"So we had one guy who went after big corporations that were abusing rules and loopholes, went after shenanigans on wall street, and he gets the boot because he likes women too much, and as a society we've made that illegal."
I'm mostly ok w/that statement, except for the sake of correctness, Spitzer wasn't given the boot, he resigned. He could have fought if he wanted to.
"I have long observed that people who need to sign their messages with a monstrous list of associations and titles tend to map any and all issues onto the obsessively biased single-purpose cause they support."
That is entirely untrue. This issue speaks directly to the massive Nazi influence on today's government.
Love,
Tgeigs,
Speaking on behalf of God, Allah, and Yaweh...Oh, and Jobu from Major League, love that guy.
Dictator - www.pretentious_blog_signatures.org - TG at pretentious_blog_signatures.org
Executive Blowhard - www.blahblah.org - TG at blahblah.org
Senior Hard On - www.ArentIAmazing.org
King Shit - Alliance for Crazy Long Blog Signatures
Caregiver of The Deus Ex Fanclub on behalf of deceased UNATCO Director Joseph Manderley
Liberty Island, NY
Direct 800-1-UNATCO - 1 pm to 2 pm EST (I invented something, so I don't work more than an hour a day....ever).
"This is industry collusion to cheat employees of the opportunity to let market forces maximize their income and their chances to achieve their full professional potential."
I'm a little frightened here, because I actually agree with you. I have only one, tiny litte question: Do the employers also reserve the right to terminate employees if they seek other employment? Becuase if they do, and neighboring industry competitors can't recruit them, then now no one can move jobs...like...ever.
"Employees who have been limited as a result of this should look at bringing a class action lawsuit and perhaps consider bringing a civil RICO case."
And also they should form a paramilitary guerilla group, mutter incoherent ramblings about God on two-way radios, and build two bomb shelters, one for the men, and one for the women....Or, you know, maybe we just let the DoJ do their job before losing our fucking minds and filing ANOTHER lawsuit, as if this country didn't have enough of them.
"I have long observed that companies who have ethical issues in one part of their business are often equally disreputable in many other aspects of their business conduct."
So you're saying that a corrupt company shouldn't be trusted...how novel of you. I think you should patent that idea.
Tgeigs,
Speaking on behalf of God, Allah, and Yaweh...Oh, and Jobu from Major League, love that guy.
Dictator - www.pretentious_blog_signatures.org - TG at pretentious_blog_signatures.org
Executive Blowhard - www.blahblah.org - TG at blahblah.org
Senior Hard On - www.ArentIAmazing.org
King Shit - Alliance for Crazy Long Blog Signatures
Caregiver of The Deus Ex Fanclub on behalf of deceased UNATCO Director Joseph Manderley
Liberty Island, NY
Direct 800-1-UNATCO - 1 pm to 2 pm EST (I invented something, so I don't work more than an hour a day....ever).
"Guy Sets Up The Rape of His Wife -- But It's Craigslist That Gets The Attention"
No, you got it wrong, it isn't Craigslist, it was Craig's list. You see, the husband's friend Greg needs direction in life, so the husband made out "To Do" lists for Greg. That days:
1. Pick up the dry cleaning
2. Grocery Shopping
3. Rape my wife
4. Clean the gutters (C'mon Greg, they're getting disgusting!)
You'd really think Tony would be too busy figuring out what tree trunk he drunkenly drove his car into or slamming HGH and Andro needles into his players to be filing lawsuits...
Or he sold customer X a server and made a commission on it, then decided he didn't feel like working any more, but you still had to pay him commission on everything sold to X.
In the interest of replying to all of each other's sentences, which we both seem to love so much:
"Who cares?! Owning a solid gold house is out of my reach, so should the government mandate that the prices of solid gold houses be artificially lowered to make them in my reach? Of course not."
Who's talking about government mandates? And the analogy only works if you've got a limited amount of space in which to build those gold houses, say 30 "house slots". If you have only 30 house slots and 30 people willing to pay 100k per gold house, then you'd be stupid to do anything else. But what if you have OTHER land that has MORE of these house slots (other venues, in nearby cities). By charging what the top tier could afford, you've alienated potentially massive amounts of people that will no longer buy your Gold House art, your Gold House interviews/appearences, your Gold House tshirts/patches/stickers/etc., and possibly, will no longer consider your other Gold House slots that are available because you've done pissed them off. So...THAT detrimental effect.
"That makes no sense to me at all."
I believe you.
"Close, I am right."
I don't deal in absolutes, since I spend so much time each day disproving OTHER people's BS absolutes.
"Thanks!"
You're Welcome!
"I won't because I have no cause to complain. There are millions of things on this planet I want but cannot afford. Complaining about things I cannot afford is a pure waste of time."
