Unfortunately, won't work in our First to Post system. Until we fix that, and the myriad of other problems of our two party electorate, it's just going to be the same shit on a different day.
We might as well have the one party to rule them all.
Actually, you are commenting on the usage. You're saying the risk of lasting injury is much lower, which flies in the face of the fact that this particular individual was tased in the face. If it had been 2 cm lower, the teen may have been grievously injured.
Then to say that people should "man up and grow a pair" when few see a need for it to be used here?
They also are used as pain compliance, even causing death as evidenced in the article for one Michael Evans. The point I am making is that tasers are a dangerous responsibility. I wouldn't want officers to be equipped with this ability to harm people, immobilize and bully them simply because they have a badge. I would not want a police force who looks to resolve problems with aggressive behavior first without trying to figure out what is going on in the situation.
Newsflash. Matt isn't the "ringleader" in the community. Your naivete is showing.
" If they had a case, they'd be in court."
If the government had given steps as to how to bring a case against this smaller community, maybe they would. I noticed you ignored everything here where I start with "They had their site taken down." You might wanna read that again.
"Jay, despite what you believe these guys made $500,000 from content that didn't belong to them."
So far, they're charged with releasing Avatar ($2 billion in revenue), 2012 ($770 Million in revenue worldwide), Iron Man 2 ($624 Million in revenue), and the A-Team ($177 million in revenue).
So far, the early release didn't seem to hurt the movies in making money. Further, until I see the amounts of donations (which are people giving money freely to Ninja btw) I'm still believing that was a service they provided. Same as Hulu or TVShack. I guess it's telling that you believe Matthew deserves jail time for this. So I don't even have to ask how you feel on Richard (TVShack's admin) being extradited to the US for copyright infringement when what he did (linking to material) was legal in the UK. I guess the Bryan McCarthy arrest must fill you with glee as well.
" They were in it for the money... a half million of it."
You don't know their motivations, except to paint them in a bad light. Pretty telling man.
" This was an on-going criminal enterprise."
... Wow. And yet you claim I need medication... I guess now, you'll say the US extradition against Richard O' Dwyer is justified so long as other countries respect copyright. Was he a criminal as well as a student? Such evil masterminds are taking over the world!
"Jay, you dismiss Smith's own confession and the grand jury's indictment to question the dollar amounts of the Ninjavideo criminal enterprise.... with nothing to back it up. "
I did. It's all above.
"Yu suggest that maybe the government added money the kid made working at Starbucks or any legitimate job e may have had..... with nothing to back it up."
I said it's a possibility. The $500K number is kind of difficult to accept when it wasn't just 5 people, this isn't a criminal empire, and the Feds have a habit of "confusing" numbers in order to make their case.
"You grasp at every straw in the hope of casting FUD over the governments case against a confessed criminal in a slam dunk case... with nothing to back it up"
It's not a slam dunk case, but you keep thinking that. I just said the math doesn't add up to the 18 payments equating to $500K. That's not that hard to figure out. But then when your opponent only wants to shift sights to irrelevant BS, hey, that's on them.
BTW, the war on drugs has failed and has significant consequences beyond criminalizing people. But I guess all of that is ignored in order to ruin people's lives for civil cases the copyright holders should run instead of this criminal offense, which is far cheaper for the MPAA and RIAA.
"One only has to look at your typical torrent site top 100 files to understand what is and what is not popular. They aren't trading Corey Smith, there is nobody clambering for a download of Sita Sings the Blues or the latest masterwork from the talentless git Marcus Carab. They are going for hollywood movies, RIAA music, etc."
And where are those torrents coming from, chief?
"While popular doesn't directly mean infringing, I would put money on the table that 8 or even 9 out of 10 files / lockers that are the most popular are infringing."
So it's best to just open all of the lockers and view their contents without their permission. Right. That's going to go well with Hotfile, *especially* since a judge has already ruled that there's no direct infringement in the case.
It actually isn't. The US was given the fair use doctrine through case law, whereas most other countries don't have fair use at all.
Justice Stevens was one of the gentleman that gave us that flexibility of fair use by giving the 4 tests that became the standard for it.
However, if you were to practice it, you quickly see the failures of fair use as a defense. You have to raise it, and a judge has to accept it. It was one of the problems of the filesharing cases of Tenenbaum, Harper, and Thomas.
So while it's not necessarily the law as I would hope, it is still fairly important if a judge recognizes it.
