Borderline. Not quite.
What I am saying, to be clear, is that she created the environment where the rape would eventuate. AND
Such an preceding environment does nothing to lessen the crime.
It simply diminishes the innocence of the victim.
In actuality here we have a very different set of facts.
Arguably the police officers are more liable than they would have been.
Knowingly firing into what had been in the area known armed crowds makes them, not the men from the parking lot, liable for the return fire.
Regardless of what their intentions in gathering there in violation of the curfew, they were retreating when fired upon. Having only committed a civil infraction.
As such the police response to return fire goes from excessive force to targeted assault.
The police fired live projectiles (less lethal or not) with no threat mounted against them.
The return fire was justifiable self defence. The beatings rendered were assault.
and a 3rd party who watches the video will interpret it according to their beliefs and preferences.
Mind you my first impression was evil cop beatings. It was later, an careful review, that the existence of the other question came into play. Mainly in trying to figure out what was said. And I can not tell so therefore do not pass further judgment.
Ultimately we have illicit congregation and cops brutalising people over that.
I have no problem with logical regulation.
Nobody needs a 30 round magazine. Or 20. Not even in the battlefield. Let alone stalking bears or dear.
And if you didn’t do it in the first 10 shots you have the wrong tool (or plan).
Because 20 rounds from a 9mm in a raging black bear is going to give you a pissed off bear.
And I’ve always supported the ban on civilian ownership of actual automatic weapons.
But the idea of going after an ar-15, an m16, or m4?
Principal hunting rifles along with sporting and defence.
Idiots that want to ban things should go after auto load hand guns.
Look, history!
The short barrel is a weapon designed entirely for killing people.
A 40• or 45 revolver will stop a lion or even a bear. A 20? Not so much.
America has a lot of dangerous wildlife. And a fair amount just outside of those urban population centres that house the majority of the population on a tiny percentage of the land.
Regulation needs of o be conscious of reality.
Out side of the city people hunt. People have wild life. Real, legit reasons for firearms.
There also needs to be a reasonable grace period in disarmament. If, as was exampled, Chicago chose to ban all firearms residents should be afforded time to leave and go elsewhere. Not turn over day one.
Figure those two things out and it’s all good to me.
Let’s skip the whole far right cry of not being over-run by a tyrant government. While I fully believe that is, and was, a prime intent: we’re past that idea in tech today.
‘Look how she was dancing, rubbing his crotch. As she slides her hands down his pants. How she flashes her chest dozens of times. The sexual actions she is making’
There’s a difference between blaming a victim and saying a victim is not without fault.
Ohkay. Discussion. Now we’re getting somewhere.
…and with that you have a clear misunderstanding of what he forwarded federal plans of late.
Let’s start with the easy.
“voluntarily” isn’t the point. Law is law.
Nobody (-minus a few crazys) volunteers to raise their own taxes.
Some people will go along with it for one reason or another, but not volunteer.
Yeah, but you say that like the rich are going to pay for that
The cornerstone of a complete flat tax plan is the corporate tax rate.
Anything above 40% fully funds 100% of current government expenditure and all intended social spending suggested in the last few years.
A side effect of that would be, ultimately, lower highest earner income.
Multi-billionaires aren’t the problem. They’re the symptom. The after effect. …of bad corporate tax policy.
Hitting Bezos or Musk with 80% doesn’t do anything about the company itself.
It does nothing to help the poor. Individual wealth is a tiny fraction of corporate wealth.
You talk about people richer than countries. Our top ten companies are all richer than the top 10 people combined. And far richer than the majority of UN states.
Going after individual wealth is retaliatory. It’s not a real solution.
let’s look at that 50% coupled with the same social program.
So the minimum wage worker, again, pays 0.
You miss how the guarantee has always been put forward.
You’re base level income is non-taxable.
If you make 25,000 you pay zero. If you make 25,002 you pay $1.
See how that works out then?
The idea at 10%: You maintain motivation to go to work despite a social safety net.
These plans don’t hurt the poor, they guarantee the poor have enough to be comfortable, not just survive.
And what I see with covid is anyone who chose to not get a vax or use a 95%+ filtration mask (or any at all) and got sick and died because of their choice is one less idiot to worry about.
There it is in plain English black on white text. If your that stupid to choose, choose, full liberty over safety, you deserve it.
That doesn’t change my view of the choice it should be.
Because yes, when you do something that stupid… so be it.
It’s like pointing a gun or running with a knife at cops.
Like the fuck nutz that weave in and out of dense traffic.
When you out everyone around you in danger just drop dead. I won’t loose sleep over it.
Your still the minority in view. And the response wasn’t initially to you, but to a non-us resident.
An no, I’m not a conservative. I’m a morally and socially liberal libertarian who likes guns and government and despises the god and race aspects of conservative politics.
