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They may not sell them as genuine, but the reason to buy them is to give your friends / whoever the impressing that you did buy the real thing.
Most evidence suggests people aren't fooled by a Prado bag.
Further, duplicating something (and including logos, etc) is a violation of trademark, and possibly copyright on design elements, etc). You don't even have to specifically hit counterfeiting to get this one shut down (and it's down, BTW).
Yeah... Hitting a website is really going to stop people from selling (or buying) counterfeit goods for a cheaper price
Ninjavideo - A grand total of $30 came from Google Adsense. They made money from providing a service and donations. But there is NOTHING about how much those donations were nor where the money came from. Not an ICE report, not a court document, nothing. So you're still barking up the wrong tree.
Limewire - The guy HAD a hedgefund before he started Limewire. Get your story straight.
When I say a criminal enterprise, I'm thinking more mafia or gang related ties. They don't have profit margins because DVD players and CDs/DVDs are common goods.
In other words, the "criminal element" has moved on to drugs or guns as a way to make money through illicit goods. But piracy, for the most part, doesn't have those types trying to break down your door for downloading ET.
Anyone can go to TPB, find a movie and download it before watching in theaters. But somehow the profits continue to eclipse the US economy. Fancy that.
Truly criminal enterprises would not be slowed or deterred by these provisions;
Small note. There is no money to be made in piracy. Therefore there are no actual criminal enterprises in this pursuit of people wanting content in their area.
Ask him how he feels about Metallica taking songs from other artists. Then ask him how it felt to learn the chords of Slash, Axl Rose, or any other Metal head.
What you're trying to communicate is that the simple things he's doing is copyright infringement. If he can't pick up a guitar, learn from the people that came before, then learn how to make money from their examples, then he's a dirty thief. That's how the music industry has contempt for others.
It was a close one, I'll admit. But it's a good thing that one of the Supremes was a Computer Scientist based on the fact that he understood technology far better than anyone else. My response above shows how a Supreme Court Judge allowed Fair Use to win the day.
And I'm glad that Judge Stevens proved you wrong by answering the right questions. Could this technology be used in ways noninfringing? Hence, the reason we have Fair Use in the first place.
I think it's going to be pertinent to get to the major complaints about this petition and nip it in the bud.
Jason Stall tried to fight piracy and lost. Here are his words:
I am signing because as an independent filmmaker / Producer there is no bigger issue to our industry. Content theft is destroying my art and my livelihood. It is taking money from my pocket, all my teams pocket and leaves no return for our investors that support and fund our projects. This is not a "major" studio issue, it is a industry issue on every level. I am always skeptical of organizations that I don't know, but I have spent the time researching Creative American. I support this organization because it is a united effort between labor, guilds and content producers to protect the jobs and creativity of all the people who work in the industry. This includes filmmakers, crew members, actors, editors, caterers, hotel operators, restaurants, really anyone who during a production benefits from a film being made. There is no group more directly effected by content theft than independent films. Our movies have been stolen over 250,000 times. We need to go after the international criminal enterprises profiting from this theft. We need tougher legislation to be in place so we can protect our art, our jobs, our industry... Please spend the time to really research the legislation and Creative America....we need a united voice.
First, content theft is not destroying him. No content is being taken, it's being shared and he has yet to figure out how to monetize. Also, people have interest in new movies, and his filmography is not that long.
He's also dead wrong about these criminal enterprises. There are NO profit margins to piracy with either terrorist links or organized crime links. And if he's researched this, I have to criticize the facts that this legislation would put Justin Bieber as well as Richard O'Dwyer in jail.
Websites trafficking in stolen film and TV content get nearly 150 million visits every day, more than 50 billion visits per year. As an independent film producer I have seen my films that I put my own money into, uploaded to the internet for free viewing. Why people don't understand this is theft is beyond me. Do you steal from the grocery store? Do you walk into a Starbucks and just take what you want without paying? Do you go to the mall, try on the clothes you like and take them home? No, because you know it's theft and you know it's not only ethically wrong but it's illegal. Yes, the big guys like Disney and Warner Bros. are supporting this because they have the money to do it. Yes, they are protecting their "corporate interests" because it's legally their profit. This is not about "censuring the internet" this is about illegal access to someone else's products. MY products, MY income, MY ability to hire people to work on my films. And before you belligerently assume I'm some Hollywood millionaire, living in a mansion, who doesn't "work" for a living - like 99% of all people here in Los Angeles, I work my ass off full-time at a "real" job just like you, clip coupons and buy generic to make ends meet, have a mortgage and drive a 13 year old Honda. And I don't steal other people's property just because everyone else is doing it. So yes, read up on this issue and maybe you'll realize you are not entitled to free music, films, TV shows, or any other form of intellectual property.
I find it amazing that Whitney has put out trailers, but decided not to put the movie on Youtube. But she's getting mad that others are taking advantage of revenue that she's not monetizing. How is that stealing? Do I get mad at the TV for showing a commercial for my end product? Or do I find a new station that's going to pay for my content? How about building new content and utilizing the space that is given?
