So one day COVID-19 will be history. CDC says not until the Fall of this year, but whatever.
By then we'll have been enjoying watching class act racers (well except for one), NHL players, etc. We'll have watched them live... delayed... and sometimes play by play when WE want to, not when directors want to.
Sponsors love it - costs them a lot less
Teams love it - costs them a lot less
Players love it - no pants
I'm not sure everyone will want to get back to "real live sports".
Personally I'm curious to how "professional sports" will be after this virus mess. My hope is some come back ... and some don't. (pick your sport of choice).
You know what, why don't you go ahead and have the last word. You refuse to discuss the topic and want to make it about me, your views on my mental diseases you imagine, and then resort to namecalling.
So you've gone from a remote psychologist to just another Internet troll who calls people names. Good job!
...hope you mind the rest of us pointing it out...
It's a flaw in the real sociopaths that they think everyone's with them. There's no "rest of us." Nobody is pointing anything out. You're just being insulting.
Good luck...
Thanks, have a great weekend yourself. Try not to insult people or pretend your part of a "posse" or "crew" or "rest of us" or whatever you tell yourself to think you have others that agree with you when you insult people on the Internet.
You've once again missed the boat. I'll even do you a solid and explain.
the client/server relationship
The "client/server" thing is software. In the real world we have a "vendor/client" relationship. If you choose to access a web page you don't have a vendor/client relationship. You got access to a free website. That's why Google is a good example (it's free, and you CHOOSE to access it) and Spotify is a bad example (it's not free and you need a login to access it). I could go on but you don't seem to get it.
The exact amount of intelligence and maturity I expected from you.
Yeah, I told you this wasn't about me but you seem fixated. Listen, we're not going to have a relationship, so you can go find someone else to fixate on.
May you never wake up one morning and realise that the abuses you demanded be heaped upon others are now happening to you
Again, this is not about me but thanks for your "well-wishes".
Try and stick to the topic, and if you can't, just buckle up and enjoy the ride.
This isn't a debate. A debate would have two opinions. This is you trying to maintain an absurd position and blaming me for pointing it out. Just stop. Go out with your mommy and drive in violation of the speed limit... and HOPE TO HELL nobody in the world says that's "speeding".
Have a great Day/Night/Morning/Evening wherever your third-world hat is hung.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotely diagnosing sociopathy instead of addres
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I say companies don't have to obey laws in jurisdictions that they don't operate in (regardless of whether people in those jurisdictions use their products).
You say
My opinion would not change.
So much for open mindedness.
That's what separates me from the likes of you.
Yeah, lack of open-mindedness, an inability to discuss facts, and the analysis and reasoning powers your don't possess... those definitely separate you from the "likes of" me, and pretty much Techdirt readers who ... umm... can read and articulate.
Have a great night. If it makes you feel better you can call it a draw. If you'd like to persist... choose another forum. We're done here, Junior.
Re: Re: Remotely diagnosing sociopathy instead of addressing the
I addressed the issue multiple times
No, you didn't.
allow you to whine and ignore
That is what people always say when they can't point to
the comment they are responding to
the critique of that comment
so you have that going for you.
Yes I have "that" going for me that I'm not part of the EuroTrash pretending their laws apply to the whole world. You, and China, and Russia, take your self-entitled attitudes and keep lecturing us about what we "have going for" us.
It's call freedom of expression. Sucks to be you and to not have it.
Remotely diagnosing sociopathy instead of addressing the topic
Hey thanks for your concern, girl. However, you should probably stick to the topic.. or better yet, find something on which you have an expertise or knowhow -- and stick to that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
Umm. All EU-based users of Google services receive those services from Google EMEA, based in Dublin. Ireland. A member of the EU.
Umm, you're not a Google customer. You just use their services for free. Here's what they owe you: $0.00. Convert to your own currency.
I'm actually a Google customer. My company has a contract with Google. We pay them monthly. What they owe us they deliver.
So "Umm, no."