" If he is trying to make the MPAA look bad, it's not working, all he is doing is making the smarter people wonder what else he is "cooking" to make look better / worse (depending on his need)."
Their blog sure helps them look like a bastion of sunshine doesn't it?
"I doubt anyone is cooking the numbers. These are kids, not seasoned criminals with underworld laundering connections. Get real."
Cooking? No. Inflating or conflating? Possibly.
Again, I said there's a possibility that the numbers are mixed. Part of it might be from their jobs while another part of it is donations. We don't know and ICE hasn't made this part known to anyone. So unless you know where the money is coming from, in 18 payments, especially given the wire transfer laws that would stop them from transferring large amounts, you're guessing.
" He was a co-conspirator who won the race to the US Attorney's office to cut a deal and snitch his friends out. So much for the great moral crusade of "sharing". Like all the others, it's about the money not free speech or due process or sharing. It's about the money."
I just finished the documentary that was linked in the article in how the government stacks the deck against people to keep their 90% conviction ratings. I doubt this was about money and you're still not proving that you know where it came from.
" The US Attorney has already shown evidence of crimes involving the defendant collecting in excess of 500k to the apparent satisfaction of Smith and his lawyer. Otherwise he'd be going to trial."
No, they aren't guilty and I've read the indictment and my point stands. The numbers don't match. So if this goes to trial (which I'm going to doubt since they want to pin this on whomever looks like the leader) then we can see how solid or flimsy the case is. I wouldn't be surprised if plea deals are doled out, similar to what happened with the RNC bombing plot.
But just because one person was given a plea deal does not make the facts true.
"The above is gibberish. What frivolous case?"
See that blue text for "frivolous?". That was the frivolous case, where the government tried to go after a person for modding an Xbox. It failed miserably. Then, there's other cases such as the RNC plot where informants are used to entrap people to make a crime worse.
In regards to Matthew's involvement, I only know of it from the indictment, that he helped to develop the app for NV. PCWorld has it listed., Sadly, we can't see the site to debate this because oh look, it's taken down so there's little to no public discourse about it. Fancy that...
" You can't simply ignore facts."
I haven't. I'm questioning the facts given. They aren't making sense because the numbers don't add up. You can continue to try berating or you can explain how payment processes of $20 equate to hundreds of thousands. If not, you're in the same boat as I am and have to wait and see what happens.
" And you argue stupid shit that has everything to do with the nature of the crime and nothing to do with the facts and law."
Let's see if I remember all the details correctly...
They had their site taken down ... Complaint comes in a full six months after the site is taken down with no way to complain to a judge about this. The people have to wait a full year and a half for an indictment on five videos that have gone on to make more than $500K in revenue but somehow, because it's released early on THIS website, they're interfering with the profits of Hollywood. And this exact process, the jailing of people for running a website with links on it, a conspiratorial look at people who come together to build something based on donations, not "illicit" or "ill gotten" goods, but people freely exchanging money for a service along with cheap ads, THIS is the future envisioned by Hollywood and Protect IP?
"Everyone is a criminal that isn't a part of Hollywood"
You're a sad man, bucko. I feel sorry for you and the humanity you've lost in order to sell yourself out with this shill game.
If this is what the law promises, there won't be innovation. There won't be more people paying for Hollywood content. I guess turning the world into criminals will be a great way to show how copyright enforcement's ineffective, but I for one, can only shake my head as I watch the people lose their civil liberties for one small industry's profit.
"Now, as the leading snitch in the case; he has to testify against his (former) friends. The one thing that the prosecutors will be absolutely sure of is that his statement is 100% accurate. They will run down every single detail so that defense lawyers don't find something to impeach his testimony with."
You mean manipulated. Based on what's happening with the FBI's massive list of informants, they use one person to inform on others. But I'll wait to see this because from information I've read, the indictment isn't 100% accurate. I guess that's why we have a little thing called "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law, right?
" The research that went into determining that number is probably a bit more in depth than your own."
As I said before and I will say again, if you can show how they made that money in 18 payments when they're so low, feel free. Otherwise, your little jibe in the beginning is lost when the government has been known to go for frivolous cases or cases where they use a massive list of people to spy for crimes.
through Paypal. I'll say the largest amount from the transactions MIGHT HAVE been $200. At most. Mike has said on numerous occasions that Adsense makes little to no money from Google, and the people were warned about using it through the copyright infringement.
