That's the right wing attitude to law and order and government in general there for you, folks. 'Don't criticise us, or we'll use machinery of power to punish you.'
Nah. I remember the teaparty, i remember the birtherism, I remember the attacks on the left for not being patriotic for not supporting an illegal, immoral war, I remember Newt Gingrich's turning lies and smears into an art form, I remember the Clinton witchhunts, both Blll and Hillary, I remember welfare queens, I know the southern strategy, McCarthyism and the John Birch society were things whose influence in the GOP can be seen in the party today.
There was no takeover, no sudden shift when his name was put on the ticket. Trump is the final stage of a disease that the Republican party has had longer than I've been alive, the party shifted far enough to the right that his behaviour became acceptable, and they purged virtually everyone willing to compromise long before he even considered running for office.
They scraped off the thin veneer of bipartisanship and fiscal conservatism in the Obama era, now the mask is off entirely. These are your parents republicans without the dogwhistles, Trump proved they can get a large chunk of the vote by saying the quiet part loud.
Republicans: Blue lives matter.
Also Republicans: We will not bail out blue states (using money the blue states pay in taxes) so they can meet their public sector obligations and pay for policing.
Republicans again: Donald Trump cannot be convicted of crimes he's openly committed and law enforcement officials are partisan, left wing scum for suggesting it even if they're registered republicans, we will threaten their lives and those of their families to show how we back the blue!
Republicans too: We support the right wing protesters who beat a cop to death unless we're pretending they're all Antifa today.
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Sorry, but that's bull.
She tried to use her seniority to silence other people and take away their free speech while painting herself as a victim on the way out the door. She tried to get her professors fired while at university, and at the NYT, she tried to use her position to take away the livelyhood of freelancers that dared to criticise her. She also used her platform to cheer on the cancellation of muslim members of congress, but yes, she was the true victim of cancel culture.
She was persona non grata because of her treatment of and attitude toward others. If someone tries to block your friends from getting work elsewhere because she decided to throw her weight around, you are under no obligation to pretend to like them.
She left because she thinks she can ride the wave of 'OMG, cancel culture is bad!' to get higher profile jobs in the right wing media.
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Jordan Peterson has not been silenced. Jordan Peterson has not been prosecuted or persecuted for saying what he says. Jordan Peterson has made a LOT of money painting himself as a free speech martyr, while trying to use his position as a right wing celebrity to attack his colleagues and purge classes that he disagrees with.
"Women's studies, and all the ethnic studies and racial studies groups, man, those things have to go and the faster they go the better," he said. "It would have been better if they had never been part of the university to begin with as far as I can tell." - Jordan Peterson
Choose a better martyr for free speech because if you Judge Jordan Peterson by his actions, it sure looks like the right only want free speech to be a thing when it protects them.
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You know Bari Weiss quit because the NYT wouldn't censor her co -workers free speech and punish them for criticising her nonsense on social media, right? Why is her speech precious and that of her co-workers not?
Parler was funded by a mystery benefactor as a 'free speech platform' and immediately begins banning left wing voices to make a right wing echo chamber where the right go to get angrier and angrier.
The mystery donor turns out to be right wing heiress Rebekah Mercer, part of the dynasty that funded Cambridge Analytica, Breitbart and Steve Bannon while he was helping to radicalise people through Gamergate.
They act like they'll be fiiine without section 230, they have the funding to survive after all, like so many other sites funded by republican megadonor largesse.
Parler loses their hosting after ignoring Amazon's requests that they actually moderate, and you know that whole terrorist attack thing, and despite claiming the site was set up to be able to quickly move to another service, they are yet to do so, choosing instead that to try and sue their way back onto Amazon, a suit they have admitted they cannot afford. Whatever money they had backing them is gone and this is one last roll of the dice as they don't seem to have the finances, knowhow or the will to move elsewhere.
They'll fail, but the site will be brought up for the next four years every time the right want to screech about big tech censorship, that's pretty much all the value the site has now since the whole world now knows what they were doing.
Yes there's some guesswork, but it's not a huge leap like saying '2+2=5' or 'removing section 230 will be good for free speech or the internet'.
