White House Petition Against E-PARASITE/SOPA
from the speak-up dept
Last week, as part of our trip of startup entrepreneurs, innovators, artists and venture captialists, we were able to meet with senior White House staff about our concerns over the E-PARASITE/SOPA bill that would fundamentally change the regulatory and policy framework of the internet, seriously hindering the ability to create new startups, new jobs and new platforms to help everyone. The White House has not officially taken a position on the bill, but one thing was made clear from the very start of the meeting: the legacy players in Hollywood and at the US Chamber of Commerce were putting a ton of pressure on the White House to support E-PARASITE, despite the fact that the State Department itself is quite worried about the bill, as it would almost entirely undermine all of its efforts to promote internet freedom around the globe.I'm usually not one to believe in the power of various "online petitions," but since the White House has set up its own petition system, in which 25,000 signatures will guarantee a response, this actually seems like a case where just such a petition would work well. So it's great to see that someone has created just such a petition against E-PARASITE. Of course, technically it should be against SOPA, since the framers of the bill recognized just how silly E-PARASITE sounds, and removed that from the bill after everyone started making fun of them. Still, it's important to push this point home and let the White House know, in no uncertain terms, that the public is against this bill.
And it should be clear, by the way, that it's not just the public. Many people within the federal government are equally worried about this bill, which appears to serve no other purpose than to keep a few legacy players in Hollywood fat and happy, and keep them from having to actually innovate for a short while longer.
The real question, however, is whether or not the Obama White House wants to directly contradict Hillary Clinton and the State Department. Remember, Clinton has become a staunch defender of internet freedom against attempts to censor the internet worldwide. In her speech earlier this year, she noted:
So this is a critical moment. The choices we make today will determine what the Internet looks like in the future.... For the United States, the choice is clear. On the spectrum of Internet freedom, we place ourselves on the side of openness. We recognize that an open Internet comes with challenges. It calls for ground-rules to protect against wrongdoing and harm. And Internet freedom raises tensions, like all freedoms do. But its benefits are worth it.And that's exactly the opposite of the approach being taken by Congress, which aims to put forth a top-down policy of censorship. A top down policy that nearly perfectly mimics the functional nature of the Great Firewall of China. Should the Obama administration go against its own State Department, it will serve to undermine Clinton's long term efforts in pushing internet freedom around the globe. That would be quite a legacy to leave: to contradict one's own Secretary of State who is pushing for greater internet freedom, and impose a system of censorship on the US. Please tell the White House not to take such a drastic measure.
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However, I do think this is a chance for you to come clean. Considering your work the last week or so has bordered on sounding like a lobbyist, would you perhaps like to declare your working relationships with the various groups involved here? Are you a member of any of the groups, are any of them paying for your time, your hotel, your airfare, your meals, or otherwise supporting your efforts, and are you getting paid in any way to do this work?
Your visits in Washington, are they as Mike Masnick, concerned citizen, or Mike Masnick, representing (insert group name here)?
I think it is really time you came clean on this stuff.
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So why would someone care? Because they want to find some way to discredit him and his position. It is an act of desperation.
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I don't care if Google is funding him, Microsoft, Disney (as much as I have learned to disrespect them after learning about their efforts to expand copy protection lengths), China, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Russia, The Communist Party, The Pirate Party, The Libertarian Party, the U.S. government (well, I guess I wouldn't be too happy if our taxpayer money was supporting him and it went undisclosed, since governments have no business secretly promoting private agendas or even promoting them at all), the pharmaceutical cartel, it almost doesn't really matter to me. So long as Mike isn't knowingly taking stolen money or money that was obtained wrongfully, I'm fine with it. I agree with his position and almost whatever way he's being funded to support his position is fine (with a few extreme exceptions of course).
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Case closed.
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There's no point in whining about them enforcing those concepts. None.
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Or would that be against your Lobbyist Shill credo ("screw the Citizens unless they pay")?