I meant from the perspective of the ticket seller and/or venue. Which I think you knew.
"What "detrimental economic effect"?! People have been buying tickets at market value, i.e., through scalpers for decades. But yet year after year people keep doing it."
And as I thought I'd already explained, that's because a decent portion of the less-wealthy fanbase has already been served with the lower priced tix. Afterall, not EVERY ticket sold is then scalped.
"Me neither, I just put it in for a hyperbolic joke. ;-)"
Fair enough. I'm used to Christian retards in my life espousing the "morality" of their religion, even though they often haven't bothered studying that religion's history, origins, policies, beliefs, etc. They annoy me.
"The myth that setting a market price somehow fleeces the customer has to come to an end."
That myth only applies in a truly free market, which we don't have. The problem with equating true market value and willingness to pay in the case of a limited number of seats is that the free market value might be out of reach for a large number of consumers. In that case, like here in America, scalpers are able to function because a band doesn't want the price of the show to be out of reach for their fans, but scalpers can still make money off those willing to pay the higher prices, thus generating more early ticket sales, etc. etc.
After all, you might be able to find 17k people willing to pay $250 per ticket for Disturbed tickets and fill the United Center, because 17k people COULD pay that price. But if 97% of Disturb's fans CAN'T pay that price, they risk alienating them by charging the "true market value".
"The sole reason scalpers exist is because ticket prices are set well below their market value."
Mmmmmm no. That's only part of the reason. The other part is that ticket sellers don't want the hassle of using ALL of the avenues available to get tickets to fans. In many cases, more in sporting events than any other, they want the fans to come to them. Sometimes the fans don't want to. Scalpers also actively market the events, informing their regular clients of times/dates etc.
"What exactly is wrong with someone selling a product or a service at the market price? Where is the "fleecing""
You're probably right, there isn't any true fleecing. Nor is there anything wrong with charging as high as the market will bear. Just don't complain when the bands and artists want to go another route because of the consequences.
"Selling a product or service at a price someone is willing to pay is completely rational, reasonable, legal, and moral."
Well, two out of four ain't bad I suppose. Reasonable and legal, absolutely. Rational...usually, unless you keep doing it after a detrimental economic effect.
Moral...I don't know what that means. It certainly doesn't morally play nicely with Christianity, with all of its messages of giving more and taking less, and of being satisfied with reasonable amounts, rather than whatever "someone is willing to pay" (the parable of the three workers in the vineyard comes to mind). I don't know enough about the other religions to say one way or the other, but what religion EVER stated "And the Lord looked down and said, 'Make sure you get every penny you can, because that is good and just'"?
I pay for it all the time. I am constantly scouring my copy of the Chicago RedEye for appearences by the artists/bands I download. When they're music is good, I LOVE paying for their tickets.
"I don't see why signing Sony is so bad as long as they aren't going to only be selling music"
The problem is that it's a music store that has an Indie background w/an Indie customer base that specifically dislikes companies like Sony. If your customers hate Sony and you add Sony, then raise your subscription prices on EVERYONE regardless of what they download, that doesn't add value, it adds price w/o value to a majority of your base.
It's like starting a civil rights and tolerance conference and having Syria be your keynote speaker.
Sounds like maybe eMusic got greedy and screwed the pooch:
"eMusic is a rather successful indie music e-commerce player (reports put it at the 2nd largest music store), that has focused on charging people a subscription that lets them download a limited number of songs each month"
Did anyone make THEM aware of that? If you're the 2nd largest music store and you've been successful at charging a subscription fee, you're earnings statements probably look pretty decent. Why sign Sony? Did they want to break out of indie music? If so, what was the reason for the disconnect w/their fans?
"the fact that many people signed up with eMusic because of its indie music focus, and related to that: their dislike of major record labels"
I completely agree. I know people that use sites like these BECAUSE they dislike Sony and their ilk. It's a sort of enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. Then they stumble across some good indie music and bang, their hooked. However...
"It's become: "eMusic had to raise prices to get Sony Music's catalog into the system.""
Bull. It ALWAYS WAS eMusic choosing to raise their prices to bring on Sony's catalog. The problem is they didn't take their lessons from the Sony Reich on how to be all sneaky and shifty about it.
But again, what the hell is the disconnect with their customers? Was there a recent change in ownership or an influx of outside investment in eMusic? Because otherwise, this move just doesn't make any sense. Was eMusic management always a bunch of Indie posers, the way Good Charlotte faked their ridiculous "English" accents?
"That makes both eMusic and Sony Music look dreadful -- because here's a major record label, whose music many eMusic subscribers didn't want in the first place, now being seen as having made life worse (and more expensive) for everyone"
I couldn't disagree more. Blame will be placed squarely eMusic's managment, mark my words. Because this move made eMusic "look dreadful", and Sony look like....Sony. You don't get mad at the enemy when Benedict Arnold commits treason...you get made at Benedict Arnold.
