Torrents are also the primary means to distribute most open source software (outside of the various Linux distro installers). The technology (not sure about the actual file format) is used to distribute tons of game content behind the scenes.
I'll grant that much of the torrent traffic is copyright infringement, but that is also a civil matter and is (as has been shown in several studies) generally harmless if not helpful.
Of course not because that leak wasn't an official release so it's not really accurate. Anything in there you don't like isn't actually in the real one and we're fixing all the bad things.
Just trust us, we'll give you all the details you need to know!
I suspect they are just trying to throw as much ridiculousness into this is possible so they can 'compromise' to something that is still ridiculous, but doesn't seem as bad because of where they started.
me: So what do you think of these aggregators?
Keller: Their horrible! Pirates all of them. Always stealing our stories without even thinking of paying for them.
me: So they come to you and get stories, then they write about them on their site, and sometimes place exact quotes from your site on theirs.
Keller: Yeah. It's so frustrating.
me: So how do you get your stories?
Keller: We do the real work, out on the streets talking to people, researching, fact checking.
me: So you go out, get a story from somebody, get some quotes, and some perspective?
Keller: Exactly. Real Journalism.
me: So these people to take the story from, take their quotes, and the places you find the facts to copy down... how much do you pay them?
Keller: Pay them!? We're not some cheap rag like Star or something. We don't pay for our stories, it would be unethical.
me: So, when you get a story from somebody, and put it in your paper, paying for that would be unethical?
Keller: Right!
me: And if HuffPo gets a story from you and puts it on their sight without paying you that's unethical?
Keller: Exactly!
me: So does ethical mean giving you money?
Keller: Well of course it does, we're a cornerstone of democracy, everybody should be giving us money!
And if you cannot accept that there are many options that don't rely on an artificial scarcity then you fail and I don't feel sorry for you. There will be people in drove that come behind you and clean up.
Creative people will create. Business savvy people will find ways to help them make money if they can't do it for themselves.
There is no evidence, zero, none, nada, zip, zilch that piracy results in lesser creative output.
Things change, they move on, they find ways to exist. We've had creative output in time of no copyright, minimal copyright, and massive overreaching copyright. Copyright policy, not matter what it is, will not halt the creation or lessen the quality of new works even if it may impact they type of things that get created.
If you can't understand these things, with hundreds of years and mountains of evidence to back them up, you are simply not worth talking to.
"We live in a world where economics makes us do things that are against our self intersts, because of the short term benefits. We buy things from the other side of the world instead of producing them locally, to save a few cents at retail. We live in houses far from our workplaces, travel back and forth in oil consuming and pollution creating cars and SUVs, all because economically it works better for now. The recent oil shocks have shown many Americans that this is an unfair trade off. But the free market said it was fine, now it is not."
It is not economics and the free market that make us do things, it is the free market that responds to our demands and economics is simply a tool to help us understand and describe how the system works. We manufacture things overseas because we, as a population, place more value on saving money over locally produced items (which can certainly be argued is a good way to go). We generally live far from our work because we simply can't afford to live closer, or value something in the location we choose to live. Driving 'pollution creating cars and SUVs' is still, in general, the most efficient means of transportation (but we are working on better ones).
"I don't think anyone wants to prop up dead industries. It is incredibly hard in the current market conditions, with rampant piracy, to really determine winning and losing strategies. Almost any strategy that involves profit is under attack and undermined by the actions of those who don't respect the works and rights of others. Those are circumstances that must be fought against strongly, as they mislead us as to what is right and wrong. We are too busy satisfying our lust for all entertainment and all information without considering how it will be replenished in the future."
There is no evidence that piracy is causing any harm to the entertainment industries. Oh noes, it's hard to run a successful business and find a successful business model... poor baby.
I have yet to see anybody 'attack' a person/business because they want to make a profit. I have seen much outrage about 'strategies' that involve screwing over customers though.
Entertainment doesn't have to be 'replenished', especially in this day and age. We certainly desire more to be created, but absolutely does not require we grant 100+ year complete control of various works to anybody.
"Copyright isn't the pain that many here try to paint it. It is really rules of the road to allow for the replenishing of content, a common language for doing business. Creating a solid foundation is what encourages future development. In shifting sands, some will pitch tents, claiming the new world, only to find themselves buried the next day."
Copyright may not be bad at all, but there are mountains of evidence that shows our current level of copyright is both unnecessary and damaging. There is significant evidence that large bodies of good, even great, content will be produced without copyright at all. I suspect there is some optimal level that will encourage significant investments in new works that is far less than what we have now.
"Balance is great. So is respect."
Yes it is. So lets bring balance back to copyright by reducing its massive overreaches and show respect for content creators, consumers, and the ability to share our common culture.
This is one of the reasons I love this site. In no time at all the commenters have basically nailed Mike on several different points and added much more information to the story. The folks here don't seem to have much of a 'follow whatever Mike says' tendency.
While I don't think this is really a story I do think this is an anecdotal situation of a much larger problem. Politicians just deciding to get involved in situations the government has no reason to be in.
I think there is a difference between respecting a decision that you don't agree with and wanting something to be illegal. I don't think there should be a legal requirement for Pay Pal to not block the account, but I certainly don't respect the decision.
