Google + Facebook + Microsoft + Cisco + AT&T + Verizon + Visa + Comcast + GCHQ + (...) = NSA == The United States Government and all the glory of arms and means at its disposal
While you seem to have a point it is but one point on a twenty-seven point scale. The NSA makes that scale and scales it accordingly.
Covert manipulation of communications security is not to be equated with you willingly using Facebook. To do so is equivalent to being stuck at a level of reading no more difficult than "See Jane run."
Much like my own statement yours is rather over simplified as well. Egregiously so.
The parking lot attendant knows when you arrived and when you departed. The state, under present circumstances, knows where you came from, your freight, your passengers, how much petrol you have, the mileage on your car, the date of your last oil change, the currently tuned radio station etc. and so on. The security state perceives itself as having "rights" to everything about you, your car and your passengers solely because the parking lot attendant logs your presence in his lot.
A security apparatus that has given itself the de facto rights to your methods, means and actions is a security apparatus that is aggressively seeking incursion. What is incursion today and what will it be tomorrow and when we know that tomorrow is today how far back can that apparatus go to determine the level of these now official incursions? What is "actionable" intelligence through the eyes of a security apparatus? Never mind how it got the intelligence to begin with.
Collections and the effective cataloging of everything collected: Why does the security state have this right? Is this not stalking, manipulation and supremacy? Is this not a level of access deemed inappropriate for individuals to collect about other individuals? Collating the facts of your life and having those facts cataloged for search and inquiry in no way seems to be a reasonable condition of existence.
As applied to what I interpret as the intent of the 4th Amendment your position effectively nullifies it as you seem to hold that a security and police apparatus of the state is under no constraint, no constraints at all. Not only is this position abhorrent but it defeats, in whole, "to be secure". Your government is determining for you how secure you can be *from them*, which, as you're aware, overt attempts at securing your communications results in targeting.
I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your position yet "in my mind only" you are your beliefs are the enemy and are, effectively, as dangerous as any jihadist could possibly be.
There are many laws that I scoff at and I would see it appropriate to hold your particular interpretations as unworthy as it pertains to the summation of the rule of law. This is not supposed to be a security state and yet you would have it be so and would go so far as to interpret privacy and security as only achievable if you are asleep, in the dark with your shades drawn. In short, your position disgusts me because I smell fear.
Ah. Yes. Problematic. Public disclosures can be that. I wonder just how many lives and limbs were lost as a direct result of non-disclosures? Things like secret acts of government that impinge on the rights of others, from individuals to sovereign nations. That's what we're talking about, I think. Filtering must occur and I, for one, much prefer the press filter it than government. Hands down at that, every time. Otherwise, I don't disagree as regards the order of battle.
I looked at what he said in his post and looked at yours and I'm trying to understand what you're trying to say. I definitely didn't see any reference to what Manning or Snowden did and well, what does what he said have to do with what you said?
Metadata is data that can be cataloged into a portfolio for and about anyone. National security does not supersede the premise and text of the Constitution. Those would be two wholly different countries. National security, like most things, comes down to people. Else, why would we have the capabilities to destroy the planet and not have done so by now?
People are guilty of subverting their offices, the law, the foundations of country: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Piecing together metadata, content, locations, communications etc. is not national security, rather, it is an egregious overreach and an enormous power to have over even a single individual and yet it encompasses us all. Hence, reserving judgement is your personal prerogative and good luck with that however discerning between "searches and seizures" and "collections and cataloging" is a very real problem. If your position is one that steadfastly believes that they are different thus taking the position that "a general state of privacy in your personal activities" is of little or no value as it pertains the the text and the effects of liberty and freedom then I must clarify now that I am in direct opposition to that belief.
Nobody has the right nor the necessity to query a position on my life, history of my life or potential future actions within my life without just cause and a warrant. It's absolutely fantastic farfetched to me that there are people, clearly, that think and act otherwise.
America is under attack from within under the guise of attempting absolute protection. (from cyber death packets no less)
Attempts at redirection to those that bring us the information shows us that your concerns are your own and are such ill suited to debating the present state of the nation.
Collections are searches. Communications are effects. To which the government has no just cause due to the fact that freedom and liberty are in direct opposition to the actions of the national security apparatus. Good day.
Yes, just like a gangster protection racket. Studios tow the line and they don't get whacked. Hm, a bit like Intel/DOJ keeps Facebook and friends in line and AT&T is one of the thugs that will do anything for the boss. I wonder why that is?
A blanket ban on domestic surveillance. That looks suspiciously like a very good direction for directing our combined efforts.
It might be wasted type but you're aware that prior to the NSA being directed to subvert the order that the order was no domestic surveillance, correct?
What's different now? I mean what's really different?
This is indicative of the direction of authority - to assert it everywhere. Schools in America grow toxic to the minds and hearts of children blessed with the inherent understanding of individualism.