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I am 100% clear.
Mike? Hello Mike?
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Put up or shut up.
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Mike, it's your turn.
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You're commenting on a public blog as a front for political lobbying.
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Your turn Anonymous Coward.
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Put up or shut up.
So you're calling him out ..... anonymously. That's a laugh. Why don't you go pound salt?
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Stupid much? Thanks for making my point!
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I for the record have been to Washington, I have visited my House Representative (by his own invite) and have met both my Senators... Does that (by your definition) make me a shill or lobbyist?
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You are trying very hard to deflect for Mike, but the question remains:
Is he just being an incredibly shill against SOPA, or is he a paid lobbyist or representative? Is this a blog, or a PAC in disguise?
Stop worrying about me... worry about Mike.
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and you are trying very hard to steer the conversation away from the points
- why have petitions that are at best useless and at worst misleading
- why have more laws that break the very foundations of one of the best innovations of the last century
- will the White House contradict its own State Department?
Are you so scared of a blog you have to label it as a PAC or make it to be nefarious... more telling about you than me really (or your supporters)
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Ah, so you blew a congressman.
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If you think all the E-Parasite articles are overkill then don't read the blog, pretty simple.
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I don't like it from my side any more than theirs. Especially since baseless accusations of lobbying cannot be disproven, no matter what you say. All AC #1 has to do is call Mike a liar, no matter what he says, and we're back to square one.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Mike HAS disclosed his working relationships. He does run a business, after all. And he drums up that business by running this blog. And everyone who contributes, for or against him, are helping his business.
Remember, jerky ACs:
Every time you bash Mike, Glyn, Dark Helmet, or anyone else who is posting on here, either as a blog, or as a commenter, you're helping Mike PAY for this blog. I hope he laughs at you all the way to the bank.
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piracy will always exist.
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So you think LESS speech is the correct way to take a position in the face of the 'monied lobbying' that is going on? That is not the position 'they' take. 'They' take meetings with congress-critters that 'normal' folk (aka constituents) are not allowed to attend. That is a pretty BIG restriction of speech, that might require volume (quantity not loudness) to overcome.
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I would imagine it would be Mike Masnick, representing Floor64, the company he founded.
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Bingo. Though I am sincerely concerned about many other startups as well and the impact it will have on them.
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Of course you've gotta get that cool part down, and then you'll be all good, k Mike?
Best of luck with that.
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Finally your comments make sense.
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Perhaps you would still like to make a more full declaration of your activities as a lobbyist. Perhaps a nice full blog post so we can understand what you are really up to, and so that few people buying your "swag" can understand what their money is used for.
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Why not ask them?
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http://www.ce.org/AboutCEA/CEAInitiatives/227_230.asp
http://www.ce.org/Press/CurrentN ews/press_release_detail.asp?id=12191
OOPS MIKE! Would you care to comment?
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Petition
It'll guarantee a response, which doesn't mean a damn thing about "working well". Given all the responses I've seen for the other ones that have been publicized, this petition means exactly squat.
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IM-POSSIBLE that anyone thinks State Dept is for /any/ freedom.
Just lost your last shred of credibility.
>>> "seriously hindering the ability to create new startups, new jobs and new platforms to help everyone." -- No, as I've said many times: you're for leveraging grifters over actual producers of content. Your notions benefit a narrow range of grifters, NOT everyone.
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Is this really the best you can do, suggesting that the notion 'don't pass E-PARASITE' works only to 'benefit a narrow range of grifters?' Sure, you've admitted in other threads that there will be collateral fallout from this but who cares about that now?
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I guess the "collateral fallout" that has befallen artists and workers due to illegal behavior doesn't matter...
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No, they keep whining about being cheated by the labels like forever and nothing changes.
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Coming from someone who never had any to begin with.