That I’d prefer to to tax the source and not the recipient? Doesn’t make me any more conservative. Frankly, less.
And that I don’t run and cower at the site of a firearm says I have a slightly better outlook for people in general than you apparently do.
Your delusion that eliminating legal gun sales will stop gun violence is just that. Delusional.
I a country this big with this much uncontrolled border where you can illegally enter and exit so easily: criminals will get their guns regardless of laws.
I’d rather be safe than sorry. Or dead.
End of sentence. The idea has lost its charms long ago and theatres were slowly on their way to death BEFORE the pandemic.
It’s not even streaming according to Nielsen. The $200 40” tv was enough to knock it over the line. Not specifically but the generic “TV is better” response is telling.
The value of the dollar debate has shifted completely into the low end of home entertainment. Be it a rental for 1.99, a stream for .49-24.99… it’s the same price at home for one person.
Because you look at $10 a ticket and $10 popcorn and $5 sodas, and the price just is outrageous.
Knowing that they are low volume and capacity limited, less people, less shows, less dirt and goo and noise… and yet people still don’t want to go?
The lake of marketing isn’t even that big of a problem. When no one even looks up a theatre schedule, doesn’t even consider going at all?
The sooner the MAFIAA figures out theatres have zero hold over them the sooner they stop worrying about “lost”, aka non-existing, revenue.
Long gone are the days where a chain threatening not to carry films had any real market teeth to delay other formats.
It’s high time studios just say sod off to theatre chains. They make more money in streaming and DVDs anyway.
I wasn’t since it’s not a “crime” per say.
But yes:
Killing yourself is domestic.
The numbers come from wfld for Chicago and NYT and NYP for New York.
I don’t recall the exact numbers and will have to dig up the reports again but when you combine them the indirect shootings and compare direct confrontations they far outweigh the common robbery or mugging.
It’s hardly surprising for a group of people to respond to an active shooter driving around.
I honestly don’t even fully disagree with their response.
All, literally all, is was pointing out was in this case they weren’t completely innocent civilian bystanders. They actively and intentionally put themselves into that confrontation.
It doesn’t make it right. But it does make it expected.
In the real world; they’re quite lucky it was over zealous illicit law enforcement and not the pillow cover brigade.
Because bed sheeters would have definitely killed them. Likely very slowly.
That a foreign government tried to influence an election. You act like that’s something abnormal!
Every major country get’s involved in foreign elections, including the US!
The question of importance is if Trump knowingly had direct help.
No such evidence exists.
And, if such evidence is found, is it illegal help.
The sad truth here is that a full scale dissolution now would be a literal purge and bloodbath.
I don’t care if you vote red or blue or yellow or green. When you March on my family you become our enemy.
America today is one where politics are political and not practice.
1/4 Catholics attend mass weekly.
And how many peta members would turn down a burger and beef fat fries if starving.
Sip your Starbucks in a PS cup that can’t be recycled in 99% of the country while you discus banning straws.
Well, the first one is obviously true. And I’ve made very clear in most, if not all, my semi-pro-weapons postings that training is vital to reducing stupidity.
The second is impossible to deny. Born of I’ll will and baptised in blood.
The third? You sorely miss the premise in looking at cops.
After domestic hand gun violence, non-personal gun violence is the second largest cause of firearms death. The US has a plague of so-called drive-by shootings. One that hasn’t come close to slowing. Be it gangs spraying from illegal fully automatics or snipers in hotel rooms. A terrorist in the trunk of a car or an initiate on a highway overpass.
From Chicago and LA to back woods Arkansas and the deserts of Nevada.
It’s one case where you miss the humanity of the duel.
Exactly. This has nothing to do with Trump or his choices of people. The FAA has long been against anything that they don’t control.
I’m old enough to remember not just cell phone hate, but the 8-bit revolution they stepped on! The game systems they stepped on. The cable tv rollout.
keep in mind this is the same FAA that stepped on wireless phones. Wired phones. CFL lightbulbs (Mother Jones did an article on bulbs that touched on that if I recall correctly).
They bytch about everything. It’s rule one for any new technology. The faa will complain about it.
I’m surprised their offices aren’t wrapped in tinfoil.
I’m definitely gen X.
Which has always been early 70s to early 80s. Or mid 70s to mid 80s. Following on disco and hippy and boomer. Y for the 90s. What happened to Z? They were a thing and then z just got cancelled out with y? Why?
People can’t even agree on what “millennials” are date wise. Some say people who came of age at the millennium. Other say people born then.
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Borderline. Not quite.
What I am saying, to be clear, is that she created the environment where the rape would eventuate.
AND
Such an preceding environment does nothing to lessen the crime.
It simply diminishes the innocence of the victim.
In actuality here we have a very different set of facts.
