What state do you live in, AJ? We have those in Oklahoma at least once a year (generally around New Year's), and I hear about them in Texas more frequently than that.
Checkpoints do not work that way, nor could they.
Really? You're saying that it's physically impossible for this to happen??? Seriously?
I think you're buying the 4th Amendment FUD hook, line, and sinker.
I think you've gone the opposite direction, AJ. Roadblock searches happen frequently and have been challenged frequently, with judgments going in both directions.
But, hey, it's America. You're welcome to disbelieve in these searches, along with the existence of puppies and Germany, if that's what you want.
Okay, first, I didn't say that she wasn't a feminist. She may be a feminist. I don't know and am not qualified to judge her in that capacity. What I said was that her feminist views (if she has any) have nothing to do with her actions, just as her ice cream flavor preferences have nothing to do with it.
Next, I understand the No True Scotsman fallacy, but I don't believe that it applies here. For instance, this woman is calling herself a rape victim. Pointing out that she's not a rape victim, and that calling her one is offensive to actual rape victims is not fallacious.
So, to conclude, this woman's actions were not feminist in nature. Pointing out that this was not a feminist action and that calling her a feminist in regards to this action is offensive is not fallacious (or misandrist, for that matter).
If you are behaving badly in the town square and someone makes a film of you and puts it on YouTube what should your expectation of recourse be?
None. You have no expectation of privacy in a public area, except with regards to your person or vehicle. As an example, anyone can record you, but no one can force you to turn out your pockets without a warrant.
The with respect to privacy internet is no different than the town square, so what you apply to one should be applied to the other.
No, the Internet is much more like a telephone line than a town square, and your telephone communications are private.
So if I am carrying a briefcase of secret documents through the town square and someone mugs me and takes and publicly posts the secret documents, that is a whole different thing.
A 'whole different thing' than what?
They should probably try and draw parallels between the real and "virtual" worlds when applying/revamping the Fourth
Or not, because the Fourth doesn't need revamping.
Laws regarding our privacy from the government need to be revamped, because of the Fourth Amendment, which is sort of the opposite of what you said.
Sure, it's become acceptable to people... from trusted sources.
And let's face it, the people who would click on shortened links from untrusted sources would also click on longer and/or obfuscated links, so what does it matter?
I dunno, she doesn't seem like your average feminist, from what I've read from various sources. There are extremists for every idea.
Exactly my point. Mentioning her self-proclaimed feminism in regards to her actions is like mentioning McVeigh's citizenship in regards to his actions. While initially surprising, it's clear that they have nothing to do with their actions, making it as irrelevant to the issue as gender, race, or ice cream flavor preference would be.
But I think you're misinterpreting Chris' statement as an attack on feminism in general.
That's certainly what it seemed like. Are you interpreting it differently? I mean, if he was aiming it at one person, specifically, why would he use a term that encompasses an entire group of people? Instead of, you know, her name.
I think he was talking about the fact that the accuser has a known viewpoint which should be taken into account.
I'd certainly say that publishing instructions on how to get legal revenge on men should be taken into account, but feminism... is really the opposite of that.
It's an ugly fact, but I have known a few militant-feminists who would have like to see parts of my anatomy in a vice because I opened a door for them.
It's an ugly fact, but the FBI has an entire list of Americans that would love to blow up other Americans. When it happens, like with McVeigh and Nichols, we don't blame it on all Americans, do we? Nope.
So if this woman is of the type who would pursue extreme measures in seeking 'justice' against an offending man, that has to be looked at.
Absolutely it does, but you've failed to link extreme revenge measures to feminism.
But to ignore that possibility because it's offensive to feminists or chauvinistic is not equality, it's pandering that borders on misandry.
How so? Feminism doesn't advocate false testimony. Feminists everywhere are angry about this woman's actions. Actual feminists understand the huge harm that false accusations do to the victims of their false accusations and victims of actual assault. I mean, it's one of the biggest problems in getting the idea of a rape culture over to the general populace, and she engaged in it. To blame her actions on her self-appointed feminism is offense and chauvinistic.
And misandry has nothing to do with this. I didn't challenge his statement because he's got a penis. (If he does. Chris is a fairly ambiguous name, and this is the Internet. :P) I challenged it because it was wrong, just as I would have if it had come from 'Christine'.
Not newfound knowledge. I've been following this fairly closely.
...unless you didn't actually mean to imply with your post that I think that every woman that comes forward with rape allegations is an automatic example of feminism-run-amok...
That's not what I implied. I implied that her feminist views didn't matter, by repeatedly highlighting their mention to show how silly it seems.
I would appreciate an apology.
So would I, but I'm reasonably sure that you're not going to apologize to myself or any other feminist for acting as though our views had something to do with a false rape allegation. I think your privilege is blocking your view of how incredibly offensive that is.
You can't imagine how an ultra-feminist viewpoint might possibly play into an alleged case of rape-by-being-condom-less?
No, I can't. I can imagine someone who calls them self a feminist seeking legal revenge, but it's like Glenn Beck calling himself a doctor, with a self-granted doctorate from his unaccredited university. He can say it all he wants, but no one should take it seriously.
Really? Completely unrelated? Not even remotely in the realm of possibility?