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I guess you haven't been reading WH responses
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/actually-take-these-petitions-seriously-ins tead-just-using-them-excuse-pretend-you-are-listening/grQ9mNkN
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It's nice to see how many signatures these petitions are getting so quickly though. The first petition was only created Oct 31, 2011 and already has 6,645 votes (needs 25,000 by Nov 30th) and the second petition has 10,762 (needs 25,000 by Nov 27th) and was only released Oct 28. The numbers are increasing by the minute. Nice to see more and more members participate in important issues, but it would be nice if we can combine them to a single petition.
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I guess I'm glad they're trying something, but the site seems like a failure, because the responses are always "No, and here's a few thousand words why it's very important to keep the status quo." It's not really a dialogue. I'm glad that the petitions seem to be answered by various people in the administration, but I cringe when they talk up things like the America Invents act as some great success instead of a blatant industry wishlist.
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Mike, I also have to take some exception here, because you are taking the comments made by Clinton and applying your own meaning to them.
Openess does not mean lawlessness. Nobody in the State Department is going to condone illegal activity, they are not standing up for pirates, filesharing sites, or file lockers packed full of pirated material.
An open internet does not mean a free for all. Pirating stuff, selling counterfeit materials, and otherwise abusing the law online isn't some sort of right. The openness discussed was political and social in nature, not some sort of support for your infinite distribution piracy model.
Your intentional misreading of Clinton's comments are somewhere between amusing and sad. Fail for you, sir.
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You say Pirate, because its a hot button, but define what it means... File sharing = pirate - Gosh that doesn't added up.. But you have to come up with something to call them to de-humanize and make it sound bad, when in reality it is far far different...
So sorry you failed long ago and now its time to bury this IP Protectionist crap next to the buggy whip makers so the technologist can continue to move ahead instead being held back by the blind and lethargic
Obama said Open and all your keywords and that's worked out so well that i wouldn't vote for him again if Stalin ran against him (or Mao)...
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Also, note the irony again of an AC accusing someone else of sock-puppetry.
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I thought you claimed that I was masquerading as an AC in order to attack mike and destroy your credibility - now I'm masquerading as an AC to support him? Which is it?
Funny thing is, I actually HAVE made a few AC comments lately, because I haven't been very active here the past couple of weeks (yes, i DO have work to do, thanks for noticing) and I just didn't bother logging in for quick comments. In the same timespan I've noticed you accuse two ACs of being me - one on a thread in which I was indeed present as an AC - and yet both times you've missed the mark.
You're even bad at being paranoid! Amazing.
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Let's say that, as required by law, GoDaddy blocks access to the Pirate Bay, which is hosted in a foreign country. OK, let's assume that's OK with the State Dep't.
However, the bill also prohibits making and distributing any technology that allows an American to circumvent GoDaddy's ban of the Pirate Bay.
Here's the problem. The technology that allows an American to circumvent a ban to access the Pirate Bay is the same technology that a Chinese dissident would use to access the Wikipedia entry about Tiananmen Square.
Would the U.S. government take action against a technology producer whose products were used primarily to circumvent Chinese censorship? Unlikely.
But suppose the technology, which might be Tor or something similar, was used 51% of the time to circumvent copyright protections, and only 49% to circumvent human rights restrictions. Would that be subject to restrictions? What about 80-20? How about technology that was intentionally designed to circumvent copyright restrictions, but ended up being used mostly to evade human rights restrictions? Or vice versa?
The bill isn't very clear, and it's not hard to see how there could be a significant negative effect on censorship-circumvention technologies promoted by the State Department.
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It's not intentional misreading. I have spoken with people in the State Department. They don't like this bill. At all.
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MPAA (or CreativeAmerica to be precise) also have a petition that already generated 100,000 signatures... Oh wait, did it?
@MPAA just twitted:
Impressive! RT @creativeamerica: Creative America supporters have sent over 100,000 letters to #Congress for stronger content theft laws.
But if you follow the link in the original @creativeamerica twit, you'll find a page that says "4,173 Letters Sent So Far".