The Google-shouldn't-have-to-abide-by-the-laws-of-the-countries-it-isn't-active-in argument holds some very shallow water, but it 100% doesn't apply in this case, as Google is present in the EU.
Irrelevant unless you have a contract with them. So long as you CHOOSE to use their FREE SERVICES they owe you exactly what I've stated above. If you're unclear on the concept pretend that I owe you something because we're both on the Internet and let me know what weird French or Australian or Danish or other irrelevant law you think I violated... because... umm... no.
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P.S. I'm a citizen of several countries, but my actions in one country aren't subject to the law of other countries no matter how much the small side of the pond wants to think so.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
I disagree, but at least you're honest that the rights of a corporation to abuse their customers, in your mind, trumps the ability of them to be protected against abuse.
I said nothing of the sort. For for FOURTH time what I said is that a company is not liable for violating laws in countries in which they don't operate. I gave several examples.
If I'm a "customer of Spotify" then we have a business relationship; I signed a contract or EULA or equivalent; the laws of my region apply.
Going back to the speed limit analogy.
Your mommy is taking you for a drive and the sign says "Speed limit 60". The speedometer says 60. That's legal. You take a video of this and put it on YouTube.
Some potentate in an irrelevant other place gets a law or an executive order that says "Nobody shall drive faster than 59 ever!" Someone in his jurisdiction chooses to view your video and sees your mommy commit the crime of driving faster than the speed limit in THEIR jurisdiction.
Is mommy now a criminal, or have we relegated mommy to have to be COGNIZANT of EVERY POSSIBLE LAW IN THE WORLD that could affect her, and OBEY ALL THESE LAWS under penalty of maybe $500,000/day or something stupid like that.
What I'm saying is mommy should obey the posted speed limit. If she doesn't, the fines are listed in her statutes and she knows what it will cost her. If France or Australia create "austerity speed limits" it won't change how fast she can drive.
Buckle up and enjoy the ride. Google doesn't have to put up with small-minded EuroRules unless they want to put up offices there and have contracts there. [Which in some countries they do... but watch how this all plays out.]
"Along those same lines the French shouldn't decree what Google does with its servers that are not in France."
They're not, unless they are trying to access the data of customers who ARE in France, in which case the laws where the customer is based apply.
Please stop making up legal standards that don't exist. You're obviously an Internet lawyer or just a Techdirt novelist. Either way your fiction is your story, not how the world works.
If Google is in the US and has a server in the US and some French dude accesses that server, the laws that apply are US laws. The French would LOVE it to be different (and apparently you do too) but it doesn't work that way. See my previous posting re Noriega, El Chapo, etc.
I have servers here in the US. French people can access them. I do not have to follow the GDPR or any other EuroCrap. Not to mention TechDirtWannabeLawyerCrap.
Please stop asking hypothetical questions to try and build up your untenable position and misunderstanding of international law:
Are you really OK with Google being able to skirt any national law so long as they use a remote data centre, or would you be OK with Spotify deciding to misuse any data on Americans as much as they want so long as they use their data centre in Sweden to do that?
The legal standard is not "Am I [Ehud] OK with Google doing X." There are laws, and there are treaties, and you address none that I've already brought up.
I'm OK with no strawman arguments. I just told you. Google is bound by the laws under which THEY operate, not random laws in which people who choose to use Google's server live.
So, you're saying that sovereign nations should not have the right to enforce their own laws?
Sovereign nations should always have the rights to enforce THEIR own laws on THEIR own land.
So, to use recent history as an example, the US shouldn't enforce US laws on El Chapo in Mexico. The US shouldn't march an army into Panama and arrest Manual Noriega.
Along those same lines the French shouldn't decree what Google does with its servers that are not in France. Neither should Australia.
Imagine if we in the United States had to put up with every little stupid rule that every stupid little "sovereign nation" came up... under penalty of either being invaded, having our president arrested and taken to that country to "face trial" after his assets are first stripped so he can't afford a lawyer, then jailed. (And I don't even like our current president but I sure respect his right not to be tried in a foreign court for stuff he does her that other sovereign countries don't like.)
