The first group to learn coding or protocols or even the difference between the digital world and real world, is the political group.
I don't think Del Mastro should be involved in making decisions regarding copyrights. I can't believe Peterborough voted for this guy.
I guess to deal buying a car and buying a house are the same thing, both can keep you dry when it rains (leaks aside) and therefor we should outlaw watering your lawn.
Actually yes. I was discussing this with someone who said they needed a COBOL developer and this discussion was in the summer of 2011. They have legacy systems laying around and also had really old database systems that could not easily be ported to something new.
I must be too inexperienced with databases to understand how rules can be so complicated that you can't port from an old database to a new one and create rules to perform the same domain (real world) to database mapping.
Either I'm naive and too green with DB's or the people they had offering their expertise were the non-programming programmers. I have experience with one like that who switched to CS because she did well in a Java course for some business program. She could not understand how to take three single function ("main") programs and merge into a single program. I was dumbfounded at how she managed to get into CS, especially at UWaterloo.
Something that helps bridge the computer/Internet illiteracy gap is understanding protocols.
I'm not talking about having someone memorize them, but if you want someone to understand why when they plugged in their new printer and it didn't work.. it helps to explain how devices talk (though technically USB should have fired that up to the OS with an interrupt, but I digress).
My family does not need to learn to code, but I try to get them to understand what is happening. I use analogies that help them remember. Think of the old RS232. Request to send, clear to send, etc.. Easy analogy, you're at a bar, you make initial eye contact and smile, that's request to send, the woman smiles back, that's clear to send.
In terms of explaining how the Internet works, I've had the privilege of trying to do that on the now non-existent a2f2a.com which was intended to bring artists and fans together. The intent was to open communication between the two parties and help artists understand how technology benefits them and how consumers can understand the value of investing/supporting artists.
Quite often that barrier of background information existed and explaining things became tiring. Some just don't want to get it, but coding would not have helped.
What does help is to explain that, the content you are viewing right now was copied from one computer (server likely) to your web browser and is sitting in areas of your memory (or in the case of Windows, being stored and retrieved numerous times to/from your harddrive - cursed virtual memory management).
So in this case, explaining HTML or database coding wasn't necessary and even if the artist understood SQL they would not understand TCP/IP. So it would benefit more by explaining how computers communicate and how data is exchanged, hence protocols being of high importance.
That's if people know who created the original work.
A friend of mine had no idea Bryan Adams wrote "Heaven" when he heard the dance version by some female artist. Imagine if you showed up on her blog, loads of obsessed fans unknowingly attributing the song's creation to said female artist, and tried to explain it was from Bryan Adams. You would be ostracized.
So true, on Bryan Adam's website those same fans of said female artist would be ostracized or on some other website, say Billboard. But it isn't foolproof.
Many people think "I Write The Songs" was actually written by Barry Manilow. It was Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys.
What would help is if the performing/covering artist attributed the creation to the original author.
Some points on this:
1) Matthew Good replied to a post (some time back) from myself regarding jamming with fans - he does not do that, music is too personal. I suspect other musicians might feel this way, even for non-personal things like just jamming to the blues. Some are just so deep in their music they can't just jam without that connection.
2) Roger O'Donnel of The Cure tried a different approach through MySpace fans back in the day, he offered to remix their work, combine it into an album, release it on iTunes and give the fans a cut in the revenue. That sounded like a cool idea, though I didn't follow up to see how it went. So it doesn't have to always be fans remixing the artist's work, could go the other way too.
3)Back with www.matthewgood.org was in a different form, that is it had a paying members section (only $25 but some shared the content and others bitched about the paywall so it was scrapped) a group of us "M+" members collaborated using Google Wave. We covered songs, the first being Apparitions. That was a true collaborative effort and we had like 8 or 12 people contributing in various ways. Some sang, some added percussion treatments, others (me) played guitar, others added strings, and some just gave creative input like add thunder. It was really awesome to be a part of, despite not including the artist himself. There were other songs going on in parallel, but eventually it died down when the main website became less interactive. We didn't include the artist or take it far enough, but there was a lot of potential and you really felt like you were contributing to the artist even if all you were doing was covering the material. It made you feel more connected. More inspired to buy.