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The CA people can't count. How does 4,000 look like 100,000? If you squint just right you can eke out two more people, maybe even 3 more. It's kind of funny.
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How may lies and misleading truths can you jam into one letter?
I also notice that they DO NOT allow any customization or personalization of these letters the way the organizations on our side of the fence (e.g. EFF, Public Knowledge, Demand Progress, & Fight For The Future) do. I wonder what they are afraid of?
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It is pretty disgusting, but not unexpected from the likes of the MPAA.
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While I'm not that familiar with using Twitter, I noticed some things that seem a little odd.
The MPAA's twitter account claims 604 followers but if I click on the followers many of them aren't pictures of people's faces and they don't seem to name or be associated with any people in particular. One of them Sky Fall Carroll which has a picture of an Eagle with an American flag in the background. Many of his tweets seem to resemble general announcements that have some sort of twisted and undisclosed political agenda? One of the accounts tweeting to that account(?) was PublicInterests. Its image displays Live Feed in red text with a black background. Again, most of its tweets seem to be composed of randomized general announcements.
It seems like the MPAA's twitter following is a fabricated echo chamber?
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MPAA also has a nasty history of faking peoples agreement and sending letters "on your behalf". They usually target groups such as the elderly or disabled or non-english speakers (who SOMEHOW manage to write in english just this once!) who won't realize that anything has been sent in their name without their knowledge claiming a stance they themselves may not even care 2 bits about.
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Sorry, the tail doesn't wag the dog. The SoS works for the President, not vice-versa.
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He either needs to be FOR or AGAINST censorship, and this is going to be how people remember him:
either "yeah, I remember Obama, he's the guy that didn't give a crap about the public and sided with corporations and broke the internet and started the civil war"
or "Yeah, I remember Obama, he's the guy that stopped corporations putting in their own laws and robbing the US blind"
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White House petition process appears to be a waste of time
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The measure of a petition's success if if they take notice, not if they write you a nice letter.
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Anonymous Coward, Nov 1st, 2011 @ 1:34pm
Put up or shut up. Or better yet, STFU. You add very little to anything. You waste my air. Show your identity and prove you are human or go away. I'm tired of you lazy trolling.
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Petition?
Who wants the TSA?
Who wants the Patriot Act?
Who wants marijuana prohibition?
Who wants anything from these ass hats with "protection" in its description?
What am I missing?
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obviously they don't want to answer many of these
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Yeah, I noticed that, too. I was just on the petition site the day before yesterday, and the required number was 5000 signatures.
I'd like to think it's just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure...
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NEW PETITION UP
NEW PETITION UP
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/pursue-software-patent-abolition/fHkD8wYM
Also
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/take-petitions-seriously/bHPkPddj
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Stop the E-PARASITE Act.
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She'll change her tune if she gets elected. Opposing ridiculous IP bills (and laws) is a good selling point to get elected because politicians know that the general public doesn't like these laws. Once elected, she'll change her mind and start supporting such legislation.
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I'm not sure they are all that interested
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Remember the party of no, when Obama' party held the keys to the country, Obama still had a hard time getting things passed. 60 in the senate and the majority in the house.
But they tried to blame the Republicans for not getting every thing the Obama White House wanted. Hell the Republicans were excluded from everything, not even allowed to offer amendments.
What the Senate and White House want is to tell you what to do and when to do it. To give that power to a bunch of government bureaucrats and to strip every one of their wealth unless you agree with them.
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It is much like C.S. Lewis wrote in The Magician's Nephew of the character of Uncle Andrew, who could not hear Aslan or the other creatures speak because he would not allow himself to believe that they could, but only what he wanted to believe. It is the same with those who wish this bill and others like it to pass. They do not wish to accept that what we have been saying is true, they only wish to believe what they choose to. As Lewis wrote, "the trouble with trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed."
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Even today we move forward, using the ones who failed to evolve as fuel.
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Need more signatures
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