The GDPR is designed to stifle productivity. Perhaps, as you suggest, its goals, as "...in response to an actual need..." and given the need for data privacy I would personally agree. Sadly I don't create policy for the small side of The Pond so can't really opine there.
The GDPR is a big stick used to beat up -- primarily -- on successful US companies that understand the Internet. All the European companies that begin to get there... move to the US. The US doesn't have a GDPR (although some form of it would be useful) so we can enjoy growth and prosperity.
Unlike France. Italy. Germany. Well, Europe.
I'm not anti-Europe. I'm anti European-centric anti-US laws.
The GDPR was created to force successful firms (all of whom are US based) to comply with things that no
Yes there are parts of the GDPR which are good. Those were buried in the onerous parts designed to PUNISH the successful American companies who DARED to succeed.
The GDPR is worse than Facebook.
Next up... Google Tax on links to stuff in France.
There's nothing for us to sit around and discuss here. Innovators will always exist... and those who do well, come to the US... where they don't have to deal with Europe's small-minded mess.
I went to school with him. Yeah, he was a little rough on the edges, and yeah, he kept putting eyedrops in his eyes. He wasn't that bad. Not like that Gimli guys ghhhh couldn't stand him.
Frankly when Bilbo and I hung out we'd have a good time. When the kids came over (Frodo, Pippen, etc.) it was not so much fun. Sauron was just that guy we never liked in college.
who pioneered every health improvement in the last 50 years
If you think Americans are horrible (thanks for lumping us all in together), why don't you disconnect from the 'Net, stop watching Netflix, Amazon Prime, DVDs, and off yourself. When you do -- don't use a S&W or a 1911 -- Americans made that too. Use a Glock. It's Austrian.
Oh Crap, it uses 9mm parabellum ammunition0 created by NATO, an American thing. Man, try something else.
Sorry for that. Hope you find a good option to NOT EVER USE ANYTHING CREATED BY AMERICANS. Because you can't. There's a reason for that.
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Future
So one day COVID-19 will be history. CDC says not until the Fall of this year, but whatever.
By then we'll have been enjoying watching class act racers (well except for one), NHL players, etc. We'll have watched them live... delayed... and sometimes play by play when WE want to, not when directors want to.
Sponsors love it - costs them a lot less
Teams love it - costs them a lot less
Players love it - no pants
I'm not sure everyone will want to get back to "real live sports".
Personally I'm curious to how "professional sports" will be after this virus mess. My hope is some come back ... and some don't. (pick your sport of choice).
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You know what, why don't you go ahead and have the last word. You refuse to discuss the topic and want to make it about me, your views on my mental diseases you imagine, and then resort to namecalling.
Best wishes to you and have a great weekend.
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Re: Re: Sure thing, Junior
So you've gone from a remote psychologist to just another Internet troll who calls people names. Good job!
It's a flaw in the real sociopaths that they think everyone's with them. There's no "rest of us." Nobody is pointing anything out. You're just being insulting.
Thanks, have a great weekend yourself. Try not to insult people or pretend your part of a "posse" or "crew" or "rest of us" or whatever you tell yourself to think you have others that agree with you when you insult people on the Internet.
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Re: Re: Every time Karl writes a post I get alcohol poisoning
Well at least in one post this year he didn't call a telco an ISP.
Must be some good stuff...
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Sure thing, Junior
You've once again missed the boat. I'll even do you a solid and explain.
Again, this is not about me but thanks for your "well-wishes".
Try and stick to the topic, and if you can't, just buckle up and enjoy the ride.
This isn't a debate. A debate would have two opinions. This is you trying to maintain an absurd position and blaming me for pointing it out. Just stop. Go out with your mommy and drive in violation of the speed limit... and HOPE TO HELL nobody in the world says that's "speeding".
Have a great Day/Night/Morning/Evening wherever your third-world hat is hung.