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Re: Spitzer Swallow
I'm mostly ok w/that statement, except for the sake of correctness, Spitzer wasn't given the boot, he resigned. He could have fought if he wanted to.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Apparently nobody watches TV anymore...
I know, stupid US Supreme Court...
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Re:
Cheers. Pun intended.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Intentionally Suppressing Wages & Opportunities
That is entirely untrue. This issue speaks directly to the massive Nazi influence on today's government.
Love,
Tgeigs,
Speaking on behalf of God, Allah, and Yaweh...Oh, and Jobu from Major League, love that guy.
Dictator - www.pretentious_blog_signatures.org - TG at pretentious_blog_signatures.org
Executive Blowhard - www.blahblah.org - TG at blahblah.org
Senior Hard On - www.ArentIAmazing.org
King Shit - Alliance for Crazy Long Blog Signatures
Caregiver of The Deus Ex Fanclub on behalf of deceased UNATCO Director Joseph Manderley
Liberty Island, NY
Direct 800-1-UNATCO - 1 pm to 2 pm EST (I invented something, so I don't work more than an hour a day....ever).
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Re: Wha...???!!!
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Re: Intentionally Suppressing Wages & Opportunities
I'm a little frightened here, because I actually agree with you. I have only one, tiny litte question: Do the employers also reserve the right to terminate employees if they seek other employment? Becuase if they do, and neighboring industry competitors can't recruit them, then now no one can move jobs...like...ever.
"Employees who have been limited as a result of this should look at bringing a class action lawsuit and perhaps consider bringing a civil RICO case."
And also they should form a paramilitary guerilla group, mutter incoherent ramblings about God on two-way radios, and build two bomb shelters, one for the men, and one for the women....Or, you know, maybe we just let the DoJ do their job before losing our fucking minds and filing ANOTHER lawsuit, as if this country didn't have enough of them.
"I have long observed that companies who have ethical issues in one part of their business are often equally disreputable in many other aspects of their business conduct."
So you're saying that a corrupt company shouldn't be trusted...how novel of you. I think you should patent that idea.
Tgeigs,
Speaking on behalf of God, Allah, and Yaweh...Oh, and Jobu from Major League, love that guy.
Dictator - www.pretentious_blog_signatures.org - TG at pretentious_blog_signatures.org
Executive Blowhard - www.blahblah.org - TG at blahblah.org
Senior Hard On - www.ArentIAmazing.org
King Shit - Alliance for Crazy Long Blog Signatures
Caregiver of The Deus Ex Fanclub on behalf of deceased UNATCO Director Joseph Manderley
Liberty Island, NY
Direct 800-1-UNATCO - 1 pm to 2 pm EST (I invented something, so I don't work more than an hour a day....ever).
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Re: Re: Re:
Nothing says hard working musician like drunken comment posting at 6pm...
But seriously, I'm going to check out your tunes at least. I figure supporting musicians who actually ENTER the discussion is a good thing.
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Wrong
No, you got it wrong, it isn't Craigslist, it was Craig's list. You see, the husband's friend Greg needs direction in life, so the husband made out "To Do" lists for Greg. That days:
1. Pick up the dry cleaning
2. Grocery Shopping
3. Rape my wife
4. Clean the gutters (C'mon Greg, they're getting disgusting!)
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Huh
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Re: Re: Re: paying for music
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Re: Re: Re:
"Who cares?! Owning a solid gold house is out of my reach, so should the government mandate that the prices of solid gold houses be artificially lowered to make them in my reach? Of course not."
Who's talking about government mandates? And the analogy only works if you've got a limited amount of space in which to build those gold houses, say 30 "house slots". If you have only 30 house slots and 30 people willing to pay 100k per gold house, then you'd be stupid to do anything else. But what if you have OTHER land that has MORE of these house slots (other venues, in nearby cities). By charging what the top tier could afford, you've alienated potentially massive amounts of people that will no longer buy your Gold House art, your Gold House interviews/appearences, your Gold House tshirts/patches/stickers/etc., and possibly, will no longer consider your other Gold House slots that are available because you've done pissed them off. So...THAT detrimental effect.
"That makes no sense to me at all."
I believe you.
"Close, I am right."
I don't deal in absolutes, since I spend so much time each day disproving OTHER people's BS absolutes.
"Thanks!"
You're Welcome!
"I won't because I have no cause to complain. There are millions of things on this planet I want but cannot afford. Complaining about things I cannot afford is a pure waste of time."
I meant from the perspective of the ticket seller and/or venue. Which I think you knew.
