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he did a lot better early on.
I think it's more that early on he was able to remember a few of very his short talking points, so he was able to form some complete sentences. Once he got distracted/baited, he lost even that.
Is that what you want? For police to be accompanied by a lawyer every time they do something in order to determine whether or not something can be consider suspicious by your ridiculous standards?
This might be your best idea ever, Whatevs.
(Although I'd prefer it be a lawyer assigned to be an advocate for the public.)
How many people did your ancestors shoot? How many bombs did they detonate? How many buildings did they demolish? I'm willing to bet it's none.
The same can't be said of modern day immigrants from the middle east.
Bull. Shit.
These refugees whom you demonize -- THEY are victims of terrorism. They are not detonating bombs and demolishing buildings -- That is what they are trying to escape.
One of the points made by J.O. is that even if you skip the fact that refugees are people not food and go for the "danger" equivalence, the level of danger is off by several orders of magnitude. Out of 200,000 refugees, 3 were linked to terrorist acts, and none of those acts were on US soil. I didn't see 200,000 skittles in that bowl.
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I am betting many here would be willing to murder me just to shut me up with their "Tolerance".
And you'd be wrong about that, as you have been wrong about just about everything else. (To be honest I can't remember anything you've been right about -- factually, morally, or otherwise -- in this discussion but I'm open to the possibility I might have missed something.)
Clinton has, in fact, said that in response to the refugee crisis she would raise Obama's limit of 10,000 to 65,000. That's 550 percent more, a bit higher than what Trump said.
But Clinton has also made it clear that they would have to first be vetted by a screening process, an important detail in the context of Trump's larger point that would-be terrorists have to be kept out of the country.
Yes, Hillary Clinton's plan includes taking in more refugees. Refugees who are already subjected to ... well.. EXTREME vetting. This is the most screened group there is.
You wrote earlier how you've read so much more about thsi than the rest of us.
Then you cite Breitbart.
It's about quality, not quantity. If you cite a site that regularly just makes shit up, your credibility goes out the window.
To save everyone from linking to that site, here's how Breitbart pulled some numbers out of their ass to arrive at ZOMG ONE MILLION REFUGEES
Based on the most recent available DHS data, the U.S. permanently resettled roughly 149,000 migrants from predominantly Muslim countries on green cards in 2014. Yet Clinton has said that, as President, she would expand Muslim migration by importing an additional 65,000 Syrian refugees into the United States during the course of a single fiscal year. Clinton has made no indication that she would limit her proposed Syrian refugee program to one year.
Clinton’s Syrian refugees would come on top of the tens of thousands of refugees the U.S. already admits from Muslim countries.
Adding Clinton’s 65,000 Syrian refugees to the approximately 149,000 Muslim migrants the U.S. resettled on green cards in the course of one year, means that Clinton could permanently resettle roughly 214,000 Muslim migrants in her first year as President. If Clinton were to continue her Syrian refugee program throughout her Presidency, she could potentially resettle as many as 856,000 during her first term alone.
So... First off. The 149000 number is "immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries". Note the word missing: "refugees". Meaning, this is ALL immigration from these countries.
Second, there is no justification for the extrapolation to ONE MILLION REFUGEES OH NOES. It is the logical equivalent of: Yesterday, I had a bowl of ice cream as a meal. (It was dinner.) I eat three meals a day. There are 365 days in one year. Therefore, I will eat 1095 bowls of ice cream in the next year. OMG I'm gonna die.
If you want to claim authority, cite a source that isn't a bullshitting liar who's also no good at math.
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I think it's more that early on he was able to remember a few of very his short talking points, so he was able to form some complete sentences. Once he got distracted/baited, he lost even that.
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Good. Arresting those guards for assault and false imprisonment would be a start.
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Curses! Foiled again.
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This might be your best idea ever, Whatevs.
(Although I'd prefer it be a lawyer assigned to be an advocate for the public.)
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Bull. Shit.
These refugees whom you demonize -- THEY are victims of terrorism. They are not detonating bombs and demolishing buildings -- That is what they are trying to escape.
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Then clearly you've not read much.
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Cato (yes, I'm linking to Cato) has a good piece on this:
http://www.cato.org/blog/trump-jrs-terrorism-skittles-bowl-analogy
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And you'd be wrong about that, as you have been wrong about just about everything else. (To be honest I can't remember anything you've been right about -- factually, morally, or otherwise -- in this discussion but I'm open to the possibility I might have missed something.)
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No, that's not the reason.
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From Politifact
Yes, Hillary Clinton's plan includes taking in more refugees. Refugees who are already subjected to ... well.. EXTREME vetting. This is the most screened group there is.
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Then you cite Breitbart.
It's about quality, not quantity. If you cite a site that regularly just makes shit up, your credibility goes out the window.
To save everyone from linking to that site, here's how Breitbart pulled some numbers out of their ass to arrive at ZOMG ONE MILLION REFUGEES
So... First off. The 149000 number is "immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries". Note the word missing: "refugees". Meaning, this is ALL immigration from these countries.
Second, there is no justification for the extrapolation to ONE MILLION REFUGEES OH NOES. It is the logical equivalent of:
Yesterday, I had a bowl of ice cream as a meal. (It was dinner.)
I eat three meals a day.
There are 365 days in one year.
Therefore, I will eat 1095 bowls of ice cream in the next year. OMG I'm gonna die.
If you want to claim authority, cite a source that isn't a bullshitting liar who's also no good at math.
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This is simply false. No candidate is planning to bring millions of refugees to the U.S.
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