Fuck the terrorists! How about a nice gift to the public where you, intelligence and knowledgeable associated leaderships, stop fucking thinking that you're god's gift to safety and start behaving like the agencies that you are - agencies that serve at OUR behest.
How about some fucking probable cause for gathering everything and anything that you can no matter what nor who it is that you think you're looking for... because fuck you. This is not YOUR world to pillage as you please.
Revoke the PATRIOT act, revoke immunity and any other piece of shit legislation anywhere that puts you in charge of me. Once again, if there be law you deem yourself above then there is no law, only weapons. And if there is justice you will be held to account and if there is not then I can foresee a future filled with rebels and tyrants.
Nice attempt at a rewrite. The NSA should stop interpreting law in a box. They have the means to determine and better protect American communications. They chose not to respect their abilities and instead to beef up the muscle in acquisitions and access. Then they toss and receive information over the walls of nations to and from their friends.
They believe that all of the communications that comprise all the voices of all of the people are, at the end, theirs alone to do with as they please. That is not a dignified human existence. That is not a mission, done in the name of this country, that people should be standing behind.
"With liberty and justice for all - the liberties we allow and the justice we deliver. Don't let us fucking see you doing things we don't like.. and that whenever we decide not to like it."
I'll tell you what, between the UK and the US and CA and AU and NZ, God save the queen, there is a streak of fucking utter madness that seems to prevail when protectors and enforcers get to decide anything and everyone lets them. And in secret no less. It's not a recipe for disaster, it's a poison pill. Do you really want to swallow that?
Wait, I see what flag you're waving because you're swinging it so high but what I don't see is why you could possibly be so upset with Socialist Lefty Media (SLM) when they are merely a product of their design. The prior president was not popular and this one is. Gosh, it's almost as if their bread is buttered for them or something.
Those that need to be called out are the "people" that continue to vote themselves into a different country than the one that they started in. In other words you, me, them, those guys and those other guys need to drive the message. It's pretty clear that SLM is, mostly, just another for profit industry telling as many as they can just exactly what they'd care to hear.
What I'm saying is that I'm quite awake and, generally speaking, don't give a fuck who is covering for who in SLM world because I do not subscribe. Yeah, I know, but but but... But money. Media doesn't give a fuck, they just want to get paid. You're supposed to give a fuck, which clearly you do, so your efforts and disgust with SLM should be directed at your representatives (and everyone else's for that matter).
What I'm delusional about is believing that idiot liberals and idiot conservatives can rise above the containers they've willingly put themselves into (even if it's just jack-in-the-box style for a breath of fresh air once in a while) and paint things a nice shade of grey once in a while.
You seem to have this strange notion that SLM is accountable in some way for the activities and actions of government when they're simply another messenger catering to the sleepy. It's OUR job to hold government accountable. It seems you'd rather lash out at easy (yes, way too easy) targets. So, while I agree with you on the basic premise I do not agree with the focus and culpability of MediaCorp because, to me, they're simply another well financed corporate leech beholden to nothing apart from their carrier contracts. You buy cable and they get paid, it's pretty simple.
Yes, the executive branch is completely rogue, imho. (DHS, DOJ, DOD, FBI, CIA, DEA, CBP - all armed and extremely dangerous. There are no more "good guys" when you have this many secrets and twist that many laws and criminalize so many things.)
"Lefty Media" makes absolutely no real sense though. It's corporate media.
If you're still thinking in terms of left, right, conservative or liberal through all of this then you're a fool for being distracted by it. Congress thrives on corporate media - it breeds a decision making process based on a malaise of public awareness fostered by MediaCorp.
I, on occasion, sit down and watch the news while keeping an old man company or can hear the news at his required volume of TOO DAMN LOUD, from two cities over, and I honestly can not believe just how little they report on anything of substance with zero challenges, zero questions and zero coverage. Not even a bone of an update. It is a fucking joke, a disgusting, sick and twisted fucking joke. Game, set, match.
Yeah, you'd think that they were in it to serve and protect us all wouldn't you? They're in it to stuff your out-of-line ass in jail and, as it now seems, to take over the world starting right here at home. Control, it is all about control, manipulation and harvesting.
Constrict, restrict, observe, apprehend, incarcerate. They've made it easier than shooting frogs in a barrel and then they just keep refilling the barrel.
So, when the dictionary, the real one, conflicts with the urban dictionary, the sort of real one, which one wins?
+1 - made me look a word up for something besides spelling today and realized you couldn't possibly mean one thing and so I kept looking. That and I would have thought that cromulents are what Romulans call their uglier little children but that was definitely not fit usage.
Clearly you are an unfit mother and you should get a subscription to the newspaper.
2. Don't Threaten or Abuse: Blah - pics or it didn't happen
3. Be Truthful: OK
4. Be Nice: What for? (yes, that's punny)
5. Be Proactive: Yes, please, by all means, report abuse and feel free to ask the parent poster why they're being fucking pricks as well.
