Until recently, I was the undeclared arbiter of Darryl posts. It's such a tiring task, because he never actually reads anything that you say, even when you use the simplest of terms and smallest words possible.
wow you guys really HATE having your precious ability to steal things, when people call it for what it is !!..
In a stunning display of ignorance, you've shown everyone that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Neither the original post, nor the comments that vivaelamor is referencing, had anything whatsoever to do with copyright infringement. It was about someone's characterization of rape, and an ensuing conversation about why rape is different than other crimes. I encourage you to read it.
The thing to remember is that most of the people in the world are not aware that it is a public forum.
The thing to remember is that everyone who joins Twitter has an obligation to know what it is. I mean, they even have an option to make their posts private. What more do you want? A Twitter employee to come to your home and explain it to you?
I wish I had time to post my opinion and to nitpick your application of statistics but I'll have to settle for cheering you on instead.
Hehe, I'm very new to explaining rape culture to people who are privileged enough not to have the personal experiences that prove it's real. I tried looking for a Rape Culture 101 type thing written by or for a guy, but couldn't find one. :/
Rape, for all its misuses, is rarely portrayed as a good thing...
Neither is it portrayed as a particularly bad thing. Generally, it's an ambiguous thing, to be blamed on the victim's habits, clothing, sexual history, etc., even if it's the rape of a minor, videotaped and plastered on the Internet.
...killing is practically our national entertainment these days.
And rape isn't? Even if it weren't for the prevalence of rape in books, television, and movies, I'd be able to say that it counts as entertainment just from the sheer numbers of people that are raping other people.
..."rape culture", as it stands now, it seems to be very ill-defined...
Rape culture is a term used to describe a culture in which rape and other sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media condone, normalize, excuse, or encourage sexualized violence.
I don't see that definition as confusing or ambiguous. Do you? I also don't see how you could argue that it doesn't describe the culture that we live in.
Talking about rape in a way that offends somebody promotes rape culture.
I don't see that this statement is true. Can you explain further? I mean, I offend people frequently when I talk about rape, and that's not an example of rape culture.
I'd also like to point out that being a part of a rape culture doesn't make everyone morally equivalent with a rapist. Only a rapist is morally equivalent to a rapist.
Sometimes people new to the idea feel offended and subsequently reject it not because it doesn't exist, but because the idea of rape culture means that they're a part of it, and of course, they couldn't be a party to rape. No way.
But I think you're smart enough to skip that particular trap.
Not talking about rape promotes rape culture.
Yes. Not talking about the reality that 1 in 6 American women have been raped is absolutely a part of rape culture.
How many women do you know? Think about it. Count it out, and then divide by six. That's how many women you know that have been raped.
For an even more disturbing number, count how many women are in your family. Divide by six. That's how many women in your family have been raped.
Or how many women you've seriously dated and care for. Divide by six. That's how many of them have been raped.
The general reaction I see from people when presented with this statistic is disbelief. Then it moves to denial, and they usually want to explain why rape really doesn't happen very often, and how women and children are usually lying, why rape in prison doesn't count as rape (Because it's expected, apparently?), and how the victim could have avoided being raped.
Disagreeing with the blog writer on the bounds of the issue makes you a part of rape culture.
Well, sure, why not? I once read an account of Heinlein's trip through Soviet Russia. One of the guides refused to admit that a part of Russia had once been another country. According to the guide, it had always been Russia. Refusing to admit that the boundaries of Russia had changed made the guide a part of the Communist culture. He was perfectly willing to disbelieve the existence of that earlier country and to ignore his own earlier experience with Russian geography in order to keep his head in the ground.
It's really hard to have a discussion when someone starts off by demanding that you agree with them before you can talk.
If you want to have a discussion about whether or not rape culture exists on that particular blog, then yes, it does. However, that particular blog doesn't exists to discuss that topic (although there are many others do, and I'd be happy to track a few down if you're interested).
Again, to use another Heinlein analogy, in Puppet Masters, a government agency has discovered that aliens are attaching themselves to human beings and puppeting (sp?) them. The main characters want to discuss an action plan with Congress. Congress wants to debate the existence of the aliens. It's awfully hard to discuss an an action plan with people who aren't yet ready to concede the existence of the aliens, and it's awfully hard to debate the existence of aliens with people who had seen and been puppeted by them.