Arguably the police officers are more liable than they would have been.
Knowingly firing into what had been in the area known armed crowds makes them, not the men from the parking lot, liable for the return fire.
Regardless of what their intentions in gathering there in violation of the curfew, they were retreating when fired upon. Having only committed a civil infraction.
As such the police response to return fire goes from excessive force to targeted assault.
The police fired live projectiles (less lethal or not) with no threat mounted against them.
The return fire was justifiable self defence. The beatings rendered were assault.
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Mind you my first impression was evil cop beatings. It was later, an careful review, that the existence of the other question came into play. Mainly in trying to figure out what was said. And I can not tell so therefore do not pass further judgment.
Ultimately we have illicit congregation and cops brutalising people over that.
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I have no problem with logical regulation.
Nobody needs a 30 round magazine. Or 20. Not even in the battlefield. Let alone stalking bears or dear.
And if you didn’t do it in the first 10 shots you have the wrong tool (or plan).
Because 20 rounds from a 9mm in a raging black bear is going to give you a pissed off bear.
And I’ve always supported the ban on civilian ownership of actual automatic weapons.
But the idea of going after an ar-15, an m16, or m4?
Principal hunting rifles along with sporting and defence.
Idiots that want to ban things should go after auto load hand guns.
Look, history!
The short barrel is a weapon designed entirely for killing people.
A 40• or 45 revolver will stop a lion or even a bear. A 20? Not so much.
America has a lot of dangerous wildlife. And a fair amount just outside of those urban population centres that house the majority of the population on a tiny percentage of the land.
Regulation needs of o be conscious of reality.
Out side of the city people hunt. People have wild life. Real, legit reasons for firearms.
There also needs to be a reasonable grace period in disarmament. If, as was exampled, Chicago chose to ban all firearms residents should be afforded time to leave and go elsewhere. Not turn over day one.
Figure those two things out and it’s all good to me.
Let’s skip the whole far right cry of not being over-run by a tyrant government. While I fully believe that is, and was, a prime intent: we’re past that idea in tech today.
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A more accurate comparison would be:
‘Look how she was dancing, rubbing his crotch. As she slides her hands down his pants. How she flashes her chest dozens of times. The sexual actions she is making’
There’s a difference between blaming a victim and saying a victim is not without fault.
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Ohkay. Discussion. Now we’re getting somewhere.
…and with that you have a clear misunderstanding of what he forwarded federal plans of late.
Let’s start with the easy.
“voluntarily” isn’t the point. Law is law.
Nobody (-minus a few crazys) volunteers to raise their own taxes.
Some people will go along with it for one reason or another, but not volunteer.
The cornerstone of a complete flat tax plan is the corporate tax rate.
Anything above 40% fully funds 100% of current government expenditure and all intended social spending suggested in the last few years.
A side effect of that would be, ultimately, lower highest earner income.
Multi-billionaires aren’t the problem. They’re the symptom. The after effect. …of bad corporate tax policy.
Hitting Bezos or Musk with 80% doesn’t do anything about the company itself.
It does nothing to help the poor. Individual wealth is a tiny fraction of corporate wealth.
You talk about people richer than countries. Our top ten companies are all richer than the top 10 people combined. And far richer than the majority of UN states.
Going after individual wealth is retaliatory. It’s not a real solution.
let’s look at that 50% coupled with the same social program.
So the minimum wage worker, again, pays 0.
You miss how the guarantee has always been put forward.
You’re base level income is non-taxable.
If you make 25,000 you pay zero. If you make 25,002 you pay $1.
See how that works out then?
The idea at 10%: You maintain motivation to go to work despite a social safety net.
These plans don’t hurt the poor, they guarantee the poor have enough to be comfortable, not just survive.
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And what I see with covid is anyone who chose to not get a vax or use a 95%+ filtration mask (or any at all) and got sick and died because of their choice is one less idiot to worry about.
There it is in plain English black on white text. If your that stupid to choose, choose, full liberty over safety, you deserve it.
That doesn’t change my view of the choice it should be.
Because yes, when you do something that stupid… so be it.
It’s like pointing a gun or running with a knife at cops.
Like the fuck nutz that weave in and out of dense traffic.
When you out everyone around you in danger just drop dead. I won’t loose sleep over it.
Clear enough for you!
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Your still the minority in view. And the response wasn’t initially to you, but to a non-us resident.
An no, I’m not a conservative. I’m a morally and socially liberal libertarian who likes guns and government and despises the god and race aspects of conservative politics.
That I’d prefer to to tax the source and not the recipient? Doesn’t make me any more conservative. Frankly, less.
And that I don’t run and cower at the site of a firearm says I have a slightly better outlook for people in general than you apparently do.
Your delusion that eliminating legal gun sales will stop gun violence is just that. Delusional.
