Police Caught Tasing Teen Without Warning
from the is-that-really-the-best-use? dept
quack points us to a story in which police in London Ontario came to break up a fight among some teens. Rather than say anything, asking the participants to stop, or even holding any of the participants, a cameraphone video from someone across the street shows the cop just walk into the area and immediately shoot his taser into one kid's face.Of course, if the whole thing weren't on videotape, most people would probably have taken the police officers' word on the story. But the video shows that he made no other effort to stop the fight, when it seems clear that he easily could have used less dangerous methods. Hell, by the time he gets to the area and shoots the kid with the taser, the two boys have already separated. He easily could have stopped the fight by stepping into the space between the two of them.
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Sometimes you just have to have faith in government when they do something.
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Curious who took the video and how it happened to be recording.
Does seem to appear as if two "fist sessions" took place, each with a pause where persons stepped back.
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There's taking action, and then there's unreasonable force.
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All the cop had to do was yell (loudly and forcefully as they are trained) "NYPD, (or whatever department he was from) break it up". If he did that, this would not even be a question. Ether the kids would stop fighting, or he would be justified stepping it up (yes, even the taser).
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Hurray for excessive use of force!
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By attacking the victim?..according to the mother anyway.
So, all I have to do is "pretend" to want to start a fight with someone, and a police officer will taze them? Wow, now I can NEVER get in trouble while still getting what I want.
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Please don't teach my kindergarten child.
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How to exact retribution for brutality?
Or maybe you're just the sort of creature which will happily let aggressors eat its young . . .
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Should've called for backup if he can uphold the law in a constitutional manner.
"working alone",
See above
"facing a street brawl".
Well... he wasn't facing anything. He chose to intervene, even though he wasn't prepared to handle it properly and his actions resulted in us questioning the integrity of the police.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE HELD TO HIGHER STANDARDS THAN PRIVATE CITIZENS. Period. Don't like it? Get a different job.
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In other words, if a cop doesn't feel like dealing with an armed mugger that one evening you get unlucky, you better hope you're packing heat, because otherwise the cop's doughnut break will be punctuated with your screams for mercy.
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1. "Stop! Police!"
2. Pulls out Tazer. "This is a Tazer. Stop or I shoot."
3. Use Tazer.
Those were just a bunch of kids fighting. They most likely would have just stopped as soon as they noticed the cop was there.
That guy should be fired and thrown in jail for assault.
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What if these KIDS were provoking this type of response?
What if these KIDS were acting in a stupid KID movie?
Assessing the situation so no one gets hurt is the Police's First Priority.
You don’t know what was going on and neither did that office.
I've seen story after story of Police perpetrating violence on others without being provoked in the name of "Controlling" the situation.
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The kid was shot in the head with a Tazer and reports say he was the victim of the brawl. Do you understand that? There was no warning, no order to stop. The cop just pulled the weapon and fired without appraising the situation or delivering a warning. Had he shouted "Police! Break it up!" they would have stopped. They have a responsibility for the safety of the public to use the least amount of force necessary to diffuse the situation. This cop did not and put innocent people at risk needlessly. He should be fired.
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Perhaps the two kids who picked the fight got their asses handed to them by a pissed off, adrenaline pumping through their veins teen.
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though mike valley may not be the best example because i dont think anyone ever excused him of being smart
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But the cop tasing him was just unnecessary, it was over when he did his thing, he should be reprimanded, maybe he was afraid to get hurt or something.
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That being said, I wouldn't want to be in the cops shoes. A local cop followed a robbery suspect and was attacked by the suspect and is now a paraplegic. A fight may seem childish at times, but it can carry serious consequences.
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Doesn't mean the actions weren't over the top and not procedure. In fact, that may mean that the cop is physiologically not capable of doing his job. If he gets traumatized by one event and then cannot properly do his duty in others...
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As far as police procedure goes, I understand that after an incident in 2010 tazers are restricted to times when the person is trying to hurt someone or the officer has reason to believe the person will try to harm someone. The procedures may not be perfect yet, but I don't think he was breaking procedure.
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Now the last time that kid encountered a cop, he got Tazed without a warning or anything. That seems like justification for him to start carrying a gun and shoot any cop he sees.
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Got it.
