That Anonymous Coward (profile), 30 Dec 2021 @ 10:37am
One does wonder if they would have moved so heavily into oppression tech had some big player not accused them of slipping backdoors in everything to over throw the free world based on a fortune they once got in a cookie.
Its a terrible look for the company but they lost a lot of market share and China isn't looking for faster routers, they want oppression tech.
This is how China has operated for a very very long time, and while many people would like to say I'd close down if my only option was oppression tech, but they wouldn't.
In a nation where there are still people supporting the asshat who tried to overthrow the government & keep repeating the lies, perhaps we no longer have the higher ground to tut at other countries.
We incarcerate many more people based on laws that have tougher penalties if your skin tone doesn't match the 'majority'.
We have prison produced merch, paying those workers a tiny fraction of what they have to pay free people.
We have phone banks bookings & vacations run by... prisoners.
We deploy tech to monitor them, their associates, their families, their lawyers.
We might not have all the same camera setups but huh isn't that a plane with a dirt box gathering data over a peaceful protest?
Didn't the government try to terrorize a whole bunch of people who even THOUGHT they might attend a protest on inauguration day?
Then they put some people they arrested at the protest on trial for things that others had done & then the lawyer said reasonable doubt wasn't really a thing?
Don't we have secret government files on the antifa and BLM people?
Don't we force 1st Nation people to stay on the shittiest land we didn't take back from agreements we violated & we refuse to let them govern themselves while making it difficult for them to have any rights or get the money & assistance we promised them?
I mean we did allow towns that are nothing but a 1 stop booze shop to setup just outside the rez in several places so I guess we do care some.
I look at it like the advertising where we can just spend 19 cents a day and keep a child in Africa alive by sponsoring them... and people do it... while we have children here living in dire circumstances to that no ones willing to spend even 19 cents a day on.
'Merica used to be something other countries aspired to be like & we were truth justice the 'merican way...
Now we pretty much just tell stories about how it used to be & refuse to look at how we've become those we used to call out.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 30 Dec 2021 @ 1:32am
"We have no reason to think the person who committed these crimes had a phone."
But everyone has one...
And a Facebook...
And an Insta...
And a Twitter...
And has NEVER EVER watched a crime procedural where the cellphone leads to catching the bad guy because he was to stupid to know it was a homing beacon.
Of course the next thing they should really worry about is how much of these dumps are they retaining for checking for others things unrelated to this case but it might be evidence they can use in other things.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 30 Dec 2021 @ 1:24am
Re: Re: Re:
"but a VR program is supposed to be a safe space where such behavior is completely unexpected and shocking?"
The problem lies in Meta refusing to admit it anyone would ever do that sort of thing to others, then recasting it as just 1 troll while pretending their safe guards are obviously enough & it was the user who failed and not them or their guide who moved away to avoid having to do anything.
"Similarly, someone "assaulting" you in VR is just a human-controlled 3D model moving around you. It can't harm you."
Like a hug?
"Do you have any idea how many relatives I was forced to hug back when I was a child?"
No but I know how many sexually abused me, pretty sure if an awkward hug was the other option I'd have been a hugging machine to avoid the alternative again.
"Now one player controlled avatar passing through another player controlled avatar traumatizes people."
Yep and why are those darkies so mad when someone calls them the n word, or those damn sand n words who just keep yammering away not in english. Wop, Kike, Dago, Chink...
Yeah why don't people have thicker skins they should just accept being spit on by their betters and stepping into the gutter to not be in white folks way.
Someone taking away your agency for sport is something perhaps you've never experienced like others.
Imagine if you were still expected accept hugs from anyone who wanted to give you one & you get to express no feelings or be completely ignored as they send more to hug you in the matter... you just need to accept it because its just a little annoyance.
Imagine pointing out in beta that assholes can be assholes & trying to have a discussion (she's not suing demanding a life time in therapy costs) to address what happened to stop it form happening others and Meta blames you for what happened & manages to leave out parts of the story to make themselves look better.
Real sexual assault is a problem, and lets be fair it is a fscking shitshow. Oh you waited to long to accuse, oh it was boys being boys, oh we didn't properly store your rape kit, oh we don't have enough money to test your kit, are you sure you aren't just having second thoughts, were you drunk, how were you dressed?
And it takes very little time to find my contempt to expanding labels to stupid useless levels (eye rape, fscking seriously?!). But hey they've managed to recreate the experience in VR how it will be your fault of someone gropes you in the real world.