I a country this big with this much uncontrolled border where you can illegally enter and exit so easily: criminals will get their guns regardless of laws.
I’d rather be safe than sorry. Or dead.
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Funny…
sounds like pointing out something clearly seen from the footage. Nothing more.
And even if I’d did blame the victims, which I didn’t, doesn’t release the perpetrators from their own evil actions.
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Ohkay, now that was funny!
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Nowhere, at all, in any way shape or form, did I excuse the actions or reactions of the police here.
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End of sentence. The idea has lost its charms long ago and theatres were slowly on their way to death BEFORE the pandemic.
It’s not even streaming according to Nielsen. The $200 40” tv was enough to knock it over the line. Not specifically but the generic “TV is better” response is telling.
The value of the dollar debate has shifted completely into the low end of home entertainment. Be it a rental for 1.99, a stream for .49-24.99… it’s the same price at home for one person.
Because you look at $10 a ticket and $10 popcorn and $5 sodas, and the price just is outrageous.
Knowing that they are low volume and capacity limited, less people, less shows, less dirt and goo and noise… and yet people still don’t want to go?
The lake of marketing isn’t even that big of a problem. When no one even looks up a theatre schedule, doesn’t even consider going at all?
The sooner the MAFIAA figures out theatres have zero hold over them the sooner they stop worrying about “lost”, aka non-existing, revenue.
Long gone are the days where a chain threatening not to carry films had any real market teeth to delay other formats.
It’s high time studios just say sod off to theatre chains. They make more money in streaming and DVDs anyway.
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Uh, thanks. I guess.
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I wasn’t since it’s not a “crime” per say.
But yes:
Killing yourself is domestic.
The numbers come from wfld for Chicago and NYT and NYP for New York.
I don’t recall the exact numbers and will have to dig up the reports again but when you combine them the indirect shootings and compare direct confrontations they far outweigh the common robbery or mugging.
It’s hardly surprising for a group of people to respond to an active shooter driving around.
I honestly don’t even fully disagree with their response.
All, literally all, is was pointing out was in this case they weren’t completely innocent civilian bystanders. They actively and intentionally put themselves into that confrontation.
It doesn’t make it right. But it does make it expected.
In the real world; they’re quite lucky it was over zealous illicit law enforcement and not the pillow cover brigade.
Because bed sheeters would have definitely killed them. Likely very slowly.
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What is so surprising?
That a foreign government tried to influence an election. You act like that’s something abnormal!
Every major country get’s involved in foreign elections, including the US!
The question of importance is if Trump knowingly had direct help.
No such evidence exists.
And, if such evidence is found, is it illegal help.
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The sad truth here is that a full scale dissolution now would be a literal purge and bloodbath.
I don’t care if you vote red or blue or yellow or green. When you March on my family you become our enemy.
America today is one where politics are political and not practice.
1/4 Catholics attend mass weekly.
And how many peta members would turn down a burger and beef fat fries if starving.
Sip your Starbucks in a PS cup that can’t be recycled in 99% of the country while you discus banning straws.
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I’m not sure where you are headed with that.
For I think STM is correct.
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Well, the first one is obviously true. And I’ve made very clear in most, if not all, my semi-pro-weapons postings that training is vital to reducing stupidity.
The second is impossible to deny. Born of I’ll will and baptised in blood.
The third? You sorely miss the premise in looking at cops.
After domestic hand gun violence, non-personal gun violence is the second largest cause of firearms death. The US has a plague of so-called drive-by shootings. One that hasn’t come close to slowing. Be it gangs spraying from illegal fully automatics or snipers in hotel rooms. A terrorist in the trunk of a car or an initiate on a highway overpass.
From Chicago and LA to back woods Arkansas and the deserts of Nevada.
It’s one case where you miss the humanity of the duel.
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. You’re correct. There’s zero evidence of my involvement in any conservative group. Let alone influence.
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Exactly. This has nothing to do with Trump or his choices of people. The FAA has long been against anything that they don’t control.
I’m old enough to remember not just cell phone hate, but the 8-bit revolution they stepped on! The game systems they stepped on. The cable tv rollout.
keep in mind this is the same FAA that stepped on wireless phones. Wired phones. CFL lightbulbs (Mother Jones did an article on bulbs that touched on that if I recall correctly).
They bytch about everything. It’s rule one for any new technology. The faa will complain about it.
I’m surprised their offices aren’t wrapped in tinfoil.
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Op could still call yourself gen X if you want.
I’m definitely gen X.
Which has always been early 70s to early 80s. Or mid 70s to mid 80s. Following on disco and hippy and boomer. Y for the 90s. What happened to Z? They were a thing and then z just got cancelled out with y? Why?
People can’t even agree on what “millennials” are date wise. Some say people who came of age at the millennium. Other say people born then.
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