Just so you know, Catwoman is in the main plot regardless of whether you have the DLC.
They don't change that if you don't have the DLC, although I imagine it might make a little less sense if you don't also play through her chapters.
So, they couldn't include all the content for $60 that they had already made part of the core game?
DLC is supposed to be for new, additional, non-core content, like expansions, new non-core characters, etc.
No one is complaining that Robin or Nightwing are DLC, for example. They aren't core characters in the game; You do not require them to 100%.
To switch to a different series, I don't think anyone complained that Undead Nightmare was DLC/expansion.
Catwoman isn't just an add-on to the game for 1st hand buyers, she is PART OF the game.
Now, if catwoman wasn't part of the game, and just a bonus given to 1st hand buyers, I wouldn't mind so much. A lot of gamers would still be pissed because playing as catwoman was advertised as being a big part of the game. If it hadn't been advertised like that, I doubt many people would have a gripe at all.
The catwoman parts aren't included on the disk, they have to be downloaded.
So it's not only hacking; players would have to also distribute the hacked files. Not that that adds much additional trouble to the hacker, but I imagine that pisses off the 1st hand buyer we just bought the game and has to wait another 10 minutes for his game to finish downloading.
They could also, y'know, realize that the used-game market isn't a bad thing.
It increases the value of their future games, the presence of a secondary market helps the primary market flourish, etc. etc.
I'm more pissed off than anything at the stunt. This isn't something *extra*, this is something they took out of the game. From what I've read, It is impossible to 100% the game without playing as catwoman. Don't have an internet connection? You're SOL, even if you bought first-hand or at gamestop.
Remind me, again, what exactly are they suing over, and what was the point trying to be proven with the anecdote of the lawyer being unable to tell her product apart from a distance?
Egh, I feel bad applying this idea directly to apples products.
I don't really know enough about the specifics.
I maintain however, that it is fully possible for 99% to get obvious ideas wrong in a computer device by the mismanagement or under-importance of the design team.
Yes. And that's the statement I thought you were arguing.
In the design field, we can see that the designs are obvious, because of the very large number of previous ideas that were expressed, like say, that tablet in the film, 2001, that are what apple is claiming is being infringed upon and stolen.
And if what you say is true, and mine not, that still brings me to the same conclusion: something that is and would have been obvious to designers, was not done correctly for the other 99% because it was not in fact, skilled workers who were working on the part that required them.
Even if they're down the chain and doing the grunt work, if you tell programmers how to program, and you don't know how to program, you're going to end up with something horrible, or the least, very unoriginal. I assume the same goes for most any profession, including design.
Re: Response to: fogbugzd on Oct 21st, 2011 @ 8:58pm
Reading failure.
Fog mentions he uses this as an argument against apple fanboys who are angry, or at least argue that, android/RIM/windows copied something from the iPhone, when it is, in fact, the other way around.
In other words, he's not attacking the iPhone, he's attacking the iFans. I don't think he's angry about the iPhone copying things either, or at least that is something that is beyond the scope of his post.
Well, you have reading failure, and I also think the iPhone is somewhat less than revolutionary. 'somewhat'
Now, the iPhone's marketing, sure, I can accept that as something special, but to call it 'revolutionary' when I'm pretty sure smartphones would have eventually become common anyways? Eh.
I agree besides the fact that 3 meters is "not a long distance" to identify something from. We're talking about pieces of plastic that are supposed to be 1 foot away from your nose. Maybe if we were discussing a billboard, or a type of furniture.
From 10 feet away, you can't make out the screws & panels on the laptop bottom, and if viewed from the right angle, my laptop could be confused with my desktop.
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That's very true and another reason to hate DLC in general.
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They don't change that if you don't have the DLC, although I imagine it might make a little less sense if you don't also play through her chapters.
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If I DL the DLC for catwoman, my roommates & GF can also use that DLC when they play on the same console, can't they?
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DLC is supposed to be for new, additional, non-core content, like expansions, new non-core characters, etc.
No one is complaining that Robin or Nightwing are DLC, for example. They aren't core characters in the game; You do not require them to 100%.
To switch to a different series, I don't think anyone complained that Undead Nightmare was DLC/expansion.
Catwoman isn't just an add-on to the game for 1st hand buyers, she is PART OF the game.
Now, if catwoman wasn't part of the game, and just a bonus given to 1st hand buyers, I wouldn't mind so much. A lot of gamers would still be pissed because playing as catwoman was advertised as being a big part of the game. If it hadn't been advertised like that, I doubt many people would have a gripe at all.
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To be fair, catwoman is not required to finish the story. She IS required to 100% the base game.
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I should note also, that in all the promotional material, playing as catwoman was touted as being in the game.
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So, looks to the wiki's sources.
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For example, couldn't they give that fansite a free license to use the trademark?
(That's a real question, IANAL, I don't already know, even if I suspect)
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A part of the base game was taken out of the game to be made into DLC.
This did not need to be separate from the disc, this did not need a redemption code, this was not made after the rest of the game.
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So it's not only hacking; players would have to also distribute the hacked files. Not that that adds much additional trouble to the hacker, but I imagine that pisses off the 1st hand buyer we just bought the game and has to wait another 10 minutes for his game to finish downloading.
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It increases the value of their future games, the presence of a secondary market helps the primary market flourish, etc. etc.
I'm more pissed off than anything at the stunt. This isn't something *extra*, this is something they took out of the game. From what I've read, It is impossible to 100% the game without playing as catwoman. Don't have an internet connection? You're SOL, even if you bought first-hand or at gamestop.
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Learn to threaded mode?
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If apple made GUI a revolution by being the first, then definitely not-apple (RIM?) made the smartphone revolution ;p
I think I'll leave it at "Apple had a positive impact on each of these things", and not try to figure out the magnitude.
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I don't really know enough about the specifics.
I maintain however, that it is fully possible for 99% to get obvious ideas wrong in a computer device by the mismanagement or under-importance of the design team.
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In the design field, we can see that the designs are obvious, because of the very large number of previous ideas that were expressed, like say, that tablet in the film, 2001, that are what apple is claiming is being infringed upon and stolen.
And if what you say is true, and mine not, that still brings me to the same conclusion: something that is and would have been obvious to designers, was not done correctly for the other 99% because it was not in fact, skilled workers who were working on the part that required them.
Even if they're down the chain and doing the grunt work, if you tell programmers how to program, and you don't know how to program, you're going to end up with something horrible, or the least, very unoriginal. I assume the same goes for most any profession, including design.
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Re: Response to: fogbugzd on Oct 21st, 2011 @ 8:58pm
Fog mentions he uses this as an argument against apple fanboys who are angry, or at least argue that, android/RIM/windows copied something from the iPhone, when it is, in fact, the other way around.
In other words, he's not attacking the iPhone, he's attacking the iFans. I don't think he's angry about the iPhone copying things either, or at least that is something that is beyond the scope of his post.
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I'll give you the same answer I give everyone who questions design in computers.
You don't hire [X] to do the work of a skilled [Y], except in the case where we do, in fact, hire programmers to design interfaces.
Should we expect a programmer to be skilled, or see what is obvious, in the field of graphics/interface design?
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Now, the iPhone's marketing, sure, I can accept that as something special, but to call it 'revolutionary' when I'm pretty sure smartphones would have eventually become common anyways? Eh.
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From 10 feet away, you can't make out the screws & panels on the laptop bottom, and if viewed from the right angle, my laptop could be confused with my desktop.
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