If you cannot get off your own fucking ass and do something for your fellow man... you have ZERO fucking right to beg for assistance from others. They have a fucking DUTY to throw off their Government and to provide new guards for their future security.
This is the problem with Americans like you. No respect for the prosperity YOU have that YOU NEVER EARNED! It was given to us, and like a spoiled bratty rich child you are willing to squander it in very wasteful ways!
Ah, yes, the true spirit of America: "Fuck you, I got mine."
Every Nation gets the Government it deserves. The problems those refugees face are of their own making. Every time a coward rolls over for a bully they only invite more bullying. Of course those bombs are fucking scary as hell, all war is scary as fucking hell!
For anyone who's reading, if you're wondering what privilege looks like, this is it, right here.
The hubris to look at the suffering of millions of people and declare that they deserve it. The smug certainty that you -- not by lucky circumstance but by virtue of your own intelligence and fortitude -- will never find yourself in such a situation.
why help foreign refugees when you could be helping your fellow homeless citizens?
Because we're one of the wealthiest nations on earth and we can afford to do both. Because no nation can insulate itself from the effects of a global problem. Because god forbid we should ever find ourselves in such a situation and need help. Because it's the right thing to do.
What exactly makes our nation worth preserving if we choose not to act in the face of the worst global humanitarian crisis in 60 years?
If we want to support refugees, then we do it in their nation. If their plight is SO FUCKING TERRIBLE then we need to take military action. Oh forgot, you are a fucking cowards that would rather see America fall. How about you open your home directly to one of these guys! According to your numbers, you should be perfectly safe!
Yes, their plight is terrible. That's why they've risked their lives to flee.
And as for your "military action" solution... Do you propose that millions of refugees be driven back into their home countries so that they too can enjoy the bombs? Yes, military action in some cases may be part of an effort to reduce the risk of future refugee crises, but war -- however justified -- inevitably creates refugees. And in the meantime... Tens of millions of people are ALREADY refugees, and they need immediate humanitarian assistance.
Developing nations -- those who can least afford it -- currently host 80% of the world's refugees*, while we sit here comfortable and safe in our wealthy countries freaking out about the minuscule risk of helping a few thousand people. Talk about cowardice. It's fucking disgraceful.
It's not a logical fallacy to call someone a racist, a bigot, and a xenophobe when their behavior demonstrates that this is true. Nor is it a logical fallacy to see that a person's racism, bigotry, and xenophobia will lead them to distorted thinking, particularly when we have ample evidence of it right here.
We're facing the worst refugee crisis since World War II, tens of millions of people have been driven from their homes, and the son (and leading advisor) of the Republican nomineee for president is retweeting Nazi memes.
What you're describing is not journalism but an almanac. Journalism also includes analysis.
P.S. That the earth is not flat is fact. A journalist reporting on, say, the Moon orbiting the Earth, can if they like include someone claiming that the earth is flat. They should also point out that person is wrong. That is not a matter of opinion.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The author of that piece isn't calling for abandoning journalistic ethics. He's noting that in an election as unusual as this one, journalists must work harder to live up to the core principles of journalistic ethics -- to seek truth and report it, and to hold those in power accountable.
From the article:
It may not always seem fair to Mr. Trump or his supporters. But journalism shouldn’t measure itself against any one campaign’s definition of fairness. It is journalism’s job to be true to the readers and viewers, and true to the facts, in a way that will stand up to history’s judgment. To do anything less would be untenable.
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I had a really interesting conversation (at least his side of it was interesting to me; I was likely boring him to tears) online with a journalist about this. We were discussing (and I was complaining) how journalists say things like "Trump repeated a falsehood" instead of just outright saying "Trump lied."
He argued that it is not proper for a reporter to say that someone "lied" (using that exact word), as it makes an assumption about motive, and that is more appropriately the role of the editorial page.
HOWEVER (and this is a crucial distinction that the "gotta show both sides equally" crowd has missed), this journalist was very clear that it is his job to point out when someone says something untrue. That's not stating an opinion; that's correcting something that is demonstrably false.
How to do this? A reporter can make any number of factual statements: "X said something untrue", or "X is incorrect", or "X is contradicting something he himself said 10 minutes ago". But to say "X is a liar" moves from fact to assumption, as there's always the alternative explanation that X is simply mistaken, or that X is delusional and genuinely believes what he's saying. (Even though, let's face it, we all know that X is a liar.)
It's splitting hairs, I know, but he made an interesting argument.
... Of course, all this only works if the voting public actually thinks truth matters. And I have my doubts about that.