So it's basic math. No where can I discern how they made $500,000 among them from advertisements. So I can't believe the numbers unless I have a chance to calculate them. And that can't happen until the financial records, as well as the domain proceeds are figured out. What I would be wary of is that they've mixed the amounts of other places. Right now, it's a game of shenanigans and the FBI holds the cards.
So again. No rhetoric. How can these amounts add up to $500K with few references to the income of the people involved?
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Then to say that people should "man up and grow a pair" when few see a need for it to be used here?
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If I recall correctly, the US had 350+ wrongful deaths occur because of tasers last year.
These are people such as Kelly Thomas
Audrecas Davis
Lareko Williams
They also are used as pain compliance, even causing death as evidenced in the article for one Michael Evans. The point I am making is that tasers are a dangerous responsibility. I wouldn't want officers to be equipped with this ability to harm people, immobilize and bully them simply because they have a badge. I would not want a police force who looks to resolve problems with aggressive behavior first without trying to figure out what is going on in the situation.
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Newsflash. Matt isn't the "ringleader" in the community. Your naivete is showing.
" If they had a case, they'd be in court."
If the government had given steps as to how to bring a case against this smaller community, maybe they would. I noticed you ignored everything here where I start with "They had their site taken down." You might wanna read that again.
"Jay, despite what you believe these guys made $500,000 from content that didn't belong to them."
So far, they're charged with releasing Avatar ($2 billion in revenue), 2012 ($770 Million in revenue worldwide), Iron Man 2 ($624 Million in revenue), and the A-Team ($177 million in revenue).
So far, the early release didn't seem to hurt the movies in making money. Further, until I see the amounts of donations (which are people giving money freely to Ninja btw) I'm still believing that was a service they provided. Same as Hulu or TVShack. I guess it's telling that you believe Matthew deserves jail time for this. So I don't even have to ask how you feel on Richard (TVShack's admin) being extradited to the US for copyright infringement when what he did (linking to material) was legal in the UK. I guess the Bryan McCarthy arrest must fill you with glee as well.
" They were in it for the money... a half million of it."
You don't know their motivations, except to paint them in a bad light. Pretty telling man.
" This was an on-going criminal enterprise."
... Wow. And yet you claim I need medication... I guess now, you'll say the US extradition against Richard O' Dwyer is justified so long as other countries respect copyright. Was he a criminal as well as a student? Such evil masterminds are taking over the world!
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I did. It's all above.
"Yu suggest that maybe the government added money the kid made working at Starbucks or any legitimate job e may have had..... with nothing to back it up."
I said it's a possibility. The $500K number is kind of difficult to accept when it wasn't just 5 people, this isn't a criminal empire, and the Feds have a habit of "confusing" numbers in order to make their case.
"You grasp at every straw in the hope of casting FUD over the governments case against a confessed criminal in a slam dunk case... with nothing to back it up"
It's not a slam dunk case, but you keep thinking that. I just said the math doesn't add up to the 18 payments equating to $500K. That's not that hard to figure out. But then when your opponent only wants to shift sights to irrelevant BS, hey, that's on them.
BTW, the war on drugs has failed and has significant consequences beyond criminalizing people. But I guess all of that is ignored in order to ruin people's lives for civil cases the copyright holders should run instead of this criminal offense, which is far cheaper for the MPAA and RIAA.
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And where are those torrents coming from, chief?
"While popular doesn't directly mean infringing, I would put money on the table that 8 or even 9 out of 10 files / lockers that are the most popular are infringing."
So it's best to just open all of the lockers and view their contents without their permission. Right. That's going to go well with Hotfile, *especially* since a judge has already ruled that there's no direct infringement in the case.
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Justice Stevens was one of the gentleman that gave us that flexibility of fair use by giving the 4 tests that became the standard for it.
However, if you were to practice it, you quickly see the failures of fair use as a defense. You have to raise it, and a judge has to accept it. It was one of the problems of the filesharing cases of Tenenbaum, Harper, and Thomas.
So while it's not necessarily the law as I would hope, it is still fairly important if a judge recognizes it.
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*Tsk tsk tsk*
He jumps from an ad hom attack to a comparison on drug charges with nothing to back it up.
Then you say that people asking for details on the case are mentally ill. Just another day in the fantasy world of shill/troll central.
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The domain seizures are still taking down sites for online gambling.
