Anarchists (anti-government) people are running the US now. The rule of law is being undermined by a constant stream of lies, actual law-breaking going unpunished when the President does it (Emoluments Clause) and now we have unqualified judges running the courts.
Anarchists are emphatically NOT maintaining the rule of law because gubmint is teh ebil.
But that doesn't mean any old Joe can be a judge. We expect them to know and understand the law in order to pass judgement upon people in accordance with the law.
I actually have pounded the pavement for change. During the ACTA pushback I made my own leaflets and joined forces with local activists to distribute them and actually talk to people to get them to contact their MPs to vote against it. Later on, I was involved in setting up stands, etc. for various causes. I've also leafleted for my local political party.
I often hassle my MP politely but firmly over laws and policies I don't like.
Campaigning isn't only done on the keyboard, it goes into meatspace a lot of the time because meatspace is where things happen.
Yeah... Obama basically governed as Bush III lite. The Establishment Dems are no different from the Reagan and Bush-era Republicans. Why? They've moved hard to the right to ward off the threat of being associated with socialism, thereby making actual socialism increasingly popular. There's only so much scare-mongering you can do till it ultimately backfires.
Agreed, but you can block people. That would get the comments off until they were unblocked. That's the problematic part. If Eldridge doesn't block those people making negative comments, he's out of compliance for failing to remove the comments. That's the First Amendment violation as he would be actively censoring people under government compulsion. That's not even moderation, it's flat out censorship.
Now some people will no doubt argue that the negative commenters' comments can be made on other platforms. Okay, fine. But the speech they're making, as long as it doesn't violate the platform rules or irk Eldridge because he doesn't want them there is being censored because the government is demanding the censorship.
And that, dear friends, is the difference between censorship and moderation: is the government commanding it? If so, it's censorship. If the comments are suppressed per the desire of an individual acting on their own behalf, it's moderation.
Hmm. I'm loving this back-and-forth. Whether or not it's okay is not at issue in the cases of people wearing signs, etc., though we could have a great deal of fun debating it.
Testifying to get a reduced sentence has been happening since forever, as has compelled testimony. However, I'd argue hard against the notion that this is compelled speech as such or the ACLU would have nailed it to the wall a long time ago. As I said earlier the only issue I have with the essay is that it seems incredibly paternalistic, as if the defendant was a naughty child. It's the suppression of negative comments by third parties, which is explicitly political speech (and therefore fully covered by the First Amendment) that I have the problem with. That is flat out censorship.
Eh, it wasn't political, he broke the rules. To tell him to write an essay (how childish!) about respecting the court isn't necessarily political, it's to hammer the message home to him so he doesn't do it again.
To remove all negative comments from the social media accounts he posts it on is WAY more problematic. I can't defend that.
....the defendant didnt raise a claim to ENSURE and protect his own rights
Nonetheless, his own and those of his commenters were violated. I agree that the punishment should fit the crime and after seeing all the arguments so far I think a fine for breaking the rules would have been less problematic.
Oh, stop it, R/O/G/S, give us a break from the incel nonsense.
Be careful what you wish for; if some personally embarrassing details of your life was hauled out in court and dissected on social media, how would you feel? That no-recording rule applies to cases where men are involved, too.
None of the high-profile people involved in it have expressed religious sentiments. They just hate being molested -- or worse -- by creeps who threaten to ruin their careers if they don't submit.
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Even if he was proven in court to be a criminal, his loopy base would continue to support him.
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I don't remember either Obama or Clinton using hotels they owned for official business. Nope, not at all.
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Anarchists (anti-government) people are running the US now. The rule of law is being undermined by a constant stream of lies, actual law-breaking going unpunished when the President does it (Emoluments Clause) and now we have unqualified judges running the courts.
Anarchists are emphatically NOT maintaining the rule of law because gubmint is teh ebil.
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So he or she should ideally know and understand the law, and therefore be qualified to judge.