"Now one player controlled avatar passing through another player controlled avatar traumatizes people."
They only called the 12 yr old gay a few times, that can't be the reason he hung himself.
"I'm not sure that's progress."
I'm pretty sure it isn't progress, when those who've never been in the shoes of those they dismiss pretend because it never happens to them & it shouldn't bother others.
Because the world is a monolithic white techbro their perch in life is how everyone else lives & is treated.
I call myself an immortal sociopath & I have way more contact with reality than the average techbro.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 29 Dec 2021 @ 8:59am
Re: so...
just the techbros completely oblivious that these things happen in meatspace and magically assumed that their genius would keep it from happening again.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 29 Dec 2021 @ 8:54am
Re:
Robbing peter to restock paul.
Bad people steal the merch & then sell it to a fence who then sells it to someone else who then opens an ebay account and boom 42 trillion dollars in lost profits.
Which is why we need all of these super tighter restrictions on online marketplaces so maybe we can make it harder for people to shop online and magically brick & mortar retail will be saved.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 29 Dec 2021 @ 5:33am
Re:
Hi, I'm the resident immortal sociopath.
I am not nice people, and there are a few topics that get my full ire.
Someone tried to claim that an assault in VR is just like playing a horror survival game & they would end up damaged by that.
This is the same sort of person who has no problem assuming I'm gay because I am a survivor of sexual abuse.
I get enough crap from people who don't think men can be raped
I checked, it happened, I wasn't asking for it...
I'm an amazingly 'mythical' victim that no one ever wants to discuss or admit exist.
I wasn't asking for it, I wasn't dressed sexily, I wasn't drunk, or any of the thousands of excuses people like to give to make someone whos been assaulted at fault for what happened to them. I get to see what people really think about survivors because no one ever thinks that guy's been assaulted before.
So yes, comparing a VR assault to not being able to handle a horror game does make me I think they should die in a fire in real life. Pretty sure I'm not going to hunt them down and set them on fire myself, but I do think I managed to convey my point/ire in the very strong terms it deserved.
Boo hoo... someone on the internet called me a monster, how will I ever recover.
Perhaps as well at the person I told to die in a fire in real life will.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 28 Dec 2021 @ 10:32pm
"because of this stupid moral panic narrative"
Before we let them try to tackle a new evil in the world, how about we make them fix a much longer running problem that is more dangerous?
Tampered Halloween Candy.
We do not have enough verification that some makers are not slipping oxys into some snacks with counterfeit labels!!
I mean I was checking my imaginary childs candy and found a fully loaded AR-15 hidden in a hersey's bar!!!
Why focus on these retailers when they aren't doing enough to protect our children!!!!!!!
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 28 Dec 2021 @ 10:27pm
"“the company determined that the beta tester didn’t utilize the safety features built into Horizon Worlds, including the ability to block someone from interacting with you.”"
As they never saw the video from the victim how can they determine a god damned thing?
Their first responder on the scene moved rapidly away to ignore it & remained silent when asked for help.
The entire narrative wasn't shared with the media.
But yes Meta can do no wrong & we can just pretend that the internet just reflects the real world, but the anonymity of it 'just being pixels' encourages some assholes to think its funny so there is no reason to pay any attention to history & attempt to head off things that are going to fscking happen when there are people involved. We can't have any more negative reporting about us and our new VR project so whats the harm in downplaying virtual assaults & other ways the tech can be misused, its only going to be a few girls who aren't real gamers anyways.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 28 Dec 2021 @ 10:16pm
Re:
And yet you'll still be a sewer dwelling asshole.
There is a HUGE difference between playing a horror or FPS game, than appearing into a world and immediately being assaulted you dimwitted slackjawed asswipe.
The fact the controls didn't seem to be that intuitive for someone in the middle of a virtual assault to get them turned on fast enough & the local cop ignored it and moved as far away as they could, then Meta gaslighting the entire experience (Note the victim was unable to upload their own 'body cam' of the events which raises questions). Media parroting Meta's claims and ignoring the 'victim'... I guess maybe she was asking for it, she shouldn't have had her avatar in that short of a skirt, she shouldn't have gone out alone... forgive me I'm getting sick trying to recall every single lame ass excuse trotted out when someone victimizes someone else and the world wants to pretend Brock Turner was a good guy and it was her fault for crossing his path & forcing that poor innocent boy to rape her.