Point being, we have to remind anyone asking "will this work for me" that maybe not, but you need to try different things. There is no magic bullet (ie: fans remix your work) that will work. The key is to be flexible and not get your shorts in a knot if what you tried didn't work for you.
As an aspiring musician, the only use for copyright I would ever want is to stop someone from claiming they wrote what I wrote. If they perform it, I'd like them to have me in the list of credits. That's it.
If I make no money and someone covers or even says "hey, can I have just the music without your singing [ assuming I take lessons again and regain a decent voice ]" or just take the instrumental pieces and make a fortune rapping over it, so be it. As long as I get credit, that's what I am after.
If I want to earn money and make a career so I don't have to develop software full time, then I would work with the performer or studio or fans directly means for fans to purchase something and get something they value in return.
I like cycling, jamming, cooking, gardening, etc.. any of those I'd be open to as a package idea. I also build electronic stuff at home. That would be more expensive as I'd have to put it through safety testing.
The point is, I would not use copyright laws to control copies. I'd use bitTorrent and when you want a free copy of the music or whether you purchased a package and want the free download, I'd just link to the torrent files. I'd probably have to write some software to keep track of seeds and reliability and all that. You can't like to a wrong file because someone mis-seeded. And why should I make direct downloads and pay extra for hosting and bandwidth when I can utilize bitTorrent or P2P for that very purpose?
My music would have value still, even if the majority to contributed financially were actually not paying just for the music itself.
This goes for anyone, I don't believe the value approaches zero. Economics can't explain everything. As brilliant as Keynes was, his theories were not 100% accurate. You cannot predict or fully understand human behaviour. If people only took what was free, why is iTunes doing so well? Because people will pay if you make it easy AND give them a reason.
$0.99 IS worth it for a copy of a song if it means something to the consumer. But so is $25 or $50 for a package that gives them so much more and they connect with the artist.
You have to have fun! It has to be real. If you can't connect, like Neil Peart, they you need other ways to entice people to buy, especially if your music is drowned out by the millions who create and share online.
How many of you understand Neil Peart just can't interact with fans in a personal manner? He struggles with interviews. But what can Neil do if he was a solo artist? Um... I don't play drums but if he had a package that included his music and drum lesson video, little tricks or practice techniques, not even necessarily personalized (because that would be too much work for him), I'd buy it. Seriously, drum practice exercises from a percussion hero? Hell yeah.
Copyright for controlling copies of musical works is pointless. Copyright for credit where credit is due or for even enforcing licensing for someone profiting off of your work, is what it should be limited to. Abolishing it entirely isn't really necessary. Reform sure as hell is though.
Are you telling me that making skipping of commercials illegal is indicative of loss of intelligence for our species, to the point where you'd like to leave?
What about pollution? What about our governments or corporate greed or basic lack of humanity and respect for one another, let alone other species or the planet in general?
There's so much to be embarrassed about with regards to the things humans have and continue to do, we should have built that ship and left a LONG LONG time ago!
"Everybody knows, that the world is full of stupid people, so meet me at the mission at midnight.."
What am I if I channel hop to watch multiple movies or shows at once? (Well... when I visit the family, we don't have cable/internet cable or even an antenna and don't want it - for now we borrow from the library or I buy movies when they are a reasonable price).
All they will do is drive innovation for a new filesharing protocol and client/server application.
They won't get anyone to magically switch to "legal" methods of acquiring material. That isn't their goal anyhow, this tool won't even target movies or music from major labels, it will target the competition, the indies.
In the words of Sam Kinison on It's a Bundyful Life "No, much like a neutered dog... you don't get it."
That's some interesting (awful) contractual obligations.
I especially find the American Idol breach section (1st page, last paragraph) interesting, as it assumes damages done by breach of confidentiality to be $5 million!
I wonder if the leaked portion of the contract that I just read constitutes such a violation and somehow means the Network and Producers are under a $5 million damage claim?
Or are they insinuating that they have some hidden stuff, such as fixing the results outcome, that if revealed would tarnish the show's reputation (and the Netowrk/Producer)?
Caring is better than nothing. Informing people is better than just caring and that's what AC is likely doing, but you're not in their circle so you don't know what they are doing.
I don't join protests, instead I try to inform people in a non-confrontational way. Those I try to inform I try to understand their views first and get them to question things for themselves.