6. Share With Us: Yes, share with us! Selfies are preferred, especially if you're the aspiring model type, video is a treat if you're on google fiber and good old email if you're sharing with the NSA. Share! Share like you're Chris Powell! (but expect a few "Yeah, whatever, dickhead." feedbacks.
The part where people get health care that didn't have it?
By leveling I meant fuckall markets, everybody gets some. Citizen -> health care.
That's what I meant by a social leveling. And we can start by idiot proofing the electorate and neutering politics for profit.
I carried a bill for an ambulance ride from my teens into my mid 20's. That was just the ride part and walking was not an option.
So.. yeah, step the fuck up and buy some health care. Someone you love, apart from board members and insurance execs, might end up actually profiting.
Everything that has been shut down is responsible for, in some way shape or form, directly informing the public in either process, procedure or just plain information awareness (and entertainment). What has not been shutdown is, essentially, everything that is responsible for enforcing law, order and the pursuit of total information awareness.
In other words, it's a show and the front-row casualties of that show? Well that would be the public and public employees that, perhaps unlike elected representatives, actually need and value their paychecks.
It would be a pretty good show if it weren't for the fact that it's a pretty bad show.
The only solace in all of this is that those that find themselves in need of accessible health coverage will soon be able to acquire said coverage. It has always been interesting to me how those that are covered get to dictate to those that aren't. Where there is money to be made ...
The health care playing field is still in need of more social leveling regardless.
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While you seem to have a point it is but one point on a twenty-seven point scale. The NSA makes that scale and scales it accordingly.
Covert manipulation of communications security is not to be equated with you willingly using Facebook. To do so is equivalent to being stuck at a level of reading no more difficult than "See Jane run."
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No actually !!
The parking lot attendant knows when you arrived and when you departed. The state, under present circumstances, knows where you came from, your freight, your passengers, how much petrol you have, the mileage on your car, the date of your last oil change, the currently tuned radio station etc. and so on. The security state perceives itself as having "rights" to everything about you, your car and your passengers solely because the parking lot attendant logs your presence in his lot.
A security apparatus that has given itself the de facto rights to your methods, means and actions is a security apparatus that is aggressively seeking incursion. What is incursion today and what will it be tomorrow and when we know that tomorrow is today how far back can that apparatus go to determine the level of these now official incursions? What is "actionable" intelligence through the eyes of a security apparatus? Never mind how it got the intelligence to begin with.
Collections and the effective cataloging of everything collected: Why does the security state have this right? Is this not stalking, manipulation and supremacy? Is this not a level of access deemed inappropriate for individuals to collect about other individuals? Collating the facts of your life and having those facts cataloged for search and inquiry in no way seems to be a reasonable condition of existence.
As applied to what I interpret as the intent of the 4th Amendment your position effectively nullifies it as you seem to hold that a security and police apparatus of the state is under no constraint, no constraints at all. Not only is this position abhorrent but it defeats, in whole, "to be secure". Your government is determining for you how secure you can be *from them*, which, as you're aware, overt attempts at securing your communications results in targeting.
I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your position yet "in my mind only" you are your beliefs are the enemy and are, effectively, as dangerous as any jihadist could possibly be.
There are many laws that I scoff at and I would see it appropriate to hold your particular interpretations as unworthy as it pertains to the summation of the rule of law. This is not supposed to be a security state and yet you would have it be so and would go so far as to interpret privacy and security as only achievable if you are asleep, in the dark with your shades drawn. In short, your position disgusts me because I smell fear.
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Re: Re: Re: No actually !!
Metadata is data that can be cataloged into a portfolio for and about anyone. National security does not supersede the premise and text of the Constitution. Those would be two wholly different countries. National security, like most things, comes down to people. Else, why would we have the capabilities to destroy the planet and not have done so by now?
People are guilty of subverting their offices, the law, the foundations of country: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Piecing together metadata, content, locations, communications etc. is not national security, rather, it is an egregious overreach and an enormous power to have over even a single individual and yet it encompasses us all. Hence, reserving judgement is your personal prerogative and good luck with that however discerning between "searches and seizures" and "collections and cataloging" is a very real problem. If your position is one that steadfastly believes that they are different thus taking the position that "a general state of privacy in your personal activities" is of little or no value as it pertains the the text and the effects of liberty and freedom then I must clarify now that I am in direct opposition to that belief.
Nobody has the right nor the necessity to query a position on my life, history of my life or potential future actions within my life without just cause and a warrant. It's absolutely fantastic farfetched to me that there are people, clearly, that think and act otherwise.
America is under attack from within under the guise of attempting absolute protection. (from cyber death packets no less)
Attempts at redirection to those that bring us the information shows us that your concerns are your own and are such ill suited to debating the present state of the nation.
Collections are searches. Communications are effects. To which the government has no just cause due to the fact that freedom and liberty are in direct opposition to the actions of the national security apparatus. Good day.
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Re: Information Wants to Be Free
It might be wasted type but you