If I were to download El-P's records, it would be to find out if I like it. If I like it, I'm more than willing to pay money (as I have in the past, and how I'll do things in the future).
But for the record, I've completely stopped buying movies and music, but also stopped downloading movies and music all together in my year long ban of anything to do with the recording industry and the movie industry.
I have enough books still to read (most from independent writers, where I've bought their (e)books through Amazon, with the author's affiliate links (thus they make more money that way), and from CreateSpace and Lulu.com), and I'm all the richer for it.
It's not censorship, as your comment is still available, just click to show the comment.
Some people use it to flag comments they disagree with, but it's not unavailable.
Censorship would be if no-one could even see that you posted something.
Score card at the end of the day:
We do not support The Pirate Bay ripping off artists, also we do not think that The Pirate Bay is ripping off artists, that's a fabrication on your end. So 0 points for you.
Techdirt doesn't censor posts, again, misconstruing on your end: 0 points.
The truth is, that you are unwilling to think in the new economic truths.
Fact: pirates have always been there, they are now only more on the forefront. But there have ALWAYS been pirates one way or another. And one man's pirate is another man's only source for content. (Region locking is so retarded in a global world)
Fact: You can't put this cat back in the bag, but you can use the piracy to your advantage, if only you take some time to learn how to communicate with that community.
Fact: artists that have embraced the new economic scales of unlimited supply are doing better than ever before.
In fact, independent artists are having more opportunities of getting heard than in any time in the history of music and movies. And there are many ways of getting funded, with Band Camp, Kickstarter campaigns, and the many audio stores. And they can use (and do use) TPB and other file sharing platforms as promotional vehicles for their own wares.
Fact: Any legislative efforts done by governments worldwide are spurred on by the gatekeepers of the content industry, that are deathly afraid of these new models, because they are losing their advantage of being gatekeeper. It's not done to battle 'piracy', that's only an added bonus and only a talking point.
And no one is stopping you to promote your legal channels on the pirate bay.
How about this: "Great, guys, that you found my work. If you like it, here is the link to my itunes page and my amazon page. I'd love it if you bought the album too. And here is the link to my kickstarter project, to help me fund my next album."
YOU are the one responsible for your own promotion, and the Pirate Bay is offering you a free place to distribute. They don't need to offer contracts and stuff like that. You don't need a contract to get paid.
The money they raise goes to bandwidth bills, they aren't filthy rich, like you imagine them to be.
Wow, where in the hell did you get that idea from? Are you really that bloody single minded. "Everyone who disagrees with me, will never pay for music"? Is that it?
We only hate artists that go "Boohoohoohoo, they are stealing my lunch moneys!" despite there is no such thing happening.
YOU are getting FREE exposure from these pirate sites (like free exposure on youtube, and free exposure on the radio and any other distribution methods), YOU can then use that to YOUR advantage.
If you don't use it, but instead go and sulk in a corner, then it's your own damn fault that no one is buying your crap.
Putting out music for sale is like a real job, you have to put an effort into getting paid. Gee whiz! Who'd ever have thunk it!
In this world YOU are the person responsible for promoting YOUR own work. And you can use The Pirate Bay for promoting your own work, and then offer links for people to easily pay you.
But of course, in your worldview, they are all out to get you, and you wouldn't dream of using free stuff to promote your art, would you?
Don't forget the hired winos and homeless people at the open FCC hearing, where these homeless people were found to be paid by ISPs when the debaters still talked about Net Neutrality.
How does one take an idea? Do you lose the ability to think if someone has the same idea as you do?
Lets see, idea theft, oooh I know:
- Finding Nemo
- Shark tales
Seemed a bit fishy to me.
or
- A bug's life
- Antz
Something buzzing yet?
or
- Kung-fu Panda
- Skunk-fu
Or do we need to karate-chop it into you?
All of them cartoon movies or cartoon series based around a similar idea, and often even released in about the same time. Idea theft? Maybe, but can you prove it? Furthermore did one hurt the sales of the other? No!