I don't join protests because to me, it's an easy way to be misrepresented and have my efforts turned against me. So instead I hope by getting people to think and question and talk, it will improve their decisions in voting. It's small scale but I my hope is it spreads.
When you try large scale quick changes, they are often easily ignored or reversed. However, slow gradual changes become entrenched and are far more difficult to reverse (such as erosion of civil liberties).
I agree that there is a possibility that the majority don't care. They could be asleep, but the could also simply not care. It's akin to farm animals knowing they are going to die and not trying to make a run for it.
Perhaps there's just too much FUD going on that people are no longer affected when a real message of alarm comes along?
Take a look at airline safety procedures, people complain and then they get used to it and stop trying to fight.
At some point though, something has to strike a nerve with the masses and what might help is more creative stunts by people who appear to be "normal." Occupy movements could have done better if the stereotypical protesters were not the only ones interviewed in the lamescream media. And the masses do not look for information with less bias, they just hear what comes through CNN or whatever they have turned on while preparing dinner.
Some say it is the CIA who is responsible for infecting the mass populous with apathy for just about anything. Maybe there is truth to that.
Or worse, as you suggested, maybe people really just don't care.
You mean like RealDVD, who's creator (RealNetworks) attempted to defy gravity with their efforts to appease Hollywood (they DRM'd RealDVD up the wazoo) only to shelf the product.
Where are the yahoo's who normally say that file sharing sites and technology companies keep the profits for themselves and not share with the artists?
** hears only crickets **
Here's another example as proof the labels won't let any sharing site make profits, let alone provide artists with a non-old-industry revenue stream.
Just think for a moment if you were running for office. You made a promise to yourself to not be swayed by money and to be honest. Then one day you have people from both sides of an argument come and offer money. You could easily then accept money from the one you were going to support anyways and turn away the other.
Maybe at first, but after a few terms in office, you'd be so good you'd be able to collect the offers from both sides and do absolutely nothing, all while giving the appearance to appease each side simultaneously.
The FBI can get off their lazy backsides and utilize the NSA and DHS to push the NSA to share all their information with the FBI.
According to a PBS documentary, the NSA can crack most encryption available in very little time. So why doesn't the FBI do the NSA a favour and start accessing the NSA's databases.
Maybe they can learn some SQL commands and figure out how to sort through 4TB growth every month.
What is next, police requesting powers to snoop? Come off it. If you already have the data captured, use that and stop increasing the risk of privacy invasion by everybody and their mother requesting backdoors. If they start with the FBI, it will not end! We need backdoors plugged. The NSA has the access, FBI should get data from them, stop increasing vulnerability because you don't want to share and you don't know how to get along.
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as per coding discussion with NYC Mayor
I don't think Del Mastro should be involved in making decisions regarding copyrights. I can't believe Peterborough voted for this guy.
I guess to deal buying a car and buying a house are the same thing, both can keep you dry when it rains (leaks aside) and therefor we should outlaw watering your lawn.
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I must be too inexperienced with databases to understand how rules can be so complicated that you can't port from an old database to a new one and create rules to perform the same domain (real world) to database mapping.
Either I'm naive and too green with DB's or the people they had offering their expertise were the non-programming programmers. I have experience with one like that who switched to CS because she did well in a Java course for some business program. She could not understand how to take three single function ("main") programs and merge into a single program. I was dumbfounded at how she managed to get into CS, especially at UWaterloo.
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Maybe not programming but protocols?
I'm not talking about having someone memorize them, but if you want someone to understand why when they plugged in their new printer and it didn't work.. it helps to explain how devices talk (though technically USB should have fired that up to the OS with an interrupt, but I digress).
My family does not need to learn to code, but I try to get them to understand what is happening. I use analogies that help them remember. Think of the old RS232. Request to send, clear to send, etc.. Easy analogy, you're at a bar, you make initial eye contact and smile, that's request to send, the woman smiles back, that's clear to send.
In terms of explaining how the Internet works, I've had the privilege of trying to do that on the now non-existent a2f2a.com which was intended to bring artists and fans together. The intent was to open communication between the two parties and help artists understand how technology benefits them and how consumers can understand the value of investing/supporting artists.
Quite often that barrier of background information existed and explaining things became tiring. Some just don't want to get it, but coding would not have helped.