I wonder how many Europeans now regret their support of these "Poor Refugees" now that several of their daughters are being raped. Look on the bright side, at least they can now have abortions to prevent the dilution of their race, now it can just be wiped the fuck out.
I suppose we should thank you for coming right out and declaring yourself a Nazi.
You see, it has to work both ways, and the only thing I keep seeing is that Americans are required to respect everyone ELSES culture while no other culture is even ASKED to respect the American culture.
I want other cultures to mix into America, but I always ONLY want the people of that Culture wanting to MIX in as well.
American culture is a mix of cultures. That's one of the things that many Americans -- myself included -- value about it.
And what do you mean by "Americans are required to respect other cultures"? Have you been charged with a crime for not respecting someone else's culture?
P.S. This, right here? --> >lets knock the fucking nations government over >and force them to do it correctly This is how a whole lot of these refugee crises got started in the first place.
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Ah, yes, the true spirit of America: "Fuck you, I got mine."
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For anyone who's reading, if you're wondering what privilege looks like, this is it, right here.
The hubris to look at the suffering of millions of people and declare that they deserve it. The smug certainty that you -- not by lucky circumstance but by virtue of your own intelligence and fortitude -- will never find yourself in such a situation.
Christ, what an asshole.
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Because we're one of the wealthiest nations on earth and we can afford to do both.
Because no nation can insulate itself from the effects of a global problem.
Because god forbid we should ever find ourselves in such a situation and need help.
Because it's the right thing to do.
What exactly makes our nation worth preserving if we choose not to act in the face of the worst global humanitarian crisis in 60 years?
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Yes, their plight is terrible. That's why they've risked their lives to flee.
And as for your "military action" solution... Do you propose that millions of refugees be driven back into their home countries so that they too can enjoy the bombs? Yes, military action in some cases may be part of an effort to reduce the risk of future refugee crises, but war -- however justified -- inevitably creates refugees. And in the meantime... Tens of millions of people are ALREADY refugees, and they need immediate humanitarian assistance.
Developing nations -- those who can least afford it -- currently host 80% of the world's refugees*, while we sit here comfortable and safe in our wealthy countries freaking out about the minuscule risk of helping a few thousand people. Talk about cowardice. It's fucking disgraceful.
*http://www.unric.org/en/world-refugee-day/26978-new-report-developing-countries-host-80 -of-refugees-
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We're facing the worst refugee crisis since World War II, tens of millions of people have been driven from their homes, and the son (and leading advisor) of the Republican nomineee for president is retweeting Nazi memes.
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Re: You are wrong!
Journalism also includes analysis.
P.S. That the earth is not flat is fact. A journalist reporting on, say, the Moon orbiting the Earth, can if they like include someone claiming that the earth is flat. They should also point out that person is wrong. That is not a matter of opinion.
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From the article:
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The customers' accounts were "real" (in the sense that they existed). They were just created without the customers' knowledge or consent.
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Re: This is what they're trained to do in j-school
He argued that it is not proper for a reporter to say that someone "lied" (using that exact word), as it makes an assumption about motive, and that is more appropriately the role of the editorial page.
HOWEVER (and this is a crucial distinction that the "gotta show both sides equally" crowd has missed), this journalist was very clear that it is his job to point out when someone says something untrue. That's not stating an opinion; that's correcting something that is demonstrably false.
How to do this? A reporter can make any number of factual statements: "X said something untrue", or "X is incorrect", or "X is contradicting something he himself said 10 minutes ago". But to say "X is a liar" moves from fact to assumption, as there's always the alternative explanation that X is simply mistaken, or that X is delusional and genuinely believes what he's saying. (Even though, let's face it, we all know that X is a liar.)
It's splitting hairs, I know, but he made an interesting argument.
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Of course, all this only works if the voting public actually thinks truth matters. And I have my doubts about that.
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Thiel
*Is there even a way to find out (legally)?
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But it does work
The problem is that, for Comcast, this is working exactly as intended.
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I suppose we should thank you for coming right out and declaring yourself a Nazi.
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Re: AC#3 - Two kinds of refugees
And what do you mean by "Americans are required to respect other cultures"? Have you been charged with a crime for not respecting someone else's culture?
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But in fairness their behavior can be difficult to distinguish from that of smug self-righteous Christians.
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In addition to all the groups others have cited...
The Lord's Resistance Army
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Re: Re: Burqinis et. al.
At last you've found an exact parallel to what Nice officials are doing here: Mandating what women wear in public.
What better way to show how highly you value individual liberty than to ban people from exercising it.
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Re: Refugees
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You oblivious entitled little prick.
P.S. This, right here? -->
>lets knock the fucking nations government over
>and force them to do it correctly
This is how a whole lot of these refugee crises got started in the first place.
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