That particular blog wants to discuss an action plan. You still want to debate the existence. The difference is that, in this case, this doesn't close off a discussion of rape culture. It only closes it off on that particular blog, which is one of many, many bus stops on the blogosphere. :P
I think if the issue is to really gain traction, there has to be a more vigorous, inclusive debate about what's really a problem and what's just a red herring that will turn away potential allies.
There are many, many vigorous, inclusive debates about the problems inherent in a rape culture. There are even debates about whether or not we live in a rape culture. Potential allies should visit those sites if they want to join in on the discussion. You know, Google is out there. Use it. Educate yourself.
Really, I only sent you that particular link because your posts are smart and usually logical. In general, that blog is like an advanced course, and I don't think that you've even had the beginner's course yet, but logic and intelligence will get you far on any topic, even one as loaded as this once.
Anyway, if you're interested in exploring the question of whether or nor a rape culture exists, I encourage you to follow the links in that post. It will take time. Probably alot of it.
But it will be worth it, if only to debunk the next me that comes along. :)
Yeah, but people are rarely so specific about their wording, even when they aren't using the word rape.
Yes, when people are talking about piracy, they often use the word theft and sometimes rape, but never murder. Why is that? (Answer: We live in a rape culture.)
...would that promote a "murder culture"...
Possibly. Some argue that Americans do have a 'murder' culture, although I don't know much about that.
He just chose rape as his particular example. He could have chosen anything from petty theft (popular with the IP crowd, for sure) to murder.
Yes, he could have chosen anything else, but he didn't. Unless you think that words have no meaning, then his choice of words matters.
I guess I don't really understand where a good portion of the outrage comes from...
What outrage? Again, a critique of something isn't always, or even usually, prompted by anger or rage.
...since it doesn't seem to target what I would consider to be the core issue.
I don't believe that there is a single core issue that defines a rape culture.
If you asked me to define "rape culture", I would say it's a cultural disposition toward making rape "normal" or otherwise "not that bad".
You'd be wrong, largely because that definition assumes that a rape culture is something that we're moving toward, as opposed to something that already exists.
However, if you said that it's a cultural disposition that reaffirms that rape is normal or otherwise not that bad, I might agree with you. :)
Of course, even by your definition, his comment was still an example of rape culture, because rape is generally an acceptable analogy but Nazism is not. Ergo, rape is normal or otherwise not that bad, when compared to Nazism.
So if you make a joke that laughs about rape, that would qualify (PA's first comic did not do this, but you could argue their second did).
Okay, so PA felt it was okay to create a post that mimics something that actually happens in real life with the implication that it was funny, but that's not a joke that laughs about rape?
I don't believe that it was intentional, but arguing that it's not a rape joke because they didn't intend for it to be a rape joke doesn't work. I mean, if you accidentally step on someone's foot, you can't say that you didn't actually step on their foot, right?
(The fact that they didn't realize that it happens every day, in real life, was also an example of rape culture.)
Regardless, I'm not any more irked about the first comic than I was about what followed, which was willful and intentional and shitty. Which is why I no longer read PA.
...if you used the word to describe something not related in any way, such as "DUDE! Did you see that shot? I just totally RAPED you! HURR DURR!", then you are guilty of attempting to change and soften the meaning of the word.
I agree that the above sentence was promoting a rape culture, but that doesn't excuse less obvious examples.
(Under the above definition, and assuming that what we know of Assange's accuser is correct, and it may or may not be, it's very likely I could find her guilty her of promoting "rape culture" by attempting to subvert and twist the word for her own use.)
Hehe, this is a whole thing. There are two women involved, one possible broken condom, one possible act began while one person was asleep and unable to consent, one possible lie, two possible acts of revenge.
Assuming what we know is true, nothing happened at all. You know, since we have no idea what actually happened, and no conclusive proof for Assange or either of the women.
Assuming what we've heard is true, Assange is a rapist, one or both of the women are CIA plants, the women just wanted him to take an STD test and the Swedes decided to make them press charges, and the charges were a revenge move by one or both women.
Maybe I'm off base, but I'm sure you'll correct me. =)
Hey, you asked what I meant. I didn't just randomly correct something you said. :P
And just out of curiosity, did you read Rape Culture 101?