E
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotely diagnosing sociopathy instead of addres
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I say companies don't have to obey laws in jurisdictions that they don't operate in (regardless of whether people in those jurisdictions use their products).
You say
So much for open mindedness.
Yeah, lack of open-mindedness, an inability to discuss facts, and the analysis and reasoning powers your don't possess... those definitely separate you from the "likes of" me, and pretty much Techdirt readers who ... umm... can read and articulate.
Have a great night. If it makes you feel better you can call it a draw. If you'd like to persist... choose another forum. We're done here, Junior.
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Re: Re: Remotely diagnosing sociopathy instead of addressing the
No, you didn't.
That is what people always say when they can't point to
Yes I have "that" going for me that I'm not part of the EuroTrash pretending their laws apply to the whole world. You, and China, and Russia, take your self-entitled attitudes and keep lecturing us about what we "have going for" us.
It's call freedom of expression. Sucks to be you and to not have it.
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Remotely diagnosing sociopathy instead of addressing the topic
Hey thanks for your concern, girl. However, you should probably stick to the topic.. or better yet, find something on which you have an expertise or knowhow -- and stick to that.
Best regards and be well.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy
I don't think you bothered. I think you dabbled.
If you end up bothering or thinking or articulating or -- better yet -- analyzing.. that will be great.
Here's your call to action
or
The two don't seem to align when it comes to criticism and censure of successful Internet firms -- all of whom are US firms.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
Umm, you're not a Google customer. You just use their services for free. Here's what they owe you: $0.00. Convert to your own currency.
I'm actually a Google customer. My company has a contract with Google. We pay them monthly. What they owe us they deliver.
So "Umm, no."
Irrelevant unless you have a contract with them. So long as you CHOOSE to use their FREE SERVICES they owe you exactly what I've stated above. If you're unclear on the concept pretend that I owe you something because we're both on the Internet and let me know what weird French or Australian or Danish or other irrelevant law you think I violated... because... umm... no.
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P.S. I'm a citizen of several countries, but my actions in one country aren't subject to the law of other countries no matter how much the small side of the pond wants to think so.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
I said nothing of the sort. For for FOURTH time what I said is that a company is not liable for violating laws in countries in which they don't operate. I gave several examples.
If I'm a "customer of Spotify" then we have a business relationship; I signed a contract or EULA or equivalent; the laws of my region apply.
Going back to the speed limit analogy.
Your mommy is taking you for a drive and the sign says "Speed limit 60". The speedometer says 60. That's legal. You take a video of this and put it on YouTube.
Some potentate in an irrelevant other place gets a law or an executive order that says "Nobody shall drive faster than 59 ever!" Someone in his jurisdiction chooses to view your video and sees your mommy commit the crime of driving faster than the speed limit in THEIR jurisdiction.
Is mommy now a criminal, or have we relegated mommy to have to be COGNIZANT of EVERY POSSIBLE LAW IN THE WORLD that could affect her, and OBEY ALL THESE LAWS under penalty of maybe $500,000/day or something stupid like that.
What I'm saying is mommy should obey the posted speed limit. If she doesn't, the fines are listed in her statutes and she knows what it will cost her. If France or Australia create "austerity speed limits" it won't change how fast she can drive.
Buckle up and enjoy the ride. Google doesn't have to put up with small-minded EuroRules unless they want to put up offices there and have contracts there. [Which in some countries they do... but watch how this all plays out.]
Ehud
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
I'll try for the third time to explain jurisdiction.
Your mommy is driving down the road and you're in her car. The speed limit sign says "60". The speedometer shows "60".
Some potentate in Luxembourg issues a law that says "nobody shall ever drive faster than 59."
Is your mommy supposed to slow down?
NO. So stop being a douchebag and get a clue. You follow the law where YOU are, not where FRANCE is.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
Please stop making up legal standards that don't exist. You're obviously an Internet lawyer or just a Techdirt novelist. Either way your fiction is your story, not how the world works.
If Google is in the US and has a server in the US and some French dude accesses that server, the laws that apply are US laws. The French would LOVE it to be different (and apparently you do too) but it doesn't work that way. See my previous posting re Noriega, El Chapo, etc.