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I remember a teacher at my school breaking up a fight like this by just shouting at the boys to stop - he then commented that the deputy head would not have needed to raise his voice - and the headmaster would only have had to look - whilst a ypoung teacher would have had to go and get between the qrring parties physically. Oddly enough the young teacher was the only one who could have stopped the fight physically - the others were relying on psychology. Seems to me that being routinely armed (even with a tazer) makes police too lazy to learn how to do things properly.
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The cop in the above video didn't even announce his presence or give a warning. He tased a guy in the face. Again without warning. He had no way of knowing what was happening and his life wasn't in immediate danger, nor were the lives of the other people.
He walked up to the guy, he didn't run. There was no sense of urgency in his actions.
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Anyone who can't, isn't qualified to be let out in public unsupervised, let alone given authority to assault, command, or detain people.
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Is like being a lifeguard and being afraid of water.
Also I'm fully aware that cops are only called when things get ugly and so they have a distorted view of people they start thinking that everyone is a criminal and start acting like everyone is a criminal and there is no psychological test to see those burned up cops.
It may explain but it doesn't justify what the guy did there, even though I believe the aggressor was the kid tased.
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The kid wasn't tased; he was _shot_ with a Taser.
A Taser is shaped like a gun, is used as an alternative to a gun, and can kill someone if misused. The operative word here should be shot, not tased. It might seem like a small thing but the word shot has a much worse mental image than the word tased. One feels violent and the other does not.
Needless to say, I think the office misused the Taser when he shot the kid.
Stuff like this will continue to occur so long as a Taser is not viewed with the same seriousness as other weapons such as guns.
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Today paintball guns are considered firearms.
There is a massive marketing and legal effort behind the Taser brand to make sure the public does not associate it with lethal force. This is part of the reason that they people are 'tased' and not 'shot with a taser'.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/05/02/20080502taser0503.html
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http://www.generalcode.com/samples/04Spr_1.html
What does this look like to you? Another governmental attempt to limit competition (must one pay to attend these authorized recreational establishments?). Of course it's done in the name of safety (and I do think there is some truth to that).
and they call this free market capitalism.
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And you idiots think you're free?
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I disagree.
A taser is very different from a gun that fires bullets.
The Inuit have a hundred words for snow, because the difference matters to them. We should probably have a few different words for police weapons, since the difference also matters a great deal.
People, like you, have an agenda when they try to change language to be less specific. You do so because your agenda is served by a conflagration of two different things. But specific language is far more useful, and more descriptive of truth and reality. By using "tased" there is no confusion about which weapon the cop ABused.
Let people argue about whether tasers are lethal or not. Let them argue about whether that was too much force or not. But don't try to change the terminology to make it sound worse.
I've seem a similar effort to expand the definition of "rape" to include things like molestation or groping. While I sympathize with the intent of the people using the word incorrectly, I do not agree with making language less specific, and less useful to suit any political agenda.
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There is no argument there - people have died after being SHOT with a taser. The corpses are all the proof you need.
As for the semantics - your twist is somewhat misleading as well. Yes, a gun shoots bullets. A taser shoots electrodes, there is still a projectile. The bullet comes to a rest and there is no more interaction from the projectile discharged. The electrode can be activated as often as desired after impact for as long as desired, until the power supply is drained. You may want to reconsider your argument.
Certainly a gun is more deadly than a taser on a shot to shot basis. No argument there.
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I think tazed, incorporates the shooting aspect because as you said a tazer is a projectile. However there are non-projectile versions as well.
I agree that saying tazed is much more trivial than the actual action. But i agree with derrick that watering down the language isnt our best option. Rather people should be made more aware of the dangers of tazers and that they are not truly non-lethal.
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Or walk into a bar and say, "Gimme a shot!"
Yes, a shot implies a gun.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shoot
I'm thinking the kid was shot just as much as if it had been a slingshot. Or would the kid have been "slung" in that case? What about a bow? Do we say someone is arrowed?
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A taser is a electroshock weapon, that's something that seems to be overlooked or forgotten about these days. They are a weapon, possibly lethal and should be viewed that way until there is conclusive evidence either way.
If they're so harmless why can't the public have easy and legal access to them?
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I couldn't agree with you more, except Taser International is doing just that by suing people that associate Taser with anyones death. Saying someone was shot with a Taser is correct. Just like you would say shot with a crossbow, stungun, paintball or nerf gun.