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The American Bar Association sets the qualifications for judges: https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/webratingchart- trump116.pdf?logActivity=true
The Constitution doesn't specify qualifications as such: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution
But that doesn't mean any old Joe can be a judge. We expect them to know and understand the law in order to pass judgement upon people in accordance with the law.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/american-bar-association-nominees-vandyke/index.html
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Okay, that's true. I suppose our friend would be continually deleting and re-uploading his post, in that case, to remove the negative comments.
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I actually have pounded the pavement for change. During the ACTA pushback I made my own leaflets and joined forces with local activists to distribute them and actually talk to people to get them to contact their MPs to vote against it. Later on, I was involved in setting up stands, etc. for various causes. I've also leafleted for my local political party.
I often hassle my MP politely but firmly over laws and policies I don't like.
Campaigning isn't only done on the keyboard, it goes into meatspace a lot of the time because meatspace is where things happen.
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Yeah... Obama basically governed as Bush III lite. The Establishment Dems are no different from the Reagan and Bush-era Republicans. Why? They've moved hard to the right to ward off the threat of being associated with socialism, thereby making actual socialism increasingly popular. There's only so much scare-mongering you can do till it ultimately backfires.
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Well maybe we shouldn't let the Commander-in-Chief appoint unqualified judges. This kind of thing will become more common, people.
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Agreed, but you can block people. That would get the comments off until they were unblocked. That's the problematic part. If Eldridge doesn't block those people making negative comments, he's out of compliance for failing to remove the comments. That's the First Amendment violation as he would be actively censoring people under government compulsion. That's not even moderation, it's flat out censorship.
Now some people will no doubt argue that the negative commenters' comments can be made on other platforms. Okay, fine. But the speech they're making, as long as it doesn't violate the platform rules or irk Eldridge because he doesn't want them there is being censored because the government is demanding the censorship.
And that, dear friends, is the difference between censorship and moderation: is the government commanding it? If so, it's censorship. If the comments are suppressed per the desire of an individual acting on their own behalf, it's moderation.
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Hmm. I'm loving this back-and-forth. Whether or not it's okay is not at issue in the cases of people wearing signs, etc., though we could have a great deal of fun debating it.
Testifying to get a reduced sentence has been happening since forever, as has compelled testimony. However, I'd argue hard against the notion that this is compelled speech as such or the ACLU would have nailed it to the wall a long time ago. As I said earlier the only issue I have with the essay is that it seems incredibly paternalistic, as if the defendant was a naughty child. It's the suppression of negative comments by third parties, which is explicitly political speech (and therefore fully covered by the First Amendment) that I have the problem with. That is flat out censorship.
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Eh, it wasn't political, he broke the rules. To tell him to write an essay (how childish!) about respecting the court isn't necessarily political, it's to hammer the message home to him so he doesn't do it again.
To remove all negative comments from the social media accounts he posts it on is WAY more problematic. I can't defend that.
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LOL indeed, given that we are totally allowed to slag off the president as long as we don't lie about him in such a way as to cause actual harm.
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....the defendant didnt raise a claim to ENSURE and protect his own rights
Nonetheless, his own and those of his commenters were violated. I agree that the punishment should fit the crime and after seeing all the arguments so far I think a fine for breaking the rules would have been less problematic.
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Oh, stop it, R/O/G/S, give us a break from the incel nonsense.
Be careful what you wish for; if some personally embarrassing details of your life was hauled out in court and dissected on social media, how would you feel? That no-recording rule applies to cases where men are involved, too.
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I'm sorry for your troubles, AC, but btr1701 is correct. Those rules are there for a reason.
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Uh... sorry, man. That's cray-cray.
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Can somebody PLEASE make this First Word?
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None of the high-profile people involved in it have expressed religious sentiments. They just hate being molested -- or worse -- by creeps who threaten to ruin their careers if they don't submit.
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