Again, really unrelated, unless you can tell me what a belief in equal rights has to do with rape?
Great idea! But let's continue this where it leads:
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What state do you live in, AJ? We have those in Oklahoma at least once a year (generally around New Year's), and I hear about them in Texas more frequently than that.
Checkpoints do not work that way, nor could they.
Really? You're saying that it's physically impossible for this to happen??? Seriously?
I think you're buying the 4th Amendment FUD hook, line, and sinker.
I think you've gone the opposite direction, AJ. Roadblock searches happen frequently and have been challenged frequently, with judgments going in both directions.
But, hey, it's America. You're welcome to disbelieve in these searches, along with the existence of puppies and Germany, if that's what you want.
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Next, I understand the No True Scotsman fallacy, but I don't believe that it applies here. For instance, this woman is calling herself a rape victim. Pointing out that she's not a rape victim, and that calling her one is offensive to actual rape victims is not fallacious.
So, to conclude, this woman's actions were not feminist in nature. Pointing out that this was not a feminist action and that calling her a feminist in regards to this action is offensive is not fallacious (or misandrist, for that matter).
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None. You have no expectation of privacy in a public area, except with regards to your person or vehicle. As an example, anyone can record you, but no one can force you to turn out your pockets without a warrant.
The with respect to privacy internet is no different than the town square, so what you apply to one should be applied to the other.
No, the Internet is much more like a telephone line than a town square, and your telephone communications are private.
So if I am carrying a briefcase of secret documents through the town square and someone mugs me and takes and publicly posts the secret documents, that is a whole different thing.
A 'whole different thing' than what?
They should probably try and draw parallels between the real and "virtual" worlds when applying/revamping the Fourth
Or not, because the Fourth doesn't need revamping.
Laws regarding our privacy from the government need to be revamped, because of the Fourth Amendment, which is sort of the opposite of what you said.
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And let's face it, the people who would click on shortened links from untrusted sources would also click on longer and/or obfuscated links, so what does it matter?
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Wow, he's really gotten alot done. I'm impressed.
Man, I thought that the actual framers of the Constitution did some of those things, but hey, of course I'll believe you, random Internet guy. :)
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This. OMG, this.
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Exactly my point. Mentioning her self-proclaimed feminism in regards to her actions is like mentioning McVeigh's citizenship in regards to his actions. While initially surprising, it's clear that they have nothing to do with their actions, making it as irrelevant to the issue as gender, race, or ice cream flavor preference would be.
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That's certainly what it seemed like. Are you interpreting it differently? I mean, if he was aiming it at one person, specifically, why would he use a term that encompasses an entire group of people? Instead of, you know, her name.
I think he was talking about the fact that the accuser has a known viewpoint which should be taken into account.
I'd certainly say that publishing instructions on how to get legal revenge on men should be taken into account, but feminism... is really the opposite of that.
It's an ugly fact, but I have known a few militant-feminists who would have like to see parts of my anatomy in a vice because I opened a door for them.
It's an ugly fact, but the FBI has an entire list of Americans that would love to blow up other Americans. When it happens, like with McVeigh and Nichols, we don't blame it on all Americans, do we? Nope.
So if this woman is of the type who would pursue extreme measures in seeking 'justice' against an offending man, that has to be looked at.
Absolutely it does, but you've failed to link extreme revenge measures to feminism.
But to ignore that possibility because it's offensive to feminists or chauvinistic is not equality, it's pandering that borders on misandry.
How so? Feminism doesn't advocate false testimony. Feminists everywhere are angry about this woman's actions. Actual feminists understand the huge harm that false accusations do to the victims of their false accusations and victims of actual assault. I mean, it's one of the biggest problems in getting the idea of a rape culture over to the general populace, and she engaged in it. To blame her actions on her self-appointed feminism is offense and chauvinistic.
And misandry has nothing to do with this. I didn't challenge his statement because he's got a penis. (If he does. Chris is a fairly ambiguous name, and this is the Internet. :P) I challenged it because it was wrong, just as I would have if it had come from 'Christine'.
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Not newfound knowledge. I've been following this fairly closely.
...unless you didn't actually mean to imply with your post that I think that every woman that comes forward with rape allegations is an automatic example of feminism-run-amok...
That's not what I implied. I implied that her feminist views didn't matter, by repeatedly highlighting their mention to show how silly it seems.
I would appreciate an apology.
So would I, but I'm reasonably sure that you're not going to apologize to myself or any other feminist for acting as though our views had something to do with a false rape allegation. I think your privilege is blocking your view of how incredibly offensive that is.
You can't imagine how an ultra-feminist viewpoint might possibly play into an alleged case of rape-by-being-condom-less?
No, I can't. I can imagine someone who calls them self a feminist seeking legal revenge, but it's like Glenn Beck calling himself a doctor, with a self-granted doctorate from his unaccredited university. He can say it all he wants, but no one should take it seriously.
Really? Completely unrelated? Not even remotely in the realm of possibility?
Again, really unrelated, unless you can tell me what a belief in equal rights has to do with rape?
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People watch the news on TV? I mean... People not eligible for the senior discount at Denney's?
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Great idea!
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