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Yes, your 'education' is just great.
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I did note what you said, which clearly referred to vivaelamor and the rest of us people. Get a clue, Darryl.
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In a stunning display of ignorance, you've shown everyone that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Neither the original post, nor the comments that vivaelamor is referencing, had anything whatsoever to do with copyright infringement. It was about someone's characterization of rape, and an ensuing conversation about why rape is different than other crimes. I encourage you to read it.
If you can read, that is.
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I've kinda been paid in extra Crystal Ball time. How about y'all?
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Hehe, I'm very new to explaining rape culture to people who are privileged enough not to have the personal experiences that prove it's real. I tried looking for a Rape Culture 101 type thing written by or for a guy, but couldn't find one. :/
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^^ This. Thank you. :)
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You said: That is plainly false. First amendment does restrict private entities, as, for instance, in "Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins" decision.
Why don't you reread Robins and then see if you can tell me how this blog qualifies as semi-public property in California?
Sorry, but it is a waste of time to argue with small petulant girls like yourself.
Your misogyny is pathetic and telling. I sincerely hope that you get some counseling and take a logic class or two.
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That's as illogical as your analogy.
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Neither is it portrayed as a particularly bad thing. Generally, it's an ambiguous thing, to be blamed on the victim's habits, clothing, sexual history, etc., even if it's the rape of a minor, videotaped and plastered on the Internet.
...killing is practically our national entertainment these days.
And rape isn't? Even if it weren't for the prevalence of rape in books, television, and movies, I'd be able to say that it counts as entertainment just from the sheer numbers of people that are raping other people.
..."rape culture", as it stands now, it seems to be very ill-defined...
Rape culture is a term used to describe a culture in which rape and other sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media condone, normalize, excuse, or encourage sexualized violence.
I don't see that definition as confusing or ambiguous. Do you? I also don't see how you could argue that it doesn't describe the culture that we live in.
Talking about rape in a way that offends somebody promotes rape culture.
I don't see that this statement is true. Can you explain further? I mean, I offend people frequently when I talk about rape, and that's not an example of rape culture.
I'd also like to point out that being a part of a rape culture doesn't make everyone morally equivalent with a rapist. Only a rapist is morally equivalent to a rapist.
Sometimes people new to the idea feel offended and subsequently reject it not because it doesn't exist, but because the idea of rape culture means that they're a part of it, and of course, they couldn't be a party to rape. No way.
But I think you're smart enough to skip that particular trap.
Not talking about rape promotes rape culture.
Yes. Not talking about the reality that 1 in 6 American women have been raped is absolutely a part of rape culture.
How many women do you know? Think about it. Count it out, and then divide by six. That's how many women you know that have been raped.
For an even more disturbing number, count how many women are in your family. Divide by six. That's how many women in your family have been raped.
Or how many women you've seriously dated and care for. Divide by six. That's how many of them have been raped.
The general reaction I see from people when presented with this statistic is disbelief. Then it moves to denial, and they usually want to explain why rape really doesn't happen very often, and how women and children are usually lying, why rape in prison doesn't count as rape (Because it's expected, apparently?), and how the victim could have avoided being raped.
Disagreeing with the blog writer on the bounds of the issue makes you a part of rape culture.
Well, sure, why not? I once read an account of Heinlein's trip through Soviet Russia. One of the guides refused to admit that a part of Russia had once been another country. According to the guide, it had always been Russia. Refusing to admit that the boundaries of Russia had changed made the guide a part of the Communist culture. He was perfectly willing to disbelieve the existence of that earlier country and to ignore his own earlier experience with Russian geography in order to keep his head in the ground.
It's really hard to have a discussion when someone starts off by demanding that you agree with them before you can talk.
If you want to have a discussion about whether or not rape culture exists on that particular blog, then yes, it does. However, that particular blog doesn't exists to discuss that topic (although there are many others do, and I'd be happy to track a few down if you're interested).
Again, to use another Heinlein analogy, in Puppet Masters, a government agency has discovered that aliens are attaching themselves to human beings and puppeting (sp?) them. The main characters want to discuss an action plan with Congress. Congress wants to debate the existence of the aliens. It's awfully hard to discuss an an action plan with people who aren't yet ready to concede the existence of the aliens, and it's awfully hard to debate the existence of aliens with people who had seen and been puppeted by them.
