"The crux is whether the carrier collected data is available without a warrant. If it is, then they have problem. If not, it's apples & oranges and not reasonable to conflate the two."
no that's not the "crux' at all. it is the exact same information. corporate america has gone so far in pursuit of profits at the expense of ethics that the information that should require a warrant for the government to obtain is instead for sale to it. the 10 page contract you signed with att or cox or jcpenny allows them to collect and sell that information. of course they won't sell it to you, just associate business entities. do you think that doesn't include the government?
why should they just "take the $160 million or so and move on"?
facebook was their idea before zuckerburg came along and stole it. they spent hours coming up with and perfecting the perfect model for a social networking service, only to see zuckerburg come along and open a real website and service, without any kind of payment or license to them. the evidence clearly shows that they were talking about starting some kind of social networking service at some point in the future, or they could have sold that idea to a venture capitalist firm, or just held on to it until a more opportune moment. zuckerburgs' actions clearly devalued the market for their idea, and as such they should receive all the moneys earned from facebook, and not just whatever crumbs that idea thief chooses to give them.
i was going to click the insightful button until i got to your last sentence. that is the kind of mentality that leads to big bureaucracy. just like any other kind of complex question, this kind of thing has to be examined on a case by case basis. otherwise, you get federal agencies tasked with making sure nobody gets to big for their britches, with no authority to look at or ask if this case or that case is actually beneficial or desirable. so these companies are forced to bribe our congresscritters to pass an exemption for this just this instance, and pretty soon the legal definition for monopoly doesn't bear any resemblance to what everyone knows it to mean and only the lawyers can sort it out.
the government that governs best, is the government that shuts itself down cuz they can't pass a budget.
"Please quit the name calling . It's really irritating and doesn't do your credibility any good whatsoever. You may think you're mocking Mike - but actually you just revealing your own childish state of mind."
in comparison to what? your post? i don't particularly care (within limits) what a commenter chooses to call little mikee, but i do take offense at anonymous cowards who assume the right to determine what is and what is not a "good" post.
if you don't like a post then either ignore it or refute it, but i don't think your attempt to silence another commenter is going to go over well here. it's usually the type of thing we're complaining about in our comments.
mike was the obnoxious one, wearing the Cwf+RtB t-shirt, that kept running out to his car every time a jogger or dog walker went by, claiming the fbi was trying to put a gps tracker on it.
this kind of attempt at holding senators responsible for their actions is completely irresponsible. if senators and congressmen aren't allowed to place anonymous holds on legislation they have been payed to block, then the system of pay to play collapses and result in trillions of dollars in losses, and over a billion americans out of work. it's not an ideal system, but that doesn't mean we should be looking to do away with it.
the government needs to be able to propose and block legislation without fear that someone is going to trace the money back to a campaign contributor, or else it creates a climate of uncertainty in which business is unable to invest in new research for fear another company will come along and put out a better product of service. if xyz corp. has to compete in an unregulated market then the hard working men and women of xyz won't be able to feed their children and these same children will end up as teenage prostitutes. i find it very disturbing to discover techdirt supporting child pornography.
these men and women deserve to get paid for their efforts, and secret holds like this one, and secret treaties like acta are the only way to do that. it's all about stopping terrorism, mike, and frankly i am disgusted by the tone of this and other articles i have read here because it is obvious you just don't get that. they want to kill you, mike. that is all they want: to kill you because they hate your freedoms and good jobs and toyota highlanders. i am starting to think that the feds need to come in and shut techdirt down. freedom of speech has limits. when you put real men and women in harms way you should lose your right to spread fud and disinformation. maybe a probationary rights system, where you are only allowed to confirm official government actions and statements is the answer here. let me think about that and get back to you.
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no that's not the "crux' at all. it is the exact same information. corporate america has gone so far in pursuit of profits at the expense of ethics that the information that should require a warrant for the government to obtain is instead for sale to it. the 10 page contract you signed with att or cox or jcpenny allows them to collect and sell that information. of course they won't sell it to you, just associate business entities. do you think that doesn't include the government?
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facebook was their idea before zuckerburg came along and stole it. they spent hours coming up with and perfecting the perfect model for a social networking service, only to see zuckerburg come along and open a real website and service, without any kind of payment or license to them. the evidence clearly shows that they were talking about starting some kind of social networking service at some point in the future, or they could have sold that idea to a venture capitalist firm, or just held on to it until a more opportune moment. zuckerburgs' actions clearly devalued the market for their idea, and as such they should receive all the moneys earned from facebook, and not just whatever crumbs that idea thief chooses to give them.
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the government that governs best, is the government that shuts itself down cuz they can't pass a budget.
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in comparison to what? your post? i don't particularly care (within limits) what a commenter chooses to call little mikee, but i do take offense at anonymous cowards who assume the right to determine what is and what is not a "good" post.
if you don't like a post then either ignore it or refute it, but i don't think your attempt to silence another commenter is going to go over well here. it's usually the type of thing we're complaining about in our comments.
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don't be coy, mike. i've see you at the meetings.
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the government needs to be able to propose and block legislation without fear that someone is going to trace the money back to a campaign contributor, or else it creates a climate of uncertainty in which business is unable to invest in new research for fear another company will come along and put out a better product of service. if xyz corp. has to compete in an unregulated market then the hard working men and women of xyz won't be able to feed their children and these same children will end up as teenage prostitutes. i find it very disturbing to discover techdirt supporting child pornography.
these men and women deserve to get paid for their efforts, and secret holds like this one, and secret treaties like acta are the only way to do that. it's all about stopping terrorism, mike, and frankly i am disgusted by the tone of this and other articles i have read here because it is obvious you just don't get that. they want to kill you, mike. that is all they want: to kill you because they hate your freedoms and good jobs and toyota highlanders. i am starting to think that the feds need to come in and shut techdirt down. freedom of speech has limits. when you put real men and women in harms way you should lose your right to spread fud and disinformation. maybe a probationary rights system, where you are only allowed to confirm official government actions and statements is the answer here. let me think about that and get back to you.
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