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The more we use terms like "shooting", the more sensationlist the articles sound, i.e. "Officer shoots youth in face", bad huh? Overuse of these kinds of terms detracts from the seriousness of the times it's used appropriately. A tragedy of a mother forced to live in a run down apartment and bring up her child on benefits (example), is not equal to a tragedy of millions of starving people in Africa...
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" if the whole thing weren't on videotape, most people would probably have taken the police officers' word on the story"
What is the officers word on the story? Where is the part where he is lying about what happened?
Also, of course the mother says he's the victim and it was all the other kid's fault. It's always the other kid's fault.
The nice thing is that we have this video as evidence, which should help in any lawsuit or trial but that doesn't mean it tells the full story. I believe procedures around tazer use are under scrutiny recently in Canada as well, so videos such as these might help with that as well.
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So lets take this for what it is, failure to fallow proper procedure, he failed to make itself known, to identify itself as authority and to issue any commands before aggressive action was taken on an unnamed violent kid, which by his size could not have taken down the officer and didn't pose much of a threat to the officer either.
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Yes they are, after the RCMP used them to murder* a Polish immigrant for the crime of being confused and irritable in an airport.
(*I do not use this word lightly or flippantly. After the initial incident, I was completely ready to accept it as a tragic mistake - if only the officers had admitted that from the start. A simple "we made a grievous error while doing a difficult job" acknowledgment would have made for a whole different story - but instead they chose to attempt a coverup with deliberately misrepresented facts. It shows they knew that what they did was wrong AND that they were not guilt-free enough to admit a mistake. Thus, I call it murder.)
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It works wonders for breaking up fights, I can attest to that.
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Are you arguing the proper response when ignorant of the specifics is to resort to violence? If this cop can't deal with the stress of being in a dangerous situation, maybe he should do something else. But under no circumstances is it acceptable for a cop to use anything but the most minimal amount of force necessary.
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If I recall correctly, the US had 350+ wrongful deaths occur because of tasers last year.
These are people such as Kelly Thomas
Audrecas Davis
Lareko Williams
They also are used as pain compliance, even causing death as evidenced in the article for one Michael Evans. The point I am making is that tasers are a dangerous responsibility. I wouldn't want officers to be equipped with this ability to harm people, immobilize and bully them simply because they have a badge. I would not want a police force who looks to resolve problems with aggressive behavior first without trying to figure out what is going on in the situation.
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Cause and effect here - don't fight, no requirement for police to use non-lethal force to break it up.
I wish people would take responsibility for their own actions and understand why they are where they are. The entire situation is avoidable, and it doesn't start with the cop (but he certainly ends it).
They yutz with the camera yelling "you shot him you shot him" over and over again isn't helping out much, is he?
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I wish people would take responsibility for their own actions and understand why they are where they are. The entire situation is avoidable, and it doesn't start with the cop (but he certainly ends it).
I wish cops would take resposiblity for their actions and understand that their authority comes with a higher level of scrutiny. At least it should. The taser was avoidable, and shouldn't be the first thing the cop tries.
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You might want to take a gander at the Criminal Code of Canada before you open your mouth. Specifically section 26:
Every one who is authorized by law to use force is criminally responsible for any excess thereof according to the nature and quality of the act that constitutes the excess. [R.S., c.C-34, s.26.]
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Als, why use a taser first don't they have pepper spray in Canada?
It works wonders, and in this case it would be appropriate.
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"public nuisance" & "fighting in the street" -- so now if someone attacks you, or you annoy your neighbours, you're requesting that someone shoot you with a lethal projectile weapon?
Let's make this clear, in case you are incapable of comprehending this on your own: guns don't ALWAYS kill their targets, but they're "lethal weapons"; knives don't ALWAYS kill their targets, but they're "lethal weapons"; unless you want to start calling the local mugger's 9mm a "non lethal weapon", then a taser is a lethal weapon too.
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This may be the wrong crowd to mention it...
I'm not commenting on the usage here, and policies should be in place for their usage. I'm just saying that before you go condemning their usage overall, please know that the alternative will mean more injuries and unnecessary deaths than they ever cause. (side note: I have been both tased and pepper sprayed. Yes it sucks when it happens, but then you man up and grow a pair)
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Then to say that people should "man up and grow a pair" when few see a need for it to be used here?