I'm sure there are large industries and companies that would like to see much more sensible copyright and patent law. Why don't we see similar tactics being used to push through reduction in copyright terms, independent invention defenses, or any number of other common sense proposals.
Is the money on the more, more, more side really that much larger? We've seen the (sometimes a bit tongue in cheek) reports of how much more money is in copyright free areas, why is the pressure in that direction so lacking?
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You're just not worth actually talking to, but you're fun to mock sometimes. :)
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I'll grant that much of the torrent traffic is copyright infringement, but that is also a civil matter and is (as has been shown in several studies) generally harmless if not helpful.
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Just trust us, we'll give you all the details you need to know!
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Extreme because it has to be
While I don't want any TSA agents charged under this law I doubt any will be.
Go New Hampshire!
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Still absolutely pathetic and depressing.
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Interview
Keller: Their horrible! Pirates all of them. Always stealing our stories without even thinking of paying for them.
me: So they come to you and get stories, then they write about them on their site, and sometimes place exact quotes from your site on theirs.
Keller: Yeah. It's so frustrating.
me: So how do you get your stories?
Keller: We do the real work, out on the streets talking to people, researching, fact checking.
me: So you go out, get a story from somebody, get some quotes, and some perspective?
Keller: Exactly. Real Journalism.
me: So these people to take the story from, take their quotes, and the places you find the facts to copy down... how much do you pay them?
Keller: Pay them!? We're not some cheap rag like Star or something. We don't pay for our stories, it would be unethical.
me: So, when you get a story from somebody, and put it in your paper, paying for that would be unethical?
Keller: Right!
me: And if HuffPo gets a story from you and puts it on their sight without paying you that's unethical?
Keller: Exactly!
me: So does ethical mean giving you money?
Keller: Well of course it does, we're a cornerstone of democracy, everybody should be giving us money!
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Creative people will create. Business savvy people will find ways to help them make money if they can't do it for themselves.
There is no evidence, zero, none, nada, zip, zilch that piracy results in lesser creative output.
Things change, they move on, they find ways to exist. We've had creative output in time of no copyright, minimal copyright, and massive overreaching copyright. Copyright policy, not matter what it is, will not halt the creation or lessen the quality of new works even if it may impact they type of things that get created.
If you can't understand these things, with hundreds of years and mountains of evidence to back them up, you are simply not worth talking to.
On the post: Even WIPO Realizing That Copyright Law May Have Gone Too Far
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"We live in a world where economics makes us do things that are against our self intersts, because of the short term benefits. We buy things from the other side of the world instead of producing them locally, to save a few cents at retail. We live in houses far from our workplaces, travel back and forth in oil consuming and pollution creating cars and SUVs, all because economically it works better for now. The recent oil shocks have shown many Americans that this is an unfair trade off. But the free market said it was fine, now it is not."
It is not economics and the free market that make us do things, it is the free market that responds to our demands and economics is simply a tool to help us understand and describe how the system works. We manufacture things overseas because we, as a population, place more value on saving money over locally produced items (which can certainly be argued is a good way to go). We generally live far from our work because we simply can't afford to live closer, or value something in the location we choose to live. Driving 'pollution creating cars and SUVs' is still, in general, the most efficient means of transportation (but we are working on better ones).
"I don't think anyone wants to prop up dead industries. It is incredibly hard in the current market conditions, with rampant piracy, to really determine winning and losing strategies. Almost any strategy that involves profit is under attack and undermined by the actions of those who don't respect the works and rights of others. Those are circumstances that must be fought against strongly, as they mislead us as to what is right and wrong. We are too busy satisfying our lust for all entertainment and all information without considering how it will be replenished in the future."
There is no evidence that piracy is causing any harm to the entertainment industries. Oh noes, it's hard to run a successful business and find a successful business model... poor baby.
I have yet to see anybody 'attack' a person/business because they want to make a profit. I have seen much outrage about 'strategies' that involve screwing over customers though.
Entertainment doesn't have to be 'replenished', especially in this day and age. We certainly desire more to be created, but absolutely does not require we grant 100+ year complete control of various works to anybody.
"Copyright isn't the pain that many here try to paint it. It is really rules of the road to allow for the replenishing of content, a common language for doing business. Creating a solid foundation is what encourages future development. In shifting sands, some will pitch tents, claiming the new world, only to find themselves buried the next day."
Copyright may not be bad at all, but there are mountains of evidence that shows our current level of copyright is both unnecessary and damaging. There is significant evidence that large bodies of good, even great, content will be produced without copyright at all. I suspect there is some optimal level that will encourage significant investments in new works that is far less than what we have now.
"Balance is great. So is respect."
Yes it is. So lets bring balance back to copyright by reducing its massive overreaches and show respect for content creators, consumers, and the ability to share our common culture.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ville
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This is why I love Techdirt
While I don't think this is really a story I do think this is an anecdotal situation of a much larger problem. Politicians just deciding to get involved in situations the government has no reason to be in.
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Why doesn't this happen the other way?
Is the money on the more, more, more side really that much larger? We've seen the (sometimes a bit tongue in cheek) reports of how much more money is in copyright free areas, why is the pressure in that direction so lacking?
On the post: Record Labels Planning Yet Another Way To Try To Get You To Rebuy Music You Already 'Bought'
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Thats the next step, in about ten years.
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