I have servers here in the US. French people can access them. I do not have to follow the GDPR or any other EuroCrap. Not to mention TechDirtWannabeLawyerCrap.
Please stop asking hypothetical questions to try and build up your untenable position and misunderstanding of international law:
The legal standard is not "Am I [Ehud] OK with Google doing X." There are laws, and there are treaties, and you address none that I've already brought up.
I'm OK with no strawman arguments. I just told you. Google is bound by the laws under which THEY operate, not random laws in which people who choose to use Google's server live.
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Gambling will always be there
eSports, Bitcoin, oil futures, politics.
Gambling has always been there.
The money will flow where two things align:
Gambling has always been there. And it always will.
PT Barnum is famous for the first part of his line "There's a sucker born every minute." He is less famous for his next line:
"...and two to take him."
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Re: Re: Subject to heavy fines
Sovereign nations should always have the rights to enforce THEIR own laws on THEIR own land.
So, to use recent history as an example, the US shouldn't enforce US laws on El Chapo in Mexico. The US shouldn't march an army into Panama and arrest Manual Noriega.
Along those same lines the French shouldn't decree what Google does with its servers that are not in France. Neither should Australia.
Imagine if we in the United States had to put up with every little stupid rule that every stupid little "sovereign nation" came up... under penalty of either being invaded, having our president arrested and taken to that country to "face trial" after his assets are first stripped so he can't afford a lawyer, then jailed. (And I don't even like our current president but I sure respect his right not to be tried in a foreign court for stuff he does her that other sovereign countries don't like.)
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Subject to heavy fines
HEFFY FINEZES? FOR ZE GEE DEE PEE ARRRR? SHVINEHUNT!
Mine gott im himmel.
We're not in Nazi Germany and there are no fines.
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h/t Mike G.
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Re: Re: Is GDPR really all that bad?
The GDPR is designed to stifle productivity. Perhaps, as you suggest, its goals, as "...in response to an actual need..." and given the need for data privacy I would personally agree. Sadly I don't create policy for the small side of The Pond so can't really opine there.
The GDPR is a big stick used to beat up -- primarily -- on successful US companies that understand the Internet. All the European companies that begin to get there... move to the US. The US doesn't have a GDPR (although some form of it would be useful) so we can enjoy growth and prosperity.
Unlike France. Italy. Germany. Well, Europe.
I'm not anti-Europe. I'm anti European-centric anti-US laws.
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Re: Is GDPR really all that bad?
The GDPR was created to force successful firms (all of whom are US based) to comply with things that no
Yes there are parts of the GDPR which are good. Those were buried in the onerous parts designed to PUNISH the successful American companies who DARED to succeed.
The GDPR is worse than Facebook.
Next up... Google Tax on links to stuff in France.
There's nothing for us to sit around and discuss here. Innovators will always exist... and those who do well, come to the US... where they don't have to deal with Europe's small-minded mess.
Best wishes to all,
E
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Re: Re: Stop giving the cops a hard time.
I went to school with him. Yeah, he was a little rough on the edges, and yeah, he kept putting eyedrops in his eyes. He wasn't that bad. Not like that Gimli guys ghhhh couldn't stand him.
Frankly when Bilbo and I hung out we'd have a good time. When the kids came over (Frodo, Pippen, etc.) it was not so much fun. Sauron was just that guy we never liked in college.
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Those horrible Americans
If you think Americans are horrible (thanks for lumping us all in together), why don't you disconnect from the 'Net, stop watching Netflix, Amazon Prime, DVDs, and off yourself. When you do -- don't use a S&W or a 1911 -- Americans made that too. Use a Glock. It's Austrian.
Oh Crap, it uses 9mm parabellum ammunition0 created by NATO, an American thing. Man, try something else.
Sorry for that. Hope you find a good option to NOT EVER USE ANYTHING CREATED BY AMERICANS. Because you can't. There's a reason for that.
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