They haven't jumped to another host as the funding has dried up because of the whole terrorist insurrection thing, and the people running it know it's more valuable as a martyr in the fight against section 230. They could regain everything tomorrow, but they'll never attract anyone close to being center right after what went down, making it useless as a radicalization tool, so a talking point on fox is the only thing it's good for now.
Meanwhile in reality, the right have people in management positions at corporations like Facebook actively making it harder to see left wing content, while promoting grade A bullshit from people like Bongino and Shapiro. I don't know who you think is running things in Sillicon Valley, because it sure isn't the left making management decisions there.
Do you also believe there's a partnership between the left and the right wing megadonors who've pulled their support from the groups and websites responsible for the coup, which is the real reason Parler can't find hosting elsewhere? Or is it only the companies you're hoping you'll be able to scream about for four years then force to provide services and a platform to domestic terrorists, racists, homophobes, misogynists, antisemites, Qanoners and other right wing garbage next time America loses it's mind and votes a republican into the Whitehouse?
Isn't it fascinating the way conservatives are both the silent majority and a persecuted minority, depending on the argument they're trying to make at the time. They also believe they should be a protected class while believing there should be no protected classes whenever the discussion turns to their misogynistic, homophobic and racist beliefs. Everytime they try to discuss free speech they attempt to twist the reality of the world they live in to such a degree they've ended as klein bottles filled with their own excrement.
It's also interesting how Koby and his ilk on the faux free speech squad on the right aren't irate about the right wing donors who've pulled their funding now the site is a liability. It's almost as though they're opportunists whose priority is to use everything as a means to force the internet right, even though amoral libertarians run all their favourite targets already.
Hate speech and hosting the organising I a terrorist attack are bad bad for a company's public image, AWS had more to gain by dumping Parler than keeping them, simple as that.
The right absolutely do not give a crap about free speech, whenever we've seen the right ruse to power, the free press is the first thing they crack down on until propaganda outlets are all that stand, and let's be honest here, those are all you're interested in defending. Trump attacked the media from the get go, his supporters attacked those they knew were journalists during the insurrection, while Infowars, The Blaze and others were left alone to take photos and video at the heart of the assault on democracy.
You don't give a crap about fairness, appealing to a sense of fairness is a technique for getting and keeping foot in the door to you. You won't say a thing when it's voices on the left being assaulted, getting death threats because figures on the right instigated it, you don't care about freedom of the press, all you care about is the right keeping their radicalization tools, keeping their access to a wider audience and having the right to say the n word and yelling fire in crowded theatres without fear of there being consequences.
I would be amazed if the Mercers are still footing the bill for Parler, it's no good as a radicalisation tool now people are paying attention. Steve Bannon and their other winged monkeys demonstrated with the way they weaponised the ragefilled gamergate incels of 4chan, it's a lot easier to get away with things if nobody takes you seriously, they just look the other way as your users become angrier and more cilent and their toxiticy escapes into the wider world.
Funny how 1984 is always a threat when the right have to suffer the consequences of not playing by the rules they agree to when they sign up to a service, not when the right are cancelling people for objecting to war, police brutality, showing even the slightest hint of supporting socialism, for wanting to reduce the absurdly bloated military budget, for taxing the rich, for treating muslims as people...
Ever ask yourself why nobody takes you seriously? Read that post back to yourself out loud, that's why. Serious people don't toss around terms like SJW.
The big tech platforms don't give a damn about who says what, they want to make money. If they host hate speech, they will make less money because advertisers and most of their userbase don't want to be associated with it. They don't care about the political leanings of anyone but their board members, Facebook has a Roger Stone associate who served in the Bush II admin overseeing their political content for ***ks sake, put in place and kept there against the will of the rest of their employees. He's actively sabotaging attempts at neutrality, damaging outlets like Mother Jones while promoting the likes of Dan Bongino and Ben Shapiro and preventing any moves to stop them gaming the system, hell, the site even put The Daily Caller in place as a fact checker... But in spite of everything Facebook hass done to the detriment of society over the past decade, all the propagandists, fr right conspiracy theorists they've promoted, all the targeted adverts that enabled the election of people who are unfit for office all over the world, they're just so goshdarn biased against the right because the right won't be happy until legitimate journalism is de-listed entirely and the N-words can fly free.