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*sigh*
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Their blog sure helps them look like a bastion of sunshine doesn't it?
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Cooking? No. Inflating or conflating? Possibly.
Again, I said there's a possibility that the numbers are mixed. Part of it might be from their jobs while another part of it is donations. We don't know and ICE hasn't made this part known to anyone. So unless you know where the money is coming from, in 18 payments, especially given the wire transfer laws that would stop them from transferring large amounts, you're guessing.
" He was a co-conspirator who won the race to the US Attorney's office to cut a deal and snitch his friends out. So much for the great moral crusade of "sharing". Like all the others, it's about the money not free speech or due process or sharing. It's about the money."
I just finished the documentary that was linked in the article in how the government stacks the deck against people to keep their 90% conviction ratings. I doubt this was about money and you're still not proving that you know where it came from.
" The US Attorney has already shown evidence of crimes involving the defendant collecting in excess of 500k to the apparent satisfaction of Smith and his lawyer. Otherwise he'd be going to trial."
No, they aren't guilty and I've read the indictment and my point stands. The numbers don't match. So if this goes to trial (which I'm going to doubt since they want to pin this on whomever looks like the leader) then we can see how solid or flimsy the case is. I wouldn't be surprised if plea deals are doled out, similar to what happened with the RNC bombing plot.
But just because one person was given a plea deal does not make the facts true.
"The above is gibberish. What frivolous case?"
See that blue text for "frivolous?". That was the frivolous case, where the government tried to go after a person for modding an Xbox. It failed miserably. Then, there's other cases such as the RNC plot where informants are used to entrap people to make a crime worse.
In regards to Matthew's involvement, I only know of it from the indictment, that he helped to develop the app for NV. PCWorld has it listed., Sadly, we can't see the site to debate this because oh look, it's taken down so there's little to no public discourse about it. Fancy that...
" You can't simply ignore facts."
I haven't. I'm questioning the facts given. They aren't making sense because the numbers don't add up. You can continue to try berating or you can explain how payment processes of $20 equate to hundreds of thousands. If not, you're in the same boat as I am and have to wait and see what happens.
" And you argue stupid shit that has everything to do with the nature of the crime and nothing to do with the facts and law."
Let's see if I remember all the details correctly...
They had their site taken down ... Complaint comes in a full six months after the site is taken down with no way to complain to a judge about this. The people have to wait a full year and a half for an indictment on five videos that have gone on to make more than $500K in revenue but somehow, because it's released early on THIS website, they're interfering with the profits of Hollywood. And this exact process, the jailing of people for running a website with links on it, a conspiratorial look at people who come together to build something based on donations, not "illicit" or "ill gotten" goods, but people freely exchanging money for a service along with cheap ads, THIS is the future envisioned by Hollywood and Protect IP?
"Everyone is a criminal that isn't a part of Hollywood"
You're a sad man, bucko. I feel sorry for you and the humanity you've lost in order to sell yourself out with this shill game.
If this is what the law promises, there won't be innovation. There won't be more people paying for Hollywood content. I guess turning the world into criminals will be a great way to show how copyright enforcement's ineffective, but I for one, can only shake my head as I watch the people lose their civil liberties for one small industry's profit.
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You mean manipulated. Based on what's happening with the FBI's massive list of informants, they use one person to inform on others. But I'll wait to see this because from information I've read, the indictment isn't 100% accurate. I guess that's why we have a little thing called "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law, right?
" The research that went into determining that number is probably a bit more in depth than your own."
As I said before and I will say again, if you can show how they made that money in 18 payments when they're so low, feel free. Otherwise, your little jibe in the beginning is lost when the government has been known to go for frivolous cases or cases where they use a massive list of people to spy for crimes.
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The amounts stated are:
$3.33
$50.00
$20.00
through Paypal. I'll say the largest amount from the transactions MIGHT HAVE been $200. At most. Mike has said on numerous occasions that Adsense makes little to no money from Google, and the people were warned about using it through the copyright infringement.
So it's basic math. No where can I discern how they made $500,000 among them from advertisements. So I can't believe the numbers unless I have a chance to calculate them. And that can't happen until the financial records, as well as the domain proceeds are figured out. What I would be wary of is that they've mixed the amounts of other places. Right now, it's a game of shenanigans and the FBI holds the cards.
So again. No rhetoric. How can these amounts add up to $500K with few references to the income of the people involved?
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