"In this day and age, I don't think there's really that much left to "invent"
I have no doubt that this is true for you but fortunately there is much to invent, really an infinity of inventions yet to come.
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"Litigation, the new business model"
Inventors sue when companies steal from them. For some reason we are really fed up with with those who steal our most valuable asset.
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"Apple had applied for over 200 patents on the device."
"Apple has been sued over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. And, of course, only recently did Apple file a patent lawsuit in the other direction."
"What Apple did with the iPhone was quite innovative, but wasn't really that inventive. It took concepts that had been out for a while, including multi-touch, and did something really cool with it"
Mike, you are talking about the difference between real invention and the process of stealing and combining others inventions which big companies like to call innovation.
Apple and other members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness are sued again and again and again because they take liberties with others patent property rights repeatedly and despite Apple's 200 patents Apple no longer produces significant inventions.
All companies eventually have to acquire inventions from others. This is the normal evolution of companies. The only question is are they going to acquire them legitimately or are they going to try and play school yard bully. Most go through the bully stage and after being punished enough times they learn to do things the right way.
Apple has not learned this lesson yet but they will.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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Washington, DC
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One last point, H1B visas have been abused by big companies to undermine fair wages and that has in turn undermined interest by our young people in becoming engineers and scientists. It is important that this program NOT be allowed to be perverted in a way to undermine domestic wages.
I do not think that immigrants should be totally banned from being employed but that it should be limited and that companies who employ one of these immigrants should have restrictions on doing so serially if those they employed are unsuccessful and expelled.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
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President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
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Washington, DC
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We all need to remember that excessive population is at the root of many problems from adverse environmental impact to shortages and high prices. It also facilitates rapid transfer of pathogens and offers more mutation opportunities.
So allowing high value immigration is good but allowing others probably is not wise. Just as America has not lived within our means for some time the same is even more true in countries which consistently reproduce beyond the ability of their land to sustain them.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
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President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
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Good Idea But Could It Lower Capital Availability For Others?
"The leverage between entrepreneurs and VCs can be a delicate enough balance without adding in the fact that you might get deported if you don't take the deal being handed to you."
Very good insight.
I think a better means of determining who should be allowed into America would be to test a broad range of skill areas relevant to their ability to succeed. This is something which Kaufman Foundation would be well suited to help draft and then have job creation milestones.
One concern I have about this is could it lower capital availability for American entrepreneurs.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
The problem with this is that you are not bright enough to produce a real invention of enough value to draw the attention of those patent pirating companies who like to whine about mythical patent trolls.
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If you had a broader background you would understand that hardware and software solutions are traded off all the time. As computing power has increased the scope of software in lieu of hardware solutions have also increased.
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"Generally the companies doing interesting software choose to handle inventions as trade secrets."
Which means that they do not advance the art by teaching. It also means that when someone does come along and teach with a patent that the idiot who used trade secret is toast, rightfully so.
Ronald J. Riley,
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Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
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Yes it does. You just are not knowledgeable enough to understand it.
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This is where all the programming drones hang out. The kind who day after day crank out repetitive unimaginative code. Because they are not capable of an original thought they think that they should be free to copy those who are. That is all they know, copy and copy some more. Think how unimaginative they are.
The problem is that 99% of the programming community is like this. They are equivalent to the poor slob who stood between a pallet of parts on a production line and loaded those parts on a conveyor all day long, day after day, week after week for 20-30 years.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
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President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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Washington, DC
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"This post is part of the IT Innovation series, sponsored by Sun & Intel."
REAL programmers DO take the USPTO seriously. It is the REAL programmers who actually invent something who file for patents and second and third rate ones and their corporate counterparts who while about the patent system.
Mike, this patent is on a VERY narrow linked list concept and it seems unlikely that it has much use. It most certainly does not impact the majority of linked list uses. It is a shame that you and your sponsors saw fit to leave the impression that this patent covered the broad concept.
What I found more interesting is that finally we have a public head on admission that two members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness are sponsoring TechDIRT posts on patent issues. This is most certainly the kind of "insight" we have come to expect.
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Yep, infringers are abusing both the patent system and inventors.
SawStop's saws are in part expensive because they are produced in low volume. Most inventions are very expensive when they are first produced but as the product volume increases the unit cost falls.
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The name reminds me of how a small minority called themselves the Moral majority when in fact they were the Immoral Minority.
Also, the referenced link has pretty poor quality, both the writing and content.
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Re: Patents aren't bad... FORCING patents is bad...
John Decker says: "The problem with statements like this is that what you really mean is "I can imagine a better solution, but have not the energy, finances, ingenuity, or time to actually put something useful in practice, so I can imagine patenting a solution I will NEVER make, but will stand to make me money should someone else actually try to truly PRODUCE something."
Mr. Decker, I have been manufacturing products for over 40 years. What I was saying is that I have other priorities and have no interest in getting into this specific problem. But if I was interested in making saws I see potential ways of addressing the problem.
Patents are not on ideas, they are for specific ways of solving a problem.