The right only care about free speech when it benefits them, they've shown they will silence dissenting voices every time they think they can get away with it, and the screeching victimhood is just a way for them to achieve that so they can get laws changed to make it harder for platforms to ban them for their rampant abuses of the terms of service they agree to when they sign up... Funny how the people who are most silenced are the ones who get to go all over the media telling that to the world.
Now watch as his actual response to criticism of the Trump ban is to find his own Joel Kaplan and crack down on left wing twitter in the name of balance.
Mention guillotines in a joking fashion when discussing billionaires ticking over into trillionaire status? Calling for violence! Gone! Tell Nazis to go eff themselves? Gone!
Don't kid yourself, they were already on there doing just that. Being booted from twitter, facebook and losing Parler makes it harder for them to radicalise and recruit people who haven't completely gone off the deep end.
It's the same culture that leaks like a sieve whenever there's a victim to be smeared. Off duty cop enters an innocent person's apartment and guns them down? 'They had weed! WEED!' Enter an innocent woman's home without warning and gun her down? 'Well, her Ex boyfriend was a bad guy, you see, so we need to keep harassing her even after the relationship ended, even if we need to falsify evidence to do so!'
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That's the right wing attitude to law and order and government in general there for you, folks. 'Don't criticise us, or we'll use machinery of power to punish you.'
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Nah. I remember the teaparty, i remember the birtherism, I remember the attacks on the left for not being patriotic for not supporting an illegal, immoral war, I remember Newt Gingrich's turning lies and smears into an art form, I remember the Clinton witchhunts, both Blll and Hillary, I remember welfare queens, I know the southern strategy, McCarthyism and the John Birch society were things whose influence in the GOP can be seen in the party today.
There was no takeover, no sudden shift when his name was put on the ticket. Trump is the final stage of a disease that the Republican party has had longer than I've been alive, the party shifted far enough to the right that his behaviour became acceptable, and they purged virtually everyone willing to compromise long before he even considered running for office.
They scraped off the thin veneer of bipartisanship and fiscal conservatism in the Obama era, now the mask is off entirely. These are your parents republicans without the dogwhistles, Trump proved they can get a large chunk of the vote by saying the quiet part loud.
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Republicans: Blue lives matter.
Also Republicans: We will not bail out blue states (using money the blue states pay in taxes) so they can meet their public sector obligations and pay for policing.
Republicans again: Donald Trump cannot be convicted of crimes he's openly committed and law enforcement officials are partisan, left wing scum for suggesting it even if they're registered republicans, we will threaten their lives and those of their families to show how we back the blue!
Republicans too: We support the right wing protesters who beat a cop to death unless we're pretending they're all Antifa today.
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Hey, I've been top two weeks running, I'm getting to be a regular Stephen T. Stone!
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Sorry, but that's bull.
She tried to use her seniority to silence other people and take away their free speech while painting herself as a victim on the way out the door. She tried to get her professors fired while at university, and at the NYT, she tried to use her position to take away the livelyhood of freelancers that dared to criticise her. She also used her platform to cheer on the cancellation of muslim members of congress, but yes, she was the true victim of cancel culture.
She was persona non grata because of her treatment of and attitude toward others. If someone tries to block your friends from getting work elsewhere because she decided to throw her weight around, you are under no obligation to pretend to like them.
She left because she thinks she can ride the wave of 'OMG, cancel culture is bad!' to get higher profile jobs in the right wing media.
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Jordan Peterson has not been silenced. Jordan Peterson has not been prosecuted or persecuted for saying what he says. Jordan Peterson has made a LOT of money painting himself as a free speech martyr, while trying to use his position as a right wing celebrity to attack his colleagues and purge classes that he disagrees with.