I am signing this because I have been a part of the Music Industry since I was 12 years of age, and having my Intellectual Properties mishandled, truly is something I know I am not the only one this is happening to. Is there anything being done about it? NO! Something should be done. The Companies, and Lawyers who are all a part of this happening to someone should seriously be looked into. After releasing 4 Studio Albums, which has been distributed by a very powerful Independent, coupled with Major Label(s)... my ASCAP checks are as little as $0.49. When people don't have the money to pay high powered Lawyers to help them in their Suits to justice, they just fall by the wayside, and that's unfair. Why are the laws set up to the point where it's almost made okay for people to steal? Never mind go ahead and make money off a Creator's works and Art... this type of practice should END. For far too long powerful people have been taking advantage of those who are the Creators of Music, and Films. As a Songwriter, Composer, Producer, and now Administering my own Publishing Company, I recently had 2 of my songs used on a MAJOR TELEVISION Platform (I will not disclose the Network), but I would like to see these days put to an end. people have families to feed, homes to take care of, and livelihoods being taken away. THIS SHOULD STOP NOW! Put an end to it ALL! JUSTICE!!!
I believe our content producer is looking at the wrong petition and that's what's sad. The CA petition is set up to work against him and his interests. And it's funny that he shows how much ASCAP is paying him. $.49 when ASCAP sues businesses for THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. It should not take lawyers to make music. It shouldn't take lawyers to protect rights already inherent to you. And if the playing field was truly level, Noshayah would be able to see practices such as RIAA accounting stop taking advantage of him.
I've made the argument on a number of occasions and most of the data confirms. If you give people new legal avenues to content, they'll go willingly to support you. What's amazing to me is that most of the people seem to believe that the market for DVDs is limitless. But it somehow feels like people are moving to streaming content and internet based media. DVDs are on their way out the door. Or at least, they won't be bought in the numbers that they are today.
Alright Tepp. Let's be clear. The industry has been fighting infringement since the 80s. It hasn't worked. At all. I've explained countless times to you about how you can make the piracy work for you and you still don't listen. You choose to cover your ears and say "Na, na, na, can't hear you".
So, let's take this global, shall we? Has copyright enforcement helped out in Brazil? No, it has not. You can buy quickly copied games for $100 USD. Also, as is part of the testimony from a Brazilian on an American show, you find out that how they play games is to share them amongst friends. Meaning the industry doesn't make more money, it loses to piracy because it's not serving customers.
Now, as I've told you countless times, you should look into the Media Piracy book. And yet you continue on your rant about how piracy is killing the economy. With nothing more than faith based economics. That continue not to work.
There's plenty of anecdotal and provable research to show you that piracy does a lot more than enforcement.
Michael D Smith - Channels & Conflict: Response to Digital Media Distribution, Impact on Sales and Internet Piracy
Summary - Piracy is the industry's fault for taking away legal alternatives.
Summary - Fair Use trumps copyright enforcement and leads to more money circulating.
And I could go on and on and on and on and on but you get the point. You have NOTHING to back you up. You've done no research but expect people to believe you because "herp a derp, I don't know how digital works" The alternative is that the MPAA and RIAA put their nose to the grindstone, stop suing people and making alternatives to piracy. Make alternatives to what is free. Make new services that rival what a pirate can do. Make new services and products that don't rely on copyright law to take away someone's civil rights. Make stuff that entice people to buy. That's always been the central theme. And from the looks of it, artists of all types have been doing just that. The MPAA and RIAA are about to become irrelevant if they don't change course. They can lock up a few spots of culture now, but it won't last.
So laugh all you want. You have the information in this post that says that you're woefully inaccurate in believing that enforcement will save the day. It will not. What will is offering something better, which is again something you don't understand how to do. That's not my problem.
Now if you'll excuse me, Valve has another sale on games that has me spending $5 for 5 games this week.
He violated the Miracle Millennium Anti-Replication Act (MMAA) when he replicated wine at a wedding feast in Cana of Galilee.
Then the medical industry complained about how he practiced medicine without a license. But his healing rate was near 100%. Theirs was much lower without lime soap being invented.
And those pirates on the Red Sea were real pissed when he was walking on the water right next to him.
The morticians wanted his resurrection to be a criminal offense. They lost revenue when they couldn't exhume the body.
The CA people can't count. How does 4,000 look like 100,000? If you squint just right you can eke out two more people, maybe even 3 more. It's kind of funny.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with counterfeit goods is that they're counterfeit.
Most evidence suggests people aren't fooled by a Prado bag.
Further, duplicating something (and including logos, etc) is a violation of trademark, and possibly copyright on design elements, etc). You don't even have to specifically hit counterfeiting to get this one shut down (and it's down, BTW).
Yeah... Hitting a website is really going to stop people from selling (or buying) counterfeit goods for a cheaper price
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Limewire - The guy HAD a hedgefund before he started Limewire. Get your story straight.
When I say a criminal enterprise, I'm thinking more mafia or gang related ties. They don't have profit margins because DVD players and CDs/DVDs are common goods.
In other words, the "criminal element" has moved on to drugs or guns as a way to make money through illicit goods. But piracy, for the most part, doesn't have those types trying to break down your door for downloading ET.
