myself. The actual bad guys could certainly do it as well.
Such as the DMCA being used as a tool to prevent people from automating a video game? ;)
This is the true root of the evil that is DRM. It has nothing to do with being ineffective or inconvenient. It's all about creating control over something where it does not legally exist.
In the situation with Adobe's recent announcement, the focus has been too much on the annoyance to the end-user. But looking for the control aspect, it's plain to see how Adobe can change their DRM to create a ton of new licenses. Obsoleting old devices generates a bunch of new purchases, and even existing devices that can be "upgraded" will almost certainly result in more revenue from the device maker to Adobe.
Just rev that DRM every few years to keep the cash flowing. It all comes from the consumer indirectly, anyway.
No sarcasm here. I was actually laughing out loud before reading the body of the post, since I knew what was coming.
Comedy gold.
Well, except the part where we're making fun of how these highly-ranked government officials live in a world devoid of consequences for their actions. But it's still a damn funny headline.
Of course you have less to fear from the US government's authority outside of the US. Mind you, I'm not saying that hosting something outside of the US is a panacea that somehow makes you safe from government overreaches. I'm sure there are many countries and situations, in general, where they can apply pressure.
But security is always about doing the best possible thing, not simply discarding options because they are imperfect.
It's kind of a question of which is worse: the enemy you know, or the enemy you don't know? What we know of the NSA and the US government is that it is an *extremely* serious enemy.
The NSA has far more technical resources than any other country I can think of. And the US government's ability to strongarm its citizens into doing bad things in the US is among the highest I can imagine, right up there with China and North Korea. We've all seen it and to pretend otherwise is foolish.
Given that, I'd expect anyone interested in privacy to try and get as much physical (and corporate) distance from the US. It might not be perfect, but hosting here is just fucking stupid.
Ninja is right: the primary benefit to having your data live outside the US is you escape the US government.
The NSA itself is not the problem to be avoided for your hypothetical. It's safe to assume that the technical capabilities of the NSA are the same everywhere. It's also fairly safe to assume that the "limitations" imposed on the NSA with regards to US citizens are about as effective as a cheese grater at holding water.
Given that you face the same technical challenges anywhere in the globe, being outside of the US is a huge, huge benefit in that you have less to fear from NSL's and court orders. Those are the tools that the government uses to bypass what technology it cannot.
You guys do realize that this case isn't about winning, right?
The government and the **AA don't care at all about winning the case. They care about getting the case started so they can:
- Shut down the website - Send armed men and helicopters to visit Kim - Try to get him extradited - Destroy the whole goddamn business
They've already won. What happens now is of so little consequence that the only discussion around it should be to connect the dots.
A lawsuit is like forcing someone to play a game of American football. They don't care about the score at the end. They care about beating the shit out of you for several hours.
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Re: Re: As someone with some experience in this arena...
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As someone with some experience in this arena...
Actually, the derivative work claim is quite a bit different than the usual "you licensed it, you don't own it, therefore these copies are infringing" kind of logic that was employed in the past.
In this case, the EULA and ToU are only being leveraged directly for the contract claims: breach, interference, etc. There is no more of the magical connection between copyright and the EULA.
The copyright claims are made without the EULA: derivative work and direct infringement during reversing. They may or may not be winners, but it's at least a break from the prior methods of creating copyright infringement from thin air by writing it into a contract.
If it ever gets argued on the merits, the defendants will have to somehow get past Midway v. Arctic on the derivative work issue and I don't see how they're going to do that.
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Oligarchy.
A nd, of course, what just happened with Senator Leahy.
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Go, go, copyright!
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Re: Judge Shopping
The last time I checked, when these guys are judge shopping, they are only licensing their purchases. They're not real sales subject to section 109 of the Copyright Act, so selling a used judge is copyright infringement.
I think something like an iWarrant store might do better in the market, since it can act as a clearinghouse between the licensed judges and the government customer.
The only problem with that is I know the judges don't like selling their orders on a per-paragraph basis, but that's how the market is trending.
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They read all communication in and out, right?
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Re: Re: EME is not yet approved
Still disappointed that he sold out after all he espoused up to that point.
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Aereo's counsel missed an easy one.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/05/mpaa-teachers-should-video-record-tv-screens-not-rip-dvds /
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If I didn't know better, I'd say the bench was afflicted by the same "do not upset the guys with the money" malaise that seems to have paralyzed the other two arms of our government.
Oh, wait, I do know better. That's totally not it.
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Not too surprising that he was unable to find an attorney willing to sign a complaint with that level of ignorance of the law.
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Stop feeding the trolls.
Just downvote and ignore. Otherwise, it will continue to get worse.
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The cell radio is always a separate physical component that can remain locked while the operating system is rooted.
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Re: Any hacker?
Step 1: Have evil app on your lappie forge responses to DNS queries. Everything goes through you. Super easy.
Step 2: Run a simple socket-level proxy on port 80 and 443. Watch traffic on any given device over port 80 until you see a user-agent go by (or just guess off the MAC address). Once you identify an Apple device, forge all SSL connections with a bogus cert. Log all headers and POST data. Maybe HTML returned from remote servers, too.
Sit in Starbucks or Paradise Bakery for a couple hours. Go home, analyze logs, mayhem ensues.
I could easily code this myself. The actual bad guys could certainly do it as well.
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What, you mean like unintended consequences?
This is the true root of the evil that is DRM. It has nothing to do with being ineffective or inconvenient. It's all about creating control over something where it does not legally exist.
In the situation with Adobe's recent announcement, the focus has been too much on the annoyance to the end-user. But looking for the control aspect, it's plain to see how Adobe can change their DRM to create a ton of new licenses. Obsoleting old devices generates a bunch of new purchases, and even existing devices that can be "upgraded" will almost certainly result in more revenue from the device maker to Adobe.
Just rev that DRM every few years to keep the cash flowing. It all comes from the consumer indirectly, anyway.
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Nice headline, Mike.
Comedy gold.
Well, except the part where we're making fun of how these highly-ranked government officials live in a world devoid of consequences for their actions. But it's still a damn funny headline.
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Re: Re: It's the courts, not the tech.
But security is always about doing the best possible thing, not simply discarding options because they are imperfect.
It's kind of a question of which is worse: the enemy you know, or the enemy you don't know? What we know of the NSA and the US government is that it is an *extremely* serious enemy.
The NSA has far more technical resources than any other country I can think of. And the US government's ability to strongarm its citizens into doing bad things in the US is among the highest I can imagine, right up there with China and North Korea. We've all seen it and to pretend otherwise is foolish.
Given that, I'd expect anyone interested in privacy to try and get as much physical (and corporate) distance from the US. It might not be perfect, but hosting here is just fucking stupid.
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It's the courts, not the tech.
The NSA itself is not the problem to be avoided for your hypothetical. It's safe to assume that the technical capabilities of the NSA are the same everywhere. It's also fairly safe to assume that the "limitations" imposed on the NSA with regards to US citizens are about as effective as a cheese grater at holding water.
Given that you face the same technical challenges anywhere in the globe, being outside of the US is a huge, huge benefit in that you have less to fear from NSL's and court orders. Those are the tools that the government uses to bypass what technology it cannot.
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You guys do realize that this case isn't about winning, right?
- Shut down the website
- Send armed men and helicopters to visit Kim
- Try to get him extradited
- Destroy the whole goddamn business
They've already won. What happens now is of so little consequence that the only discussion around it should be to connect the dots.
A lawsuit is like forcing someone to play a game of American football. They don't care about the score at the end. They care about beating the shit out of you for several hours.
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