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Whether the taser was appropriate or not may be debatable, but the officer shot the teenager IN THE FACE. The teen needed medical professionals to remove the taser. And yet the vast majority of commenters don't even seem to care about this detail, when in my opinion it is the deciding factor in making this a totally inappropriate use of force which rightfully deserves a lawsuit, even if the kid who got shot in the face started the fight
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A more proper target would have been the chest area or the legs.
And at least a courtesy "cease and desist or I will shoot!" would have been nice.
Also, re: safer than wrestling, falling uncontrollably from standing is quite dangerous. Your head falls 5-6 feet down into the street. I have ben told by two different cops that its common for people to suffer more damage falling down than the actual punch that made them fall down.
So on the whole, less violence is better.
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Takes two to tango,and this guy was certainly a moving target (and aware of the police presence, and that the officer had a weapon in their hand).
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Can you imagine explaining in a firearms case:
"Sorry, I shot the kid in the chest from 10 feet away, although I was aiming for his leg."
"Sorry, I hit the other person than the one I was aiming for."
Inappropriate use of force, inappropriately targeted and with no attempt to do anything except be lazy. I hope the kid gets a good lawyer!
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The officer didn't fire blindly.
If you want to be an asshole, do it on your own posts. Your shit is so weak, you should spend your time working on that rather than trying to be "cute" and put words in my mouth.
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Yes, I am aware he had the capacity of sight at the time. It's called a figure of speech.
do it on your own posts
Er, what posts? I don't exactly write here very often. I haven't posted anything in weeks.
You are truly a fucking asshole.
Yup. I'm a big supporter of all the standard True Fucking Asshole causes, like "holding police to high standards of behaviour" and "not shooting kids in the face"
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And cops never do anything wrong.
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You just don't like how you sound.
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"Police Caught Tasing Teen Without Warning"
"caught" suggests that they are doing something specifically illegal (not proven). Perhaps the more logicial is:
"Video Shows Police Tasing Teen Without Warning".
The assumption also is that the police had not been on the scene before, that the fight happened only in this location, and isn't part of a large situation, or one that occurred around the corner in front of the cop already. We just don't know - it's an incomplete video.
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And why are you advocating non-partiality here? Seriously? This isn't a news report. I think Mike can use inflamatory headlines if he wants to. Personally, I think he downplayed it a bit.
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Horse shit. You can be "caught" doing a lot of things that aren't illegal. And being "Caught on camera" is a common phrase. Someone could take a picture of you at the mall with your friends for instance. "Hey, I caught Johnny AC at the mall on Saturday."
When your mother caught you jacking off in the bathroom, it was just embarrassing to you. That doesn't make it "specifically illegal."
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Just because you have a weapon in your hand does not give you any right to use it when not necessary. Tasing like shooting someone should be seen as one of the last options.
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The kid or kids could have a history, the cop is by himself. Does anyone know - maybe he broke up a fight last night with these kids, or they are known gang members, previous arrestees, or just boys who are being boys. Odd no one on news front seems to ask this question - it's not the storyline that sells now is it.
Also if he'd called for backup and the kid(s) got hurt he would be crucified for not stepping in quick enough. I doubt he aimed for the kids face too - tasers aren't that accurate.
Another point, he's out numbered 3 to 1 min (lots of other folks around that might get involved) he's at big risk of someone behind him or outside the immediate fight, etc.. pulling a knife or gun or whatever. His first duty is to go home alive IMHO.
Lastly it is funny though, in these situations, the one who gets the bullet or taser or whatever always seems to be angel among the devils.
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Shooting him in the chest or leg, I could see that point being argued. In the face? Nothing justifies shooting anyone in the face.
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In other words, there is absolutely no reasonable way he could have hit the kid's face if he wasn't trying to, unless he was so hopped up on confiscated drugs that he couldn't control his limbs effectively.
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No it's not. His first duty is to not violate the rights of individuals. If that means he leaves in a body-bag, well, that's sad but that's the way it is. If he can't handle that, he should look for a different job. Also please consider his actions. After he shot his Tazer, he is now close to everyone involved without any long-range options. He is now at more of a risk of being knifed than if he had stayed back and called a warning.
"Also if he'd called for backup and the kid(s) got hurt he would be crucified for not stepping in quick enough."
Yes well, there was an option between just waiting for back-up and walking up and shooting. He could have started with a warning and then shot with his Tazer. That cop deserves jail time.
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>>No it's not. His first duty is to not violate the rights of individuals. If that means he leaves in a body-bag, well, that's sad but that's the way it is.