Sure, but do you recoup that money after 1 sold book (nope), or after 10 (unlikely), or after 100 (rather more probable)? Do you expect immediate return on investment, or can it be a bit in the future?
Copyeditors, typesetters (for ebooks?), marketing have already been paid before the books even land in the shops. So tying their fees to the book prices is dumb.
It's like the movie studios argument, that piracy hurts the boom operator. Nonsense, he already got paid. It's the ROI that you're worried about. And that's a whole different ballgame.
Great article and highlights one of the pain points in eBook pricing. But it doesn't go far enough for me.
The publishers have to stop thinking of prices per unit sold, because there are no stocking fees, there is no shelf storage needed, no warehouses needed to store the unsold books, in fact there are no unsold books.
And you can recoup on your investment at a later date as well. Because you can keep selling the books, well into the future.
The books also will never get sold out, and they only have to create one master copy, out of which, without loss of quality, an unlimited amount of other copies can be made.
These old type publishers are missing the boat on this one, the smaller publishers that do understand the vastness and limitlessness of the internet will steal these publishers lunch money, and will keep playing the ball between the feet of these lumbering dinosaurs.
I, for one, would like to thank BREIN for pointing me to several good open proxies that I can use to access sites they deemed not worthy for me.
The ISP I have is one of the two that were ordered to block all traffic to a certain site. And ever since then, I hadn't even looked for any way of circumventing, instead I opted to do the civil thing and not download, buy or rent anything backed by these bozos.
But after the overreaching of BREIN with regards to the open proxies of among others the Pirate Party. I decided to try a little civil disobedience and download a show, legally I might add, because not all content on The Pirate Bay is put there illegally.
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The actual courtcases showed a rather different number all together. But why let facts get in the way of a good shilling argument.
Here is the original article, that yours linked to:
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-team-charged-080131/
And it paints a different picture than what TechCrunch made of it.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You Will Be Fine
If I were to download El-P's records, it would be to find out if I like it. If I like it, I'm more than willing to pay money (as I have in the past, and how I'll do things in the future).
But for the record, I've completely stopped buying movies and music, but also stopped downloading movies and music all together in my year long ban of anything to do with the recording industry and the movie industry.
I have enough books still to read (most from independent writers, where I've bought their (e)books through Amazon, with the author's affiliate links (thus they make more money that way), and from CreateSpace and Lulu.com), and I'm all the richer for it.
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Some people use it to flag comments they disagree with, but it's not unavailable.
Censorship would be if no-one could even see that you posted something.
Score card at the end of the day:
We do not support The Pirate Bay ripping off artists, also we do not think that The Pirate Bay is ripping off artists, that's a fabrication on your end. So 0 points for you.
Techdirt doesn't censor posts, again, misconstruing on your end: 0 points.
The truth is, that you are unwilling to think in the new economic truths.
Fact: pirates have always been there, they are now only more on the forefront. But there have ALWAYS been pirates one way or another. And one man's pirate is another man's only source for content. (Region locking is so retarded in a global world)
Fact: You can't put this cat back in the bag, but you can use the piracy to your advantage, if only you take some time to learn how to communicate with that community.
Fact: artists that have embraced the new economic scales of unlimited supply are doing better than ever before.
In fact, independent artists are having more opportunities of getting heard than in any time in the history of music and movies. And there are many ways of getting funded, with Band Camp, Kickstarter campaigns, and the many audio stores. And they can use (and do use) TPB and other file sharing platforms as promotional vehicles for their own wares.
Fact: Any legislative efforts done by governments worldwide are spurred on by the gatekeepers of the content industry, that are deathly afraid of these new models, because they are losing their advantage of being gatekeeper. It's not done to battle 'piracy', that's only an added bonus and only a talking point.
On the post: Asking Fans For Support Isn't Begging, It's Solidifying Our Relationship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
And no one is stopping you to promote your legal channels on the pirate bay.
How about this: "Great, guys, that you found my work. If you like it, here is the link to my itunes page and my amazon page. I'd love it if you bought the album too. And here is the link to my kickstarter project, to help me fund my next album."