Anyone can go to TPB, find a movie and download it before watching in theaters. But somehow the profits continue to eclipse the US economy. Fancy that.
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I wouldn't trust a union that decides before hand, which has happened in the past.
"How about a little bet Jay? "
Why? I have no interest in betting on legislation aimed at breaking the internet.
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Small note. There is no money to be made in piracy. Therefore there are no actual criminal enterprises in this pursuit of people wanting content in their area.
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What you're trying to communicate is that the simple things he's doing is copyright infringement. If he can't pick up a guitar, learn from the people that came before, then learn how to make money from their examples, then he's a dirty thief. That's how the music industry has contempt for others.
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Re: Special case, already a big hit, and GREED hasn't grabbed this guy yet.
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The three major contenders
Jason Stall tried to fight piracy and lost. Here are his words:
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First, content theft is not destroying him. No content is being taken, it's being shared and he has yet to figure out how to monetize. Also, people have interest in new movies, and his filmography is not that long.
He's also dead wrong about these criminal enterprises. There are NO profit margins to piracy with either terrorist links or organized crime links. And if he's researched this, I have to criticize the facts that this legislation would put Justin Bieber as well as Richard O'Dwyer in jail.
Whitney Boe has this to say:
I find it amazing that Whitney has put out trailers, but decided not to put the movie on Youtube. But she's getting mad that others are taking advantage of revenue that she's not monetizing. How is that stealing? Do I get mad at the TV for showing a commercial for my end product? Or do I find a new station that's going to pay for my content? How about building new content and utilizing the space that is given?
And the most realistic one (IMO) is Noshayah DaMuzikbox
I believe our content producer is looking at the wrong petition and that's what's sad. The CA petition is set up to work against him and his interests. And it's funny that he shows how much ASCAP is paying him. $.49 when ASCAP sues businesses for THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. It should not take lawyers to make music. It shouldn't take lawyers to protect rights already inherent to you. And if the playing field was truly level, Noshayah would be able to see practices such as RIAA accounting stop taking advantage of him.
I've made the argument on a number of occasions and most of the data confirms. If you give people new legal avenues to content, they'll go willingly to support you. What's amazing to me is that most of the people seem to believe that the market for DVDs is limitless. But it somehow feels like people are moving to streaming content and internet based media. DVDs are on their way out the door. Or at least, they won't be bought in the numbers that they are today.
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*sigh*
So, let's take this global, shall we? Has copyright enforcement helped out in Brazil? No, it has not. You can buy quickly copied games for $100 USD. Also, as is part of the testimony from a Brazilian on an American show, you find out that how they play games is to share them amongst friends. Meaning the industry doesn't make more money, it loses to piracy because it's not serving customers.
Now, as I've told you countless times, you should look into the Media Piracy book. And yet you continue on your rant about how piracy is killing the economy. With nothing more than faith based economics. That continue not to work.
There's plenty of anecdotal and provable research to show you that piracy does a lot more than enforcement.
Michael D Smith - Channels & Conflict: Response to Digital Media Distribution, Impact on Sales and Internet Piracy
Summary - Piracy is the industry's fault for taking away legal alternatives.
Fox Piracy
Summary - Piracy is the industry's fault for taking away legal alternatives.
Envisional report
Summary - Piracy is the industry's own fault for not providing legal alternatives
Valve Software
Summary - Provide legal alternatives, continue to adapt, find out what customers want and they'll spend money on your successful experiments.
Open Rights Group
Summary - Lack of availability leads to infringement
CCIA and their Fair Use Report
Summary - Fair Use trumps copyright enforcement and leads to more money circulating.
And I could go on and on and on and on and on but you get the point. You have NOTHING to back you up. You've done no research but expect people to believe you because "herp a derp, I don't know how digital works" The alternative is that the MPAA and RIAA put their nose to the grindstone, stop suing people and making alternatives to piracy. Make alternatives to what is free. Make new services that rival what a pirate can do. Make new services and products that don't rely on copyright law to take away someone's civil rights. Make stuff that entice people to buy. That's always been the central theme. And from the looks of it, artists of all types have been doing just that. The MPAA and RIAA are about to become irrelevant if they don't change course. They can lock up a few spots of culture now, but it won't last.
So laugh all you want. You have the information in this post that says that you're woefully inaccurate in believing that enforcement will save the day. It will not. What will is offering something better, which is again something you don't understand how to do. That's not my problem.
Now if you'll excuse me, Valve has another sale on games that has me spending $5 for 5 games this week.
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Jesus the Pirate.
He violated the Miracle Millennium Anti-Replication Act (MMAA) when he replicated wine at a wedding feast in Cana of Galilee.
Then the medical industry complained about how he practiced medicine without a license. But his healing rate was near 100%. Theirs was much lower without lime soap being invented.
And those pirates on the Red Sea were real pissed when he was walking on the water right next to him.
The morticians wanted his resurrection to be a criminal offense. They lost revenue when they couldn't exhume the body.
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The CA people can't count. How does 4,000 look like 100,000? If you squint just right you can eke out two more people, maybe even 3 more. It's kind of funny.
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