Wrong. He didn't violate anyone's rights.. In the US you ahve 1st amendment rights but you can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. You don't have the right to attack someone and not expect a response. In the video the kid had a chance to run away but didn't, he attacked - was he the agressor/victim? Who knows. Cop probably didn't but he certainly doesn't need to risk his life to find out. Not knowing the context, he might have made the right decision. You don't know, I don't know, but based on the video, I will give him benifit of the doubt. Should he have handled it different, perhaps, but your or anyones monday morning quarterbacking doesn't count -- unless there is more evidence than this video, I will be on the cop's side.
As to waiting, he walked up and took action. Once again, with nothing more than this video -- you can't evaluate the entire situation you can't correctly judge. Would be nice to have more info. Does the cop have a history of excessive force, does the kid(s) have history.
Still I not you didn't comment on the fact that video only shows one side, all the kid(s) were perfect angels right? If you are judging the actions of context why do you just accept that side? Easy to and fits the every cop is a jerk (plenty are BTW) .. mantra. The guy who pepper sprayed the ladies -- he should be crucified -- plenty of context and evidence he was wrong, here not the case.
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That's all their really is to it. The officer used excessive force. Read Section 26 of the Criminal Code of Canada - Every one who is authorized by law to use force is criminally responsible for any excess thereof according to the nature and quality of the act that constitutes the excess. The officer should be charged, there was no reason to use a weapon to break up a fist fight.
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There is alot this video cant tell us, like previous dealing with this individual, alerts that police have when dealing with him, or the level of violence he uses when being confronted all of which vastly affects how we treat people on a day to day basis.
The other thing is that this "kid" was doing was committing an offence, fighting in a public place. If you dont want to have your public streets quiet and safe, dont call the police for a pissy fight.
1. Police will protect themselves as priority 1.
2. Police will protect the public as priority 2.
3. Police will protect the offender as priority 3.
This is and always will be the way police around the world operate, you have no right to tell a police officer he should be putting the offenders safety over his own, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I am especially astounded at your ignorance and serious belief that I should be going home in a body bag, just because that's the way it worked out, you sound like a model citizen...
I'd like to see you do it for a living, but by the wording of your comment, I can guess at which side of that confrontation you'd like to be on.
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Nowdays, people are rightly worried if a cop approaches them. It doesn't matter if you are simply taking a walk; you're subject to pepper spray, being tasered, thrown to the ground and arrested at any time.
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If that was my boy...
"Don't you know that fighting is wrong???" *zzzaaaap*
"Don't you know that fighting doesn't solve anything???" *zzzzaaap*
"Who broke that lamp in the living room five years ago??? That was you, wasn't it???" *zzzzaaaap*
"To hell with the belt!! I'm buyin' one of these contraptions. And the next time you go off like that, I'm gonna shock your a** again!!" *zzzzaaaaap* *zzzzaaaaap*
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1. The suspect would have been eliminated entirely with no chance of getting up to harm the officer,
2. No one else around the scene (especially the other suspect) would be willing to challenge the officer after displaying his willingness to use deadly force.
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I'd love to know what story he would have spun if he hadn't known about the video.
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If the Officer had 1. Identified himself 2. Ordered the suspects to stop and get on the ground and then they refused or kept fighting? Then the Tazer or sidearm would come into play. Again with orders to stop and get on the ground.
I would hate to see what happened if there was any kind of weapon involved. Would the office have shot him with his sidearm without identifying himself?
I think that the kid has some good grounds for suing the officer on this one.
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My problem with the taser, and I have a big one, is not that it might kill. In a sense, it's not lether enough. Despite, in my city anyway, being promised that tasers would only be used in situations where a gun would otherwise have been employed, the fact that most people can get shot with a taser and live has led to rampant and massive abuse of them. They are used well beyond situations where a gun would otherwise have been used.
They are used to enforce compliance from nonviolent but noncompliant people. They are used, like in this situation, as a measure of first resort as an easy way to "pacify" people by lazy cops. They are used to overtly torture.
If they were more dangerous, we members of the public might be a bit safer from abusive or lazy cops. As it is, tasers make it all too easy for cops to demonstrate one fo the main reasons that they aren't trusted or respected by a very large percentage of the population.