YOU are the one responsible for your own promotion, and the Pirate Bay is offering you a free place to distribute. They don't need to offer contracts and stuff like that. You don't need a contract to get paid.
The money they raise goes to bandwidth bills, they aren't filthy rich, like you imagine them to be.
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Apparently you do, because you don't dare to voice your opinion under your own name, instead hide behind the "anonymous coward" nom de plume.
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So what money is the artist's, actually?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: You Will Be Fine
Wow, where in the hell did you get that idea from? Are you really that bloody single minded. "Everyone who disagrees with me, will never pay for music"? Is that it?
On the post: Asking Fans For Support Isn't Begging, It's Solidifying Our Relationship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You Will Be Fine
YOU are getting FREE exposure from these pirate sites (like free exposure on youtube, and free exposure on the radio and any other distribution methods), YOU can then use that to YOUR advantage.
If you don't use it, but instead go and sulk in a corner, then it's your own damn fault that no one is buying your crap.
Putting out music for sale is like a real job, you have to put an effort into getting paid. Gee whiz! Who'd ever have thunk it!
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But of course, in your worldview, they are all out to get you, and you wouldn't dream of using free stuff to promote your art, would you?
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Re: Mod it up (funny)!
Now I demand monetary compensation!
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Lets see, idea theft, oooh I know:
- Finding Nemo
- Shark tales
Seemed a bit fishy to me.
or
- A bug's life
- Antz
Something buzzing yet?
or
- Kung-fu Panda
- Skunk-fu
Or do we need to karate-chop it into you?
All of them cartoon movies or cartoon series based around a similar idea, and often even released in about the same time. Idea theft? Maybe, but can you prove it? Furthermore did one hurt the sales of the other? No!
On the post: Hasbro Offers Nerf Blogger Free Samples, Sends Lawyers And Investigators Instead
I don't support bullies.
Which leads me to believe that yes, it was a ruse to get his address.
Hasbro? Hadbro you mean?
Hasbro, you won't be getting any of my money. You can keep your stupid ponies and your nerf products, and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.
I don't support bullies!
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On the post: HBO Decides It Still Isn't Difficult Enough To Watch HBO Shows
I was tempted
Fuck that, I'm not going to give money to a company that thinks it can screw their PAYING customers up the ass with these extra hoops.
HBO, get a clue. Adding more roadblocks will drive people towards the easier option (piracy) rather than try to deal with your idiocy.
Adapt or expire, those are the only two options, and you've just chosen 'expire a lot quicker'.
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Copyeditors, typesetters (for ebooks?), marketing have already been paid before the books even land in the shops. So tying their fees to the book prices is dumb.
It's like the movie studios argument, that piracy hurts the boom operator. Nonsense, he already got paid. It's the ROI that you're worried about. And that's a whole different ballgame.
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That's just one part of the argument
The publishers have to stop thinking of prices per unit sold, because there are no stocking fees, there is no shelf storage needed, no warehouses needed to store the unsold books, in fact there are no unsold books.
And you can recoup on your investment at a later date as well. Because you can keep selling the books, well into the future.
The books also will never get sold out, and they only have to create one master copy, out of which, without loss of quality, an unlimited amount of other copies can be made.
These old type publishers are missing the boat on this one, the smaller publishers that do understand the vastness and limitlessness of the internet will steal these publishers lunch money, and will keep playing the ball between the feet of these lumbering dinosaurs.
On the post: Court Says Dutch Anti-Piracy Organization Overreached; Won't Shut Down Pirate Party Proxy Site
Thank you, BREIN
The ISP I have is one of the two that were ordered to block all traffic to a certain site. And ever since then, I hadn't even looked for any way of circumventing, instead I opted to do the civil thing and not download, buy or rent anything backed by these bozos.
But after the overreaching of BREIN with regards to the open proxies of among others the Pirate Party. I decided to try a little civil disobedience and download a show, legally I might add, because not all content on The Pirate Bay is put there illegally.
Fuck you very much, BREIN.
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