While virtual assaults don't leave the same physical scars its not the same as Steve running into the lava.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 28 Dec 2021 @ 4:05am
The Judges needs to be careful... bad things happen to those who point out how magically "bad people" don't have the same alleged rights & courts rubber stamp stupid actions to protect convictions of those deemed bad when how they were tagged as being bad would never fly with even a cursory reading of the law.
Assholes are assholes but allowing their rights to be violated for being an asshole leads to bad things.
We're all the asshole in someones story.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 28 Dec 2021 @ 3:59am
Huh...
I thought that bad guys rob rich people cause they have more stuff.
So this software was telling the police to leave the rich white folk on their own and exposed them to the evil evil poor folks (who weren't being hassled for "predictions") overrunning their unprotected neighborhoods!?!?
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 28 Dec 2021 @ 3:55am
Something something the FBI will be having a press conference complaining about encryption & why racist assholes never use it so that they have to do their job and investigate their fellow LEO's who were stupid enough to get caught.
1 'Muslim' terrorist does a thing, all Muslims are bad.
1 'Negro' does a thing, all Black people are criminals.
100 cops violate citizens rights, now its just a few bad apples.
GI Joe taught me knowing was half the battle, I do not understand how all of these PD's can't see the truth.
On the post: Missouri Governor Still Expects Journalists To Be Prosecuted For Showing How His Admin Leaked Teacher Social Security Numbers
"“That’s up to the prosecutor; that’s his job to do.”"
And if he doesn't do what I tell him to do I'll replace him with someone who will.
On the post: Internal Documents Show Huawei Is Staying On The Cutting Edge Of Oppression Tech
One does wonder if they would have moved so heavily into oppression tech had some big player not accused them of slipping backdoors in everything to over throw the free world based on a fortune they once got in a cookie.
Its a terrible look for the company but they lost a lot of market share and China isn't looking for faster routers, they want oppression tech.
This is how China has operated for a very very long time, and while many people would like to say I'd close down if my only option was oppression tech, but they wouldn't.
In a nation where there are still people supporting the asshat who tried to overthrow the government & keep repeating the lies, perhaps we no longer have the higher ground to tut at other countries.
We incarcerate many more people based on laws that have tougher penalties if your skin tone doesn't match the 'majority'.
We have prison produced merch, paying those workers a tiny fraction of what they have to pay free people.
We have phone banks bookings & vacations run by... prisoners.
We deploy tech to monitor them, their associates, their families, their lawyers.
We might not have all the same camera setups but huh isn't that a plane with a dirt box gathering data over a peaceful protest?
Didn't the government try to terrorize a whole bunch of people who even THOUGHT they might attend a protest on inauguration day?
Then they put some people they arrested at the protest on trial for things that others had done & then the lawyer said reasonable doubt wasn't really a thing?
Don't we have secret government files on the antifa and BLM people?
Don't we force 1st Nation people to stay on the shittiest land we didn't take back from agreements we violated & we refuse to let them govern themselves while making it difficult for them to have any rights or get the money & assistance we promised them?
I mean we did allow towns that are nothing but a 1 stop booze shop to setup just outside the rez in several places so I guess we do care some.
I look at it like the advertising where we can just spend 19 cents a day and keep a child in Africa alive by sponsoring them... and people do it... while we have children here living in dire circumstances to that no ones willing to spend even 19 cents a day on.
'Merica used to be something other countries aspired to be like & we were truth justice the 'merican way...
Now we pretty much just tell stories about how it used to be & refuse to look at how we've become those we used to call out.
On the post: Dish's Hyped 5G Network (And 'Fix' For T-Mobile/Sprint Merger) Is Looking Rather Skimpy
Perhaps if someone had told them that connecting their 5G network via the Dish satellite network wasn't gonna work real good...
On the post: Massachusetts Supreme Court Tackles Law Enforcement Use Of Cell Tower Dumps
"We have no reason to think the person who committed these crimes had a phone."
But everyone has one...
And a Facebook...
And an Insta...
And a Twitter...
And has NEVER EVER watched a crime procedural where the cellphone leads to catching the bad guy because he was to stupid to know it was a homing beacon.
Of course the next thing they should really worry about is how much of these dumps are they retaining for checking for others things unrelated to this case but it might be evidence they can use in other things.
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
Re: Re: Re:
"but a VR program is supposed to be a safe space where such behavior is completely unexpected and shocking?"
The problem lies in Meta refusing to admit it anyone would ever do that sort of thing to others, then recasting it as just 1 troll while pretending their safe guards are obviously enough & it was the user who failed and not them or their guide who moved away to avoid having to do anything.