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And as for the cops...you talk all the crap you can about them but they are the first ones you call when something bad happens to you. They DO put there lives in danger everyday to keep criminals like this boy off the street. They get paid crappy wages to help serve and protect YOU! Not only that, they have families praying everyday they come home safe as they selflessly respond to YOUR calls! This boy was not permanently hurt, and thankfully the policeman wasn't either. Probably because he responded the way he did.
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The correct answer is "No", but they do it anyway because the taser is considered non-lethal. If everyone saw a similar video of a cop schwacking someone upside the head once with his a police baton for not following instructions, everyone would be screaming bloody murder. But a taser? Meh.
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And like I said before, act like an animal and you will be treated like one.
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Where? Turkmenistan? Fuck off with your spastic fascist rants.
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Can you explain when exactly the kid got a chance to follow those instructions? It must be somewhere on the video and I'm just not seeing it...
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Is that your argument?
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"when an officer of the law tells you to do something like stop (eat dirt) or get on the ground you do it. if not you should be tasered."
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you seem to have some resentments for the cops...did you just get out of prison?
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Oh you don't? Well that's funny, because what you originally said was:
When a cop tells you to do something you are suppose to do it! period!!!
So maybe you should choose your words a little more carefully next time.
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See, I can kind of understand that... But do you realize that there are plenty of people in the world who, when a cop aks them to get on the ground, do so knowing it might mean they are about to be summarily executed via bullet-to-the-head?
Perhaps we have no reason to be afraid of that right now, in North America. But it shows why giving anyone unquestioned authority is a terrifying idea. We are lucky to not have to deal with cops playing executioner, or with 100% corrupt law enforcement that rustles bribes out of everyone it can - but a hell of a lot of people do. And do you know why we're free of it? Because we have a populace that insists on questioning the police when they step even slightly out of line, and a fundamental belief in individual freedom (though that latter is clearly more enshrined and codified in the U.S. than Canada).
When you start lying down on the ground at an officer's whim, where does it end?
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Listen, for the record, I am a tree hugging, pro choice, pro gay marriage, democrat voting, atheist liberal. But when it comes to crime I believe people should be punished. There should be some fear in people that if they do a crime they will be sent to jail and or prison. I say this bc I would like to be able to walk down a city street and not be scared of someone attacking me. I would like to be able to allow my child to go outside without the fear that they will be attacked or killed. Prison should be feared and not a right of passage.Many criminal types see it as a badge of some kind of screwed up honor! police have to have some power, if they dont they can't do there job and the streets would crumble into chaos.
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Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a guarded cell?
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Hope he doesnt live near you and your loved ones...
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And, as you've indirectly said, if you act like a citizen, for instance if you decide to stand up for your rights in the face of a bad cop, you'll be treated like an animal.
You scare me. I hope you aren't a cop, because your statements here are prime examples of why cops have a bad name.
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I'm in no way saying that criminals shouldn't be caught or punished. I am saying that the police exceed and abuse their authority too often.
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Yes, I think you would be more comfortable in a cell. But I change that original statement to include a padded cell.
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The reason you do not understand why it is excessive is because you do not understand, or perhaps have not even read, the law. Cops are instructed to use minimal force necessary to subdue a suspect. Key word, suspect. You used the operative word criminal to describe what was in fact a suspect. Criminal implies a conviction in a court of law. At that point, not knowing who initiated the violence before the officer arrived, ALL parties involved should have been treated as suspects. Not criminals. Self defense is not a crime.
Your ignorance of the law, and what it means to have a "dangerous job," is astounding.
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And being a cop is NOT one of the safest jobs...I would love to know where you got that load of crap.
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would your feelings be different if you and a loved one were walking down the street, attacked, and then as you defend yourself, and happen to surprise your attackers with your ability to do so, appear to be the aggressor, and are shot in the face with a taser? what if it had hit him in the eye, would you still be glad this "animal got what he deserved?" your sick, and i pray that one day you are in his situation so you can understand what its like.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf
here is your "load of crap." OSHA has some great statistics as well. im not gonna work the google for you anymore, you probably get the idea.
just because you are ignorant, doesnt mean others are. keep trying to defend your position, it is very telling of your moral standing, or lack there of.
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You seem to me to be one of those people who tell there children how special they are when they are mediocre at best and they grow up felling entitled and above the law. Probably like this kid feels.
And a cop's job is very dangerous...who do they call when someone has a gun, or when someone has a knife, or some crazy ass person is threatening people? Most people run away from these situations while the police run directly to it.