As to cost replacement cost issue, if the SawStop product was being produced in much higher volumes that cost would likely come down. If someone actually produced an alternative invention the price will come down.
In any event a $100 per pop to save one or more fingers is really quite reasonable. Lost wages alone would amount to far more than $100.
Patents are expensive and time consuming to get. If people insist on stealing from other people then it is necessary to force them to change their ways.
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Washington, DC
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I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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It is nice to see someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
"I just don't like to see uninformed hyperbole driving the bus."
Which probably describes about 90% of the posts on TechDIRT. It seems there is no shortage of this on forums. That is one reason so many people post anonymously :)
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"but I wonder whether we know all the facts that caused the jury to decide like it did."
This is a very good point. Trials bring out all sorts of information which the rest of us do not have.
The same point applies to patents. People read the easy part of the patent, the general description and then jump to all sorts of wild and unfounded conclusions about the nature of the the patent.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: To be fair to Sawstop, they've probably done nothing wrong
Mike Masnick said:
"I do recognize how effective this is, but if that's the case, let's let it be mandated by consumer product safety law, not through a random trial."
Obviously, a degree in economics does not necessarily instill actual understanding.
It is not the court who mandates use of an available safety device, it would in all likelihood be the manufacturers liability insurance carrier who is going to say to the manufacturer they have to pay a hypothetical extra $200 per saw in insurance and adding the feature to the existing saws will cost a total of say $150.
At this point the saw company willingly licenses.
Now lets look at the dynamics of licensing. Inventor comes along as Sawstop did and offers very reasonable license rate because they are trying to break into the market. Saw maker turns the deal down.
Later saw maker discovers they have a huge liability problem and saw stop has in the meantime created their own product and has a much larger investment.
Guess what, saw manufacturer is no longer offered the bargain deal. Why should they?
Now Sawstop gets to offer a package deal which now includes manufacturing know how and a few tubes of made in America KY to saw manufacturers making J&J a very happy company.
Capitalism is alive and well. Why is it I have hand out this sort of "insight"?
Since we know that there is a high probability that an entitlement minded saw company will try to ripoff Sawstop rather than license this is an open invitation to them to join the Professional Inventors Alliance. We will be quite happy to help them learn how to make any disreputable saw companies whine like a five year old about how mythical patent trolls are keeping them awake all night. Oops, there is another great "insight".
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"so I do not injure myself when running into a tree"
Based on your comments I wouldn't see this as a great loss.
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On the post: And... Here Come The iPad Patent Claims
Re: Nothing new under the sun
I have no doubt that this is true for you but fortunately there is much to invent, really an infinity of inventions yet to come.
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On the post: And... Here Come The iPad Patent Claims
Theft, The New Business Model
On the post: And... Here Come The iPad Patent Claims
Severely Flawed Reasoning
"Apple has been sued over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. And, of course, only recently did Apple file a patent lawsuit in the other direction."
"What Apple did with the iPhone was quite innovative, but wasn't really that inventive. It took concepts that had been out for a while, including multi-touch, and did something really cool with it"
Mike, you are talking about the difference between real invention and the process of stealing and combining others inventions which big companies like to call innovation.
Apple and other members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness are sued again and again and again because they take liberties with others patent property rights repeatedly and despite Apple's 200 patents Apple no longer produces significant inventions.
All companies eventually have to acquire inventions from others. This is the normal evolution of companies. The only question is are they going to acquire them legitimately or are they going to try and play school yard bully. Most go through the bully stage and after being punished enough times they learn to do things the right way.
Apple has not learned this lesson yet but they will.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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On the post: How Can The Startup Visa Be Improved Upon?
H1B Abuse & Assuring That This Is Not Abused
I do not think that immigrants should be totally banned from being employed but that it should be limited and that companies who employ one of these immigrants should have restrictions on doing so serially if those they employed are unsuccessful and expelled.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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Washington, DC
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On the post: How Can The Startup Visa Be Improved Upon?
Population Growth
So allowing high value immigration is good but allowing others probably is not wise. Just as America has not lived within our means for some time the same is even more true in countries which consistently reproduce beyond the ability of their land to sustain them.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
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On the post: How Can The Startup Visa Be Improved Upon?
Good Idea But Could It Lower Capital Availability For Others?
Very good insight.
I think a better means of determining who should be allowed into America would be to test a broad range of skill areas relevant to their ability to succeed. This is something which Kaufman Foundation would be well suited to help draft and then have job creation milestones.
One concern I have about this is could it lower capital availability for American entrepreneurs.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
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On the post: Why Real Programmers Don't Take The USPTO Seriously: Doubly-Linked List Patented
Re: USPTO: Stupidity knows no bounds...
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On the post: Why Real Programmers Don't Take The USPTO Seriously: Doubly-Linked List Patented
Re: Re: SOFTWARE = HARDWARE
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On the post: Why Real Programmers Don't Take The USPTO Seriously: Doubly-Linked List Patented
Re: Re: @MRK
Which means that they do not advance the art by teaching. It also means that when someone does come along and teach with a patent that the idiot who used trade secret is toast, rightfully so.