"Women's studies, and all the ethnic studies and racial studies groups, man, those things have to go and the faster they go the better," he said. "It would have been better if they had never been part of the university to begin with as far as I can tell." - Jordan Peterson
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.4396970/u-of-t-profs-al armed-by-jordan-peterson-s-plan-to-target-classes-he-calls-indoctrination-cults-1.4396974
Choose a better martyr for free speech because if you Judge Jordan Peterson by his actions, it sure looks like the right only want free speech to be a thing when it protects them.
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Re: Re: Depends on how you're defining 'conservative'
You know Bari Weiss quit because the NYT wouldn't censor her co -workers free speech and punish them for criticising her nonsense on social media, right? Why is her speech precious and that of her co-workers not?
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Re: Re: Depends on how you're defining 'conservative'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist
Remember when conservative AstroTurf group, Turning Point USA tried to set up a list of liberal professors for targeted harassment?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.4396970/u-of-t-profs -alarmed-by-jordan-peterson-s-plan-to-target-classes-he-calls-indoctrination-cults-1.4396974
Remembe r when Jordan Peterson planned to use his platform to attack left wing professors and subjects?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss
Remember how Bari Weiss built her entire career on trying to get professors she disagreed with fired by making false allegations against them?
Damn the left and their censorship and attempts to purge the ranks of academia... Oh wait.
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Let's go through this using techdirt stories
Parler was funded by a mystery benefactor as a 'free speech platform' and immediately begins banning left wing voices to make a right wing echo chamber where the right go to get angrier and angrier.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users -it-doesnt-like.shtml
The mystery donor turns out to be right wing heiress Rebekah Mercer, part of the dynasty that funded Cambridge Analytica, Breitbart and Steve Bannon while he was helping to radicalise people through Gamergate.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201116/01141545710/what-if-cambridge-analytica-owned-own-social -network-ca-backer-rebekah-mercer-admits-shes-co-founder-parler.shtml
They act like they'll be fiiine without section 230, they have the funding to survive after all, like so many other sites funded by republican megadonor largesse.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210114/14013746058/judge-not-impressed-parlers-attempt -to-force-amazon-to-put-it-back-online.shtml
Parler loses their hosting after ignoring Amazon's requests that they actually moderate, and you know that whole terrorist attack thing, and despite claiming the site was set up to be able to quickly move to another service, they are yet to do so, choosing instead that to try and sue their way back onto Amazon, a suit they have admitted they cannot afford. Whatever money they had backing them is gone and this is one last roll of the dice as they don't seem to have the finances, knowhow or the will to move elsewhere.
They'll fail, but the site will be brought up for the next four years every time the right want to screech about big tech censorship, that's pretty much all the value the site has now since the whole world now knows what they were doing.
Yes there's some guesswork, but it's not a huge leap like saying '2+2=5' or 'removing section 230 will be good for free speech or the internet'.
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They haven't jumped to another host as the funding has dried up because of the whole terrorist insurrection thing, and the people running it know it's more valuable as a martyr in the fight against section 230. They could regain everything tomorrow, but they'll never attract anyone close to being center right after what went down, making it useless as a radicalization tool, so a talking point on fox is the only thing it's good for now.
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Meanwhile in reality, the right have people in management positions at corporations like Facebook actively making it harder to see left wing content, while promoting grade A bullshit from people like Bongino and Shapiro. I don't know who you think is running things in Sillicon Valley, because it sure isn't the left making management decisions there.
Do you also believe there's a partnership between the left and the right wing megadonors who've pulled their support from the groups and websites responsible for the coup, which is the real reason Parler can't find hosting elsewhere? Or is it only the companies you're hoping you'll be able to scream about for four years then force to provide services and a platform to domestic terrorists, racists, homophobes, misogynists, antisemites, Qanoners and other right wing garbage next time America loses it's mind and votes a republican into the Whitehouse?
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Isn't it fascinating the way conservatives are both the silent majority and a persecuted minority, depending on the argument they're trying to make at the time. They also believe they should be a protected class while believing there should be no protected classes whenever the discussion turns to their misogynistic, homophobic and racist beliefs. Everytime they try to discuss free speech they attempt to twist the reality of the world they live in to such a degree they've ended as klein bottles filled with their own excrement.