What does help is to explain that, the content you are viewing right now was copied from one computer (server likely) to your web browser and is sitting in areas of your memory (or in the case of Windows, being stored and retrieved numerous times to/from your harddrive - cursed virtual memory management).
So in this case, explaining HTML or database coding wasn't necessary and even if the artist understood SQL they would not understand TCP/IP. So it would benefit more by explaining how computers communicate and how data is exchanged, hence protocols being of high importance.
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A friend of mine had no idea Bryan Adams wrote "Heaven" when he heard the dance version by some female artist. Imagine if you showed up on her blog, loads of obsessed fans unknowingly attributing the song's creation to said female artist, and tried to explain it was from Bryan Adams. You would be ostracized.
So true, on Bryan Adam's website those same fans of said female artist would be ostracized or on some other website, say Billboard. But it isn't foolproof.
Many people think "I Write The Songs" was actually written by Barry Manilow. It was Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys.
What would help is if the performing/covering artist attributed the creation to the original author.
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Release one song's "source code" at a time? That way you're not using up your webspace for that.
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Not all will embrace it
1) Matthew Good replied to a post (some time back) from myself regarding jamming with fans - he does not do that, music is too personal. I suspect other musicians might feel this way, even for non-personal things like just jamming to the blues. Some are just so deep in their music they can't just jam without that connection.
2) Roger O'Donnel of The Cure tried a different approach through MySpace fans back in the day, he offered to remix their work, combine it into an album, release it on iTunes and give the fans a cut in the revenue. That sounded like a cool idea, though I didn't follow up to see how it went. So it doesn't have to always be fans remixing the artist's work, could go the other way too.
3)Back with www.matthewgood.org was in a different form, that is it had a paying members section (only $25 but some shared the content and others bitched about the paywall so it was scrapped) a group of us "M+" members collaborated using Google Wave. We covered songs, the first being Apparitions. That was a true collaborative effort and we had like 8 or 12 people contributing in various ways. Some sang, some added percussion treatments, others (me) played guitar, others added strings, and some just gave creative input like add thunder. It was really awesome to be a part of, despite not including the artist himself. There were other songs going on in parallel, but eventually it died down when the main website became less interactive. We didn't include the artist or take it far enough, but there was a lot of potential and you really felt like you were contributing to the artist even if all you were doing was covering the material. It made you feel more connected. More inspired to buy.
Point being, we have to remind anyone asking "will this work for me" that maybe not, but you need to try different things. There is no magic bullet (ie: fans remix your work) that will work. The key is to be flexible and not get your shorts in a knot if what you tried didn't work for you.
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If I make no money and someone covers or even says "hey, can I have just the music without your singing [ assuming I take lessons again and regain a decent voice ]" or just take the instrumental pieces and make a fortune rapping over it, so be it. As long as I get credit, that's what I am after.
If I want to earn money and make a career so I don't have to develop software full time, then I would work with the performer or studio or fans directly means for fans to purchase something and get something they value in return.
I like cycling, jamming, cooking, gardening, etc.. any of those I'd be open to as a package idea. I also build electronic stuff at home. That would be more expensive as I'd have to put it through safety testing.
The point is, I would not use copyright laws to control copies. I'd use bitTorrent and when you want a free copy of the music or whether you purchased a package and want the free download, I'd just link to the torrent files. I'd probably have to write some software to keep track of seeds and reliability and all that. You can't like to a wrong file because someone mis-seeded. And why should I make direct downloads and pay extra for hosting and bandwidth when I can utilize bitTorrent or P2P for that very purpose?
My music would have value still, even if the majority to contributed financially were actually not paying just for the music itself.
This goes for anyone, I don't believe the value approaches zero. Economics can't explain everything. As brilliant as Keynes was, his theories were not 100% accurate. You cannot predict or fully understand human behaviour. If people only took what was free, why is iTunes doing so well? Because people will pay if you make it easy AND give them a reason.
$0.99 IS worth it for a copy of a song if it means something to the consumer. But so is $25 or $50 for a package that gives them so much more and they connect with the artist.
You have to have fun! It has to be real. If you can't connect, like Neil Peart, they you need other ways to entice people to buy, especially if your music is drowned out by the millions who create and share online.
