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arse. there's a dot in the web address in the comment above.
should be www.drewstephenson.com
But I am now slightly concerned that my website appears to be dead. Ho hum, I guess that's my homework...
If a government is willing to ignore a million people marching in the streets then I suspect their successors will be quite happy to ignore 200,000 people signing a petition.
How odd, if i click on my name it works fine. www.drewstephenson.com.
Hmm, it would appear that my profile is indeed blank. How odd, I wonder if I ever saved the information in the first place. How peculiar.
Should now be fixed
Singer-songwriter stuff myself, probably the opposite end of the pop music spectrum really but feel free to click on my profile and take it from there.
All the stuff on my bandcamp site is CC-BA so go wild if you fancy anything.
I'm in the process of getting hold of all the multi-tracks and making them available as well - prompted by the open source music article a while back. I'll be sticking something up on Step 2 when I've got that sorted.
Pretty soon, bands will be able to completely open up their music process (if they want to), from writing and recording to marketing and promoting, including as many talented people as they want to.
The Techdirt future looks friggin' amazing!
You appear to be missing the fact that his fans started paying for this ages ago. Or you might call it investing.
If you visit some of the forums where this is discussed you'll probably see that they're generally very happy with the return on their investment.
Josh, think you're not disagreeing with Heph as much as you might think. We know that not everyone wants to (or can) work the web to maximise their connection with fans, and if someone wants to hire someone to do that for them (or help with production, or distribution, or publishing, or anything else), that's absolutely fine.
There's a really good blog here about it: http://www.bemuso.com/?p=373
(For those who don't like clicking unsolicited links, it's title DIY doesn't mean "do everything".)
That's, for me, what's so frustrating about this. There is plainly value that can be added by all these legacy players, and people WILL pay for value!
If they'd just pull their heads out of the sand and stop trying to litigate their way back to 1982.
Appeal to authority - check
Not addressing the point - check
Appeal to morality - check.
At what point has anyone on this thread said that donating or supporting artists directly is wrong? Go ahead, read up, take your time. You may find one i've missed.
If someone else is managing to make money by giving your content away, ask yourself why you're not doing the same thing or better.
" the artist didn't give her the 11000 songs she claims to have, she illegally downloaded them, "
Thank you for so easily demonstrating that you haven't read the article at all.
As a result of which your point is even less valid than usual, no mean achievement that, be proud.
"Since you assume that your untested, novel, and alternative business models can make everyone better off"
no no no! That's the whole fucking point!
They won't make "everyone" better off. Some people, who figure it out, will be better off. The market has opened up so that more people COULD be better off. Nothing is guaranteed apart from the fact that a significant number of people WILL fail.
That's how it works. Read Richard's post above and have a think on that.
The only obvious thing here is that you, either willfully or blindly, do not understand what is being written here.
no they don't. They need cash to live same as the rest of us. All they need to keep making music is time and talent.
But unfortunately time and talent doesn't entitle you to an income.
but if it's available for free, then it isn't too expensive is it. This isn't going to go away.
If someone else can figure out how to monetise your work whilst offering it for free, why can't you? This just emphasises that it's a business-model failure.
And where exactly is it written that passion should be financially rewarding anyway?
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should be www.drewstephenson.com
But I am now slightly concerned that my website appears to be dead. Ho hum, I guess that's my homework...
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Hmm, it would appear that my profile is indeed blank. How odd, I wonder if I ever saved the information in the first place. How peculiar.
Should now be fixed
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Re: it's a question of what to send.
All the stuff on my bandcamp site is CC-BA so go wild if you fancy anything.
I'm in the process of getting hold of all the multi-tracks and making them available as well - prompted by the open source music article a while back. I'll be sticking something up on Step 2 when I've got that sorted.
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Where's a good whistleblower when you need one?
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The Techdirt future looks friggin' amazing!
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If you visit some of the forums where this is discussed you'll probably see that they're generally very happy with the return on their investment.
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There's a really good blog here about it: http://www.bemuso.com/?p=373
(For those who don't like clicking unsolicited links, it's title DIY doesn't mean "do everything".)
That's, for me, what's so frustrating about this. There is plainly value that can be added by all these legacy players, and people WILL pay for value!
If they'd just pull their heads out of the sand and stop trying to litigate their way back to 1982.
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It's a miracle - on the internet (patent pending)
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Not addressing the point - check
Appeal to morality - check.
At what point has anyone on this thread said that donating or supporting artists directly is wrong? Go ahead, read up, take your time. You may find one i've missed.
If someone else is managing to make money by giving your content away, ask yourself why you're not doing the same thing or better.
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Thank you for so easily demonstrating that you haven't read the article at all.
As a result of which your point is even less valid than usual, no mean achievement that, be proud.
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no no no! That's the whole fucking point!
They won't make "everyone" better off. Some people, who figure it out, will be better off. The market has opened up so that more people COULD be better off. Nothing is guaranteed apart from the fact that a significant number of people WILL fail.
That's how it works. Read Richard's post above and have a think on that.
The only obvious thing here is that you, either willfully or blindly, do not understand what is being written here.
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But unfortunately time and talent doesn't entitle you to an income.
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If someone else can figure out how to monetise your work whilst offering it for free, why can't you? This just emphasises that it's a business-model failure.
And where exactly is it written that passion should be financially rewarding anyway?
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