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On the post: Why Real Programmers Don't Take The USPTO Seriously: Doubly-Linked List Patented
Re: Re: SOFTWARE = HARDWARE
Yes it does. You just are not knowledgeable enough to understand it.
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On the post: Why Real Programmers Don't Take The USPTO Seriously: Doubly-Linked List Patented
Re: Re: Re: SOFTWARE = HARDWARE
You should pity them.
This is where all the programming drones hang out. The kind who day after day crank out repetitive unimaginative code. Because they are not capable of an original thought they think that they should be free to copy those who are. That is all they know, copy and copy some more. Think how unimaginative they are.
The problem is that 99% of the programming community is like this. They are equivalent to the poor slob who stood between a pallet of parts on a production line and loaded those parts on a conveyor all day long, day after day, week after week for 20-30 years.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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Washington, DC
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On the post: Why Real Programmers Don't Take The USPTO Seriously: Doubly-Linked List Patented
Piracy & Fairness Coalition Members Sponsorship
REAL programmers DO take the USPTO seriously. It is the REAL programmers who actually invent something who file for patents and second and third rate ones and their corporate counterparts who while about the patent system.
Mike, this patent is on a VERY narrow linked list concept and it seems unlikely that it has much use. It most certainly does not impact the majority of linked list uses. It is a shame that you and your sponsors saw fit to leave the impression that this patent covered the broad concept.
What I found more interesting is that finally we have a public head on admission that two members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness are sponsoring TechDIRT posts on patent issues. This is most certainly the kind of "insight" we have come to expect.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
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President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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Washington, DC
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On the post: Tool Maker Loses Lawsuit For Not Violating Another Company's Patents
Re: Re: Re: Really a watershed case, or...?
Yep, infringers are abusing both the patent system and inventors.
SawStop's saws are in part expensive because they are produced in low volume. Most inventions are very expensive when they are first produced but as the product volume increases the unit cost falls.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
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Washington, DC
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On the post: Kodak Says Intellectual Ventures Behind Patent Lawsuit Filed By Shell Company
Digital Majority???
Also, the referenced link has pretty poor quality, both the writing and content.
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On the post: Tool Maker Loses Lawsuit For Not Violating Another Company's Patents
Re: Patents aren't bad... FORCING patents is bad...
Mr. Decker, I have been manufacturing products for over 40 years. What I was saying is that I have other priorities and have no interest in getting into this specific problem. But if I was interested in making saws I see potential ways of addressing the problem.
Patents are not on ideas, they are for specific ways of solving a problem.
As to cost replacement cost issue, if the SawStop product was being produced in much higher volumes that cost would likely come down. If someone actually produced an alternative invention the price will come down.
In any event a $100 per pop to save one or more fingers is really quite reasonable. Lost wages alone would amount to far more than $100.
Patents are expensive and time consuming to get. If people insist on stealing from other people then it is necessary to force them to change their ways.
Ronald J. Riley,
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hairbrained Argument
You have to be kidding??
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
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Re: Re: Re: The Way To Go Is Remote Control.
"I just don't like to see uninformed hyperbole driving the bus."
Which probably describes about 90% of the posts on TechDIRT. It seems there is no shortage of this on forums. That is one reason so many people post anonymously :)
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
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Re: Really a watershed case, or...?
This is a very good point. Trials bring out all sorts of information which the rest of us do not have.
The same point applies to patents. People read the easy part of the patent, the general description and then jump to all sorts of wild and unfounded conclusions about the nature of the the patent.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: To be fair to Sawstop, they've probably done nothing wrong
"I do recognize how effective this is, but if that's the case, let's let it be mandated by consumer product safety law, not through a random trial."
Obviously, a degree in economics does not necessarily instill actual understanding.
It is not the court who mandates use of an available safety device, it would in all likelihood be the manufacturers liability insurance carrier who is going to say to the manufacturer they have to pay a hypothetical extra $200 per saw in insurance and adding the feature to the existing saws will cost a total of say $150.
At this point the saw company willingly licenses.
Now lets look at the dynamics of licensing. Inventor comes along as Sawstop did and offers very reasonable license rate because they are trying to break into the market. Saw maker turns the deal down.
Later saw maker discovers they have a huge liability problem and saw stop has in the meantime created their own product and has a much larger investment.
Guess what, saw manufacturer is no longer offered the bargain deal. Why should they?
Now Sawstop gets to offer a package deal which now includes manufacturing know how and a few tubes of made in America KY to saw manufacturers making J&J a very happy company.
Capitalism is alive and well. Why is it I have hand out this sort of "insight"?
Since we know that there is a high probability that an entitlement minded saw company will try to ripoff Sawstop rather than license this is an open invitation to them to join the Professional Inventors Alliance. We will be quite happy to help them learn how to make any disreputable saw companies whine like a five year old about how mythical patent trolls are keeping them awake all night. Oops, there is another great "insight".
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
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Re: Re: Hairbrained Argument
Based on your comments I wouldn't see this as a great loss.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
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