How many of you understand Neil Peart just can't interact with fans in a personal manner? He struggles with interviews. But what can Neil do if he was a solo artist? Um... I don't play drums but if he had a package that included his music and drum lesson video, little tricks or practice techniques, not even necessarily personalized (because that would be too much work for him), I'd buy it. Seriously, drum practice exercises from a percussion hero? Hell yeah.
Copyright for controlling copies of musical works is pointless. Copyright for credit where credit is due or for even enforcing licensing for someone profiting off of your work, is what it should be limited to. Abolishing it entirely isn't really necessary. Reform sure as hell is though.
Cheers.
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Are you telling me that making skipping of commercials illegal is indicative of loss of intelligence for our species, to the point where you'd like to leave?
What about pollution? What about our governments or corporate greed or basic lack of humanity and respect for one another, let alone other species or the planet in general?
There's so much to be embarrassed about with regards to the things humans have and continue to do, we should have built that ship and left a LONG LONG time ago!
"Everybody knows, that the world is full of stupid people, so meet me at the mission at midnight.."
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But you're right, because I use the library to check some stuff out first, yeah, I guess I'm a "pirate."
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Still don't get it.
They won't get anyone to magically switch to "legal" methods of acquiring material. That isn't their goal anyhow, this tool won't even target movies or music from major labels, it will target the competition, the indies.
In the words of Sam Kinison on It's a Bundyful Life "No, much like a neutered dog... you don't get it."
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I especially find the American Idol breach section (1st page, last paragraph) interesting, as it assumes damages done by breach of confidentiality to be $5 million!
I wonder if the leaked portion of the contract that I just read constitutes such a violation and somehow means the Network and Producers are under a $5 million damage claim?
Or are they insinuating that they have some hidden stuff, such as fixing the results outcome, that if revealed would tarnish the show's reputation (and the Netowrk/Producer)?
In that case, what exactly are they hiding?
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Caring is better than nothing. Informing people is better than just caring and that's what AC is likely doing, but you're not in their circle so you don't know what they are doing.
I don't join protests, instead I try to inform people in a non-confrontational way. Those I try to inform I try to understand their views first and get them to question things for themselves.
I don't join protests because to me, it's an easy way to be misrepresented and have my efforts turned against me. So instead I hope by getting people to think and question and talk, it will improve their decisions in voting. It's small scale but I my hope is it spreads.
When you try large scale quick changes, they are often easily ignored or reversed. However, slow gradual changes become entrenched and are far more difficult to reverse (such as erosion of civil liberties).
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Perhaps there's just too much FUD going on that people are no longer affected when a real message of alarm comes along?
Take a look at airline safety procedures, people complain and then they get used to it and stop trying to fight.
At some point though, something has to strike a nerve with the masses and what might help is more creative stunts by people who appear to be "normal." Occupy movements could have done better if the stereotypical protesters were not the only ones interviewed in the lamescream media. And the masses do not look for information with less bias, they just hear what comes through CNN or whatever they have turned on while preparing dinner.
Some say it is the CIA who is responsible for infecting the mass populous with apathy for just about anything. Maybe there is truth to that.
Or worse, as you suggested, maybe people really just don't care.
The question is why?
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Alas, they went bye-bye.
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For more details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_group_efforts_against_file_sharing
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Profits in the millions, none to the artists
** hears only crickets **
Here's another example as proof the labels won't let any sharing site make profits, let alone provide artists with a non-old-industry revenue stream.
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Maybe at first, but after a few terms in office, you'd be so good you'd be able to collect the offers from both sides and do absolutely nothing, all while giving the appearance to appease each side simultaneously.
That's a talented, and useless, politician.
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Inefficient
According to a PBS documentary, the NSA can crack most encryption available in very little time. So why doesn't the FBI do the NSA a favour and start accessing the NSA's databases.
Maybe they can learn some SQL commands and figure out how to sort through 4TB growth every month.
What is next, police requesting powers to snoop? Come off it. If you already have the data captured, use that and stop increasing the risk of privacy invasion by everybody and their mother requesting backdoors. If they start with the FBI, it will not end! We need backdoors plugged. The NSA has the access, FBI should get data from them, stop increasing vulnerability because you don't want to share and you don't know how to get along.
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