"What "detrimental economic effect"?! People have been buying tickets at market value, i.e., through scalpers for decades. But yet year after year people keep doing it."
And as I thought I'd already explained, that's because a decent portion of the less-wealthy fanbase has already been served with the lower priced tix. Afterall, not EVERY ticket sold is then scalped.
"Me neither, I just put it in for a hyperbolic joke. ;-)"
Fair enough. I'm used to Christian retards in my life espousing the "morality" of their religion, even though they often haven't bothered studying that religion's history, origins, policies, beliefs, etc. They annoy me.
You do not....yet.
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Re: Re:
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Re:
That myth only applies in a truly free market, which we don't have. The problem with equating true market value and willingness to pay in the case of a limited number of seats is that the free market value might be out of reach for a large number of consumers. In that case, like here in America, scalpers are able to function because a band doesn't want the price of the show to be out of reach for their fans, but scalpers can still make money off those willing to pay the higher prices, thus generating more early ticket sales, etc. etc.
After all, you might be able to find 17k people willing to pay $250 per ticket for Disturbed tickets and fill the United Center, because 17k people COULD pay that price. But if 97% of Disturb's fans CAN'T pay that price, they risk alienating them by charging the "true market value".
"The sole reason scalpers exist is because ticket prices are set well below their market value."
Mmmmmm no. That's only part of the reason. The other part is that ticket sellers don't want the hassle of using ALL of the avenues available to get tickets to fans. In many cases, more in sporting events than any other, they want the fans to come to them. Sometimes the fans don't want to. Scalpers also actively market the events, informing their regular clients of times/dates etc.
"What exactly is wrong with someone selling a product or a service at the market price? Where is the "fleecing""
You're probably right, there isn't any true fleecing. Nor is there anything wrong with charging as high as the market will bear. Just don't complain when the bands and artists want to go another route because of the consequences.
"Selling a product or service at a price someone is willing to pay is completely rational, reasonable, legal, and moral."
Well, two out of four ain't bad I suppose. Reasonable and legal, absolutely. Rational...usually, unless you keep doing it after a detrimental economic effect.
Moral...I don't know what that means. It certainly doesn't morally play nicely with Christianity, with all of its messages of giving more and taking less, and of being satisfied with reasonable amounts, rather than whatever "someone is willing to pay" (the parable of the three workers in the vineyard comes to mind). I don't know enough about the other religions to say one way or the other, but what religion EVER stated "And the Lord looked down and said, 'Make sure you get every penny you can, because that is good and just'"?
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What the hell do Cher and U2 have to do w/one another?
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Re:
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Re: Re: So this is The famed "Texas Justice"?
In which case we should all secede from ourselves, just to make we an example...
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Re: Sean
The problem is that it's a music store that has an Indie background w/an Indie customer base that specifically dislikes companies like Sony. If your customers hate Sony and you add Sony, then raise your subscription prices on EVERYONE regardless of what they download, that doesn't add value, it adds price w/o value to a majority of your base.
It's like starting a civil rights and tolerance conference and having Syria be your keynote speaker.
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Sounds like maybe eMusic got greedy and screwed the pooch:
Did anyone make THEM aware of that? If you're the 2nd largest music store and you've been successful at charging a subscription fee, you're earnings statements probably look pretty decent. Why sign Sony? Did they want to break out of indie music? If so, what was the reason for the disconnect w/their fans?
"the fact that many people signed up with eMusic because of its indie music focus, and related to that: their dislike of major record labels"
I completely agree. I know people that use sites like these BECAUSE they dislike Sony and their ilk. It's a sort of enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. Then they stumble across some good indie music and bang, their hooked. However...
"It's become: "eMusic had to raise prices to get Sony Music's catalog into the system.""
Bull. It ALWAYS WAS eMusic choosing to raise their prices to bring on Sony's catalog. The problem is they didn't take their lessons from the Sony Reich on how to be all sneaky and shifty about it.
But again, what the hell is the disconnect with their customers? Was there a recent change in ownership or an influx of outside investment in eMusic? Because otherwise, this move just doesn't make any sense. Was eMusic management always a bunch of Indie posers, the way Good Charlotte faked their ridiculous "English" accents?
"That makes both eMusic and Sony Music look dreadful -- because here's a major record label, whose music many eMusic subscribers didn't want in the first place, now being seen as having made life worse (and more expensive) for everyone"
I couldn't disagree more. Blame will be placed squarely eMusic's managment, mark my words. Because this move made eMusic "look dreadful", and Sony look like....Sony. You don't get mad at the enemy when Benedict Arnold commits treason...you get made at Benedict Arnold.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
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Would've been funny...
"APB on Ben Krobber. We're on the lookout for a Ben Krobber!"
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