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though in your world, only cops can be heroic, and only criminals can be cowardly. your a fascinating individual.
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Do you fight to defend your girlfriend (and yourself), or do you turn your back and run? Leaving her to be raped and beaten? Of course you dont.
And when the cops come, they do not give you any chance to show that you are the good guy. They are not even interested. They taser you in the face and pepper spray your girlfriend.
Because you were fighting in the streets like animals.
Yeah thats totally reasonable. Thats totally the kind of society I want to live in.
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that kid had a chance to get away but he went right back over to the two guys and started fighting. he wasnt yelling for them to stop, NO he was throwing punches...like the animal that he is!
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Thats why all the elite track runners use 'em.
But I see you are stuck on "Urrr throwing punches like an animal" and can not get away from that, so I am just going to ignore you from now on. Not worth my time.
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And if someone was chasing me and i had on heels i would remove them!!!
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It depends on the crime. Would you agree that getting shot with a taser would be excessive for a litterer?
As to your "don't be a criminal" line, I wish that were a guarantee against getting shot. Because it's far from it.
Actually, no, they aren't. I seen too many instances of cops behaving badly to want them around in moments when I'm feeling vulnerable. I'm not just talking out of my hat -- there have been three times when I've been the victim of crimes, one including serious assault, but have not called the cops.
Listen, I know there are some good cops. I've met them personally. But there are a higher percentage of bad people who are cops than bad people in the general population, and the cops themselves show little to no interest in making sure that they are prosecuted or, at least, kicked off the force.
The only safe thing to do when faced with a group of people who are given extraordinary power and who have a larger-than-normal percentage of bad guys is to view them all as risks until proven otherwise.
And yes, they do indeed put their lives on the line, although not all of them are doing it for altruistic reasons. Regardless, I don't minimize the risks they take. They're substantial and I'm glad they do. By the same token, taking those risks doesn't get them a pass to act badly toward the public.
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Actually, I think they get a bad rap because the bad cops tarnish the entire force. This is why I've always been mystified by the lack of effective self-policing among the police. If the cops held themselves, as a group, to a higher standard then they would have a much better reputation overall.
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Only because you will be charged if you handle the situation yourself. Most laws are to make or keep present jobs.
"They DO put there lives in danger everyday to keep criminals like this boy off the street."
Too bad they didn't know that when they signed on.
"...criminals like this boy off the street."
I'll feel much safer when all kids are off the street.
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Under the law in Canada a Tazer is considered a prohibited firearm. The public cannot own one, nor can they own pepper spray or mace. Under that definition you would be charged with the same thing whether you were carrying a Tazer or a machine gun.
Just because its a conducted energy weapon does not mean the Officer should not have to follow the same rules as they do when they use a gun.
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Anyone who says that use of a TASER is appropriate should ask themselves if it would be appropriate to draw a firearm in the same situation, as this was the standard of use for which it was approved.
Instead of respecting use of a TASER according to the same caution one would using a firearm, cops are treating it like an alternative to pepper spray or it would seem at times just for kicks. If the police continue failing to respect this weapon and treat it like a toy, it should be taken away from them.
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It's taken a bad turn and needs to be resolved before all credibility is lost. Partaking in the law, NOT above it.
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The number of times that I have pulled up young ones for acting dangerously to those around them and only used my voice shows that as individuals we can have authority even if not officially. These young ones have pulled their heads in even if they give you the evil eye (which they just don't realise is a complete waste of time).
The various stories written here lately show that those who have officially been given positions of authority do not seem to recognise that they are losing it by there own actions.
That is a serious problem and a pity.
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What happens when the term "cop killer" stops being colloquially ugly?
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No doubt some will come in here and say "look at this kid shot in the face with a taser, that is why there is no respect", not realizing that it happened because of a lack of respect from the kid, not the other way around. They confuse cause and effect very often.
Generation Dis also thinks that they can ignore any law they don't like, and that there should never be any punishment for doing it. They usually crack off some nonsense about the first amendment protecting their right to be a prick and to ignore the rights of others. It usually doesn't work, and they turn into bigger pricks and start blogs to go on and on about it (Hi Mike!).
The lack of respect is overwhleming!
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You would feel right at home there, they dont care one crap about free speech or any of that gangsta prick blog nonsense you hate so much.
Don't send a postcard, we would rather forget you as soon as possible.
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