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It's also interesting how Koby and his ilk on the faux free speech squad on the right aren't irate about the right wing donors who've pulled their funding now the site is a liability. It's almost as though they're opportunists whose priority is to use everything as a means to force the internet right, even though amoral libertarians run all their favourite targets already.
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Hate speech and hosting the organising I a terrorist attack are bad bad for a company's public image, AWS had more to gain by dumping Parler than keeping them, simple as that.
The right absolutely do not give a crap about free speech, whenever we've seen the right ruse to power, the free press is the first thing they crack down on until propaganda outlets are all that stand, and let's be honest here, those are all you're interested in defending. Trump attacked the media from the get go, his supporters attacked those they knew were journalists during the insurrection, while Infowars, The Blaze and others were left alone to take photos and video at the heart of the assault on democracy.
You don't give a crap about fairness, appealing to a sense of fairness is a technique for getting and keeping foot in the door to you. You won't say a thing when it's voices on the left being assaulted, getting death threats because figures on the right instigated it, you don't care about freedom of the press, all you care about is the right keeping their radicalization tools, keeping their access to a wider audience and having the right to say the n word and yelling fire in crowded theatres without fear of there being consequences.
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I would be amazed if the Mercers are still footing the bill for Parler, it's no good as a radicalisation tool now people are paying attention. Steve Bannon and their other winged monkeys demonstrated with the way they weaponised the ragefilled gamergate incels of 4chan, it's a lot easier to get away with things if nobody takes you seriously, they just look the other way as your users become angrier and more cilent and their toxiticy escapes into the wider world.
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Funny how 1984 is always a threat when the right have to suffer the consequences of not playing by the rules they agree to when they sign up to a service, not when the right are cancelling people for objecting to war, police brutality, showing even the slightest hint of supporting socialism, for wanting to reduce the absurdly bloated military budget, for taxing the rich, for treating muslims as people...
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Re: Freedom is Feared
Ever ask yourself why nobody takes you seriously? Read that post back to yourself out loud, that's why. Serious people don't toss around terms like SJW.
The big tech platforms don't give a damn about who says what, they want to make money. If they host hate speech, they will make less money because advertisers and most of their userbase don't want to be associated with it. They don't care about the political leanings of anyone but their board members, Facebook has a Roger Stone associate who served in the Bush II admin overseeing their political content for ***ks sake, put in place and kept there against the will of the rest of their employees. He's actively sabotaging attempts at neutrality, damaging outlets like Mother Jones while promoting the likes of Dan Bongino and Ben Shapiro and preventing any moves to stop them gaming the system, hell, the site even put The Daily Caller in place as a fact checker... But in spite of everything Facebook hass done to the detriment of society over the past decade, all the propagandists, fr right conspiracy theorists they've promoted, all the targeted adverts that enabled the election of people who are unfit for office all over the world, they're just so goshdarn biased against the right because the right won't be happy until legitimate journalism is de-listed entirely and the N-words can fly free.
The right only care about free speech when it benefits them, they've shown they will silence dissenting voices every time they think they can get away with it, and the screeching victimhood is just a way for them to achieve that so they can get laws changed to make it harder for platforms to ban them for their rampant abuses of the terms of service they agree to when they sign up... Funny how the people who are most silenced are the ones who get to go all over the media telling that to the world.
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Now watch as his actual response to criticism of the Trump ban is to find his own Joel Kaplan and crack down on left wing twitter in the name of balance.
Mention guillotines in a joking fashion when discussing billionaires ticking over into trillionaire status? Calling for violence! Gone! Tell Nazis to go eff themselves? Gone!
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Don't kid yourself, they were already on there doing just that. Being booted from twitter, facebook and losing Parler makes it harder for them to radicalise and recruit people who haven't completely gone off the deep end.
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It's the same culture that leaks like a sieve whenever there's a victim to be smeared. Off duty cop enters an innocent person's apartment and guns them down? 'They had weed! WEED!' Enter an innocent woman's home without warning and gun her down? 'Well, her Ex boyfriend was a bad guy, you see, so we need to keep harassing her even after the relationship ended, even if we need to falsify evidence to do so!'
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