That particular blog wants to discuss an action plan. You still want to debate the existence. The difference is that, in this case, this doesn't close off a discussion of rape culture. It only closes it off on that particular blog, which is one of many, many bus stops on the blogosphere. :P
I think if the issue is to really gain traction, there has to be a more vigorous, inclusive debate about what's really a problem and what's just a red herring that will turn away potential allies.
There are many, many vigorous, inclusive debates about the problems inherent in a rape culture. There are even debates about whether or not we live in a rape culture. Potential allies should visit those sites if they want to join in on the discussion. You know, Google is out there. Use it. Educate yourself.
Really, I only sent you that particular link because your posts are smart and usually logical. In general, that blog is like an advanced course, and I don't think that you've even had the beginner's course yet, but logic and intelligence will get you far on any topic, even one as loaded as this once.
Anyway, if you're interested in exploring the question of whether or nor a rape culture exists, I encourage you to follow the links in that post. It will take time. Probably alot of it.
But it will be worth it, if only to debunk the next me that comes along. :)
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Yes, when people are talking about piracy, they often use the word theft and sometimes rape, but never murder. Why is that? (Answer: We live in a rape culture.)
...would that promote a "murder culture"...
Possibly. Some argue that Americans do have a 'murder' culture, although I don't know much about that.
He just chose rape as his particular example. He could have chosen anything from petty theft (popular with the IP crowd, for sure) to murder.
Yes, he could have chosen anything else, but he didn't. Unless you think that words have no meaning, then his choice of words matters.
I guess I don't really understand where a good portion of the outrage comes from...
What outrage? Again, a critique of something isn't always, or even usually, prompted by anger or rage.
...since it doesn't seem to target what I would consider to be the core issue.
I don't believe that there is a single core issue that defines a rape culture.
If you asked me to define "rape culture", I would say it's a cultural disposition toward making rape "normal" or otherwise "not that bad".
You'd be wrong, largely because that definition assumes that a rape culture is something that we're moving toward, as opposed to something that already exists.
However, if you said that it's a cultural disposition that reaffirms that rape is normal or otherwise not that bad, I might agree with you. :)
Of course, even by your definition, his comment was still an example of rape culture, because rape is generally an acceptable analogy but Nazism is not. Ergo, rape is normal or otherwise not that bad, when compared to Nazism.
So if you make a joke that laughs about rape, that would qualify (PA's first comic did not do this, but you could argue their second did).
Okay, so PA felt it was okay to create a post that mimics something that actually happens in real life with the implication that it was funny, but that's not a joke that laughs about rape?
I don't believe that it was intentional, but arguing that it's not a rape joke because they didn't intend for it to be a rape joke doesn't work. I mean, if you accidentally step on someone's foot, you can't say that you didn't actually step on their foot, right?
(The fact that they didn't realize that it happens every day, in real life, was also an example of rape culture.)
Regardless, I'm not any more irked about the first comic than I was about what followed, which was willful and intentional and shitty. Which is why I no longer read PA.
...if you used the word to describe something not related in any way, such as "DUDE! Did you see that shot? I just totally RAPED you! HURR DURR!", then you are guilty of attempting to change and soften the meaning of the word.
I agree that the above sentence was promoting a rape culture, but that doesn't excuse less obvious examples.
(Under the above definition, and assuming that what we know of Assange's accuser is correct, and it may or may not be, it's very likely I could find her guilty her of promoting "rape culture" by attempting to subvert and twist the word for her own use.)
Hehe, this is a whole thing. There are two women involved, one possible broken condom, one possible act began while one person was asleep and unable to consent, one possible lie, two possible acts of revenge.
Assuming what we know is true, nothing happened at all. You know, since we have no idea what actually happened, and no conclusive proof for Assange or either of the women.
Assuming what we've heard is true, Assange is a rapist, one or both of the women are CIA plants, the women just wanted him to take an STD test and the Swedes decided to make them press charges, and the charges were a revenge move by one or both women.
Maybe I'm off base, but I'm sure you'll correct me. =)
Hey, you asked what I meant. I didn't just randomly correct something you said. :P
And just out of curiosity, did you read Rape Culture 101?
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