"Similarly, someone "assaulting" you in VR is just a human-controlled 3D model moving around you. It can't harm you."
Like a hug?
"Do you have any idea how many relatives I was forced to hug back when I was a child?"
No but I know how many sexually abused me, pretty sure if an awkward hug was the other option I'd have been a hugging machine to avoid the alternative again.
"Now one player controlled avatar passing through another player controlled avatar traumatizes people."
Yep and why are those darkies so mad when someone calls them the n word, or those damn sand n words who just keep yammering away not in english. Wop, Kike, Dago, Chink...
Yeah why don't people have thicker skins they should just accept being spit on by their betters and stepping into the gutter to not be in white folks way.
Someone taking away your agency for sport is something perhaps you've never experienced like others.
Imagine if you were still expected accept hugs from anyone who wanted to give you one & you get to express no feelings or be completely ignored as they send more to hug you in the matter... you just need to accept it because its just a little annoyance.
Imagine pointing out in beta that assholes can be assholes & trying to have a discussion (she's not suing demanding a life time in therapy costs) to address what happened to stop it form happening others and Meta blames you for what happened & manages to leave out parts of the story to make themselves look better.
Real sexual assault is a problem, and lets be fair it is a fscking shitshow. Oh you waited to long to accuse, oh it was boys being boys, oh we didn't properly store your rape kit, oh we don't have enough money to test your kit, are you sure you aren't just having second thoughts, were you drunk, how were you dressed?
And it takes very little time to find my contempt to expanding labels to stupid useless levels (eye rape, fscking seriously?!). But hey they've managed to recreate the experience in VR how it will be your fault of someone gropes you in the real world.
"Now one player controlled avatar passing through another player controlled avatar traumatizes people."
They only called the 12 yr old gay a few times, that can't be the reason he hung himself.
"I'm not sure that's progress."
I'm pretty sure it isn't progress, when those who've never been in the shoes of those they dismiss pretend because it never happens to them & it shouldn't bother others.
Because the world is a monolithic white techbro their perch in life is how everyone else lives & is treated.
I call myself an immortal sociopath & I have way more contact with reality than the average techbro.
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
Re:
hands you a map
This leads to the tree that is making oxygen to keep you alive.
Now go there and apologize to it.
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
Re: so...
just the techbros completely oblivious that these things happen in meatspace and magically assumed that their genius would keep it from happening again.
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
Re: Re:
Remember they thought Cambridge were really cool people for a long time.
On the post: Retailers Are Blaming The Internet For A Retail Theft Surge That Might Not Be Happening; Media Is Helping Them Out
Re:
Robbing peter to restock paul.
Bad people steal the merch & then sell it to a fence who then sells it to someone else who then opens an ebay account and boom 42 trillion dollars in lost profits.
Which is why we need all of these super tighter restrictions on online marketplaces so maybe we can make it harder for people to shop online and magically brick & mortar retail will be saved.
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
Re:
Hi, I'm the resident immortal sociopath.
I am not nice people, and there are a few topics that get my full ire.
Someone tried to claim that an assault in VR is just like playing a horror survival game & they would end up damaged by that.
This is the same sort of person who has no problem assuming I'm gay because I am a survivor of sexual abuse.
I get enough crap from people who don't think men can be raped
I checked, it happened, I wasn't asking for it...
I'm an amazingly 'mythical' victim that no one ever wants to discuss or admit exist.
I wasn't asking for it, I wasn't dressed sexily, I wasn't drunk, or any of the thousands of excuses people like to give to make someone whos been assaulted at fault for what happened to them. I get to see what people really think about survivors because no one ever thinks that guy's been assaulted before.
So yes, comparing a VR assault to not being able to handle a horror game does make me I think they should die in a fire in real life. Pretty sure I'm not going to hunt them down and set them on fire myself, but I do think I managed to convey my point/ire in the very strong terms it deserved.
Boo hoo... someone on the internet called me a monster, how will I ever recover.
Perhaps as well at the person I told to die in a fire in real life will.
On the post: Retailers Are Blaming The Internet For A Retail Theft Surge That Might Not Be Happening; Media Is Helping Them Out
"because of this stupid moral panic narrative"
Before we let them try to tackle a new evil in the world, how about we make them fix a much longer running problem that is more dangerous?
Tampered Halloween Candy.
We do not have enough verification that some makers are not slipping oxys into some snacks with counterfeit labels!!
I mean I was checking my imaginary childs candy and found a fully loaded AR-15 hidden in a hersey's bar!!!
Why focus on these retailers when they aren't doing enough to protect our children!!!!!!!
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
"“the company determined that the beta tester didn’t utilize the safety features built into Horizon Worlds, including the ability to block someone from interacting with you.”"
As they never saw the video from the victim how can they determine a god damned thing?
Their first responder on the scene moved rapidly away to ignore it & remained silent when asked for help.
The entire narrative wasn't shared with the media.
But yes Meta can do no wrong & we can just pretend that the internet just reflects the real world, but the anonymity of it 'just being pixels' encourages some assholes to think its funny so there is no reason to pay any attention to history & attempt to head off things that are going to fscking happen when there are people involved. We can't have any more negative reporting about us and our new VR project so whats the harm in downplaying virtual assaults & other ways the tech can be misused, its only going to be a few girls who aren't real gamers anyways.
On the post: A Grope In Meta's Space
Re:
And yet you'll still be a sewer dwelling asshole.
There is a HUGE difference between playing a horror or FPS game, than appearing into a world and immediately being assaulted you dimwitted slackjawed asswipe.
The fact the controls didn't seem to be that intuitive for someone in the middle of a virtual assault to get them turned on fast enough & the local cop ignored it and moved as far away as they could, then Meta gaslighting the entire experience (Note the victim was unable to upload their own 'body cam' of the events which raises questions). Media parroting Meta's claims and ignoring the 'victim'... I guess maybe she was asking for it, she shouldn't have had her avatar in that short of a skirt, she shouldn't have gone out alone... forgive me I'm getting sick trying to recall every single lame ass excuse trotted out when someone victimizes someone else and the world wants to pretend Brock Turner was a good guy and it was her fault for crossing his path & forcing that poor innocent boy to rape her.
While virtual assaults don't leave the same physical scars its not the same as Steve running into the lava.
As a survivor... Go die in a fire in real life.
On the post: Former US Intelligence Analysts Sued For Hacking A Saudi Activist's Phone On Behalf Of The United Arab Emirates
"were spying on journalists, activists, and the occasional American citizen"
So its like they never left the NSA?
On the post: Hey The North Face! When You Said Sending Us A Bogus Trademark Threat Was A Mistake, We Believed You; So Why Did You Do It Again?
Re:
I someday hope to not typo a link.
On the post: Judge Wants To Know If DOJ Ignored Its Own Journalist-Targeting Guidelines When Investigating An Infowars Host Who Raided The Capitol
The Judges needs to be careful... bad things happen to those who point out how magically "bad people" don't have the same alleged rights & courts rubber stamp stupid actions to protect convictions of those deemed bad when how they were tagged as being bad would never fly with even a cursory reading of the law.
Assholes are assholes but allowing their rights to be violated for being an asshole leads to bad things.
We're all the asshole in someones story.
On the post: Unsecured Data Leak Shows Predicitive Policing Is Just Tech-Washed, Old School Biased Policing
Huh...
I thought that bad guys rob rich people cause they have more stuff.
So this software was telling the police to leave the rich white folk on their own and exposed them to the evil evil poor folks (who weren't being hassled for "predictions") overrunning their unprotected neighborhoods!?!?
On the post: California Police Officers' Bigoted Text Messages Have Just Undone Dozens Of Felony Cases
Something something the FBI will be having a press conference complaining about encryption & why racist assholes never use it so that they have to do their job and investigate their fellow LEO's who were stupid enough to get caught.
1 'Muslim' terrorist does a thing, all Muslims are bad.
1 'Negro' does a thing, all Black people are criminals.
100 cops violate citizens rights, now its just a few bad apples.
GI Joe taught me knowing was half the battle, I do not understand how all of these PD's can't see the truth.
On the post: Dallas PD Brags About Stealing Money From A Woman At An Airport, Is Now Facing Scrutiny From Its Oversight Board
Re: All a matter of priorities
Something something who will the public believe the owner of the convicted cash that there was 200K or the officer who vouchered it as 99K...
On the post: Hey The North Face! When You Said Sending Us A Bogus Trademark Threat Was A Mistake, We Believed You; So Why Did You Do It Again?
Re:
Well the enforcement company can't even be bothered to see if the alleged patch is for sale here before claiming it is so.
One also wonders if they get a base rate & then more for pursuing each evil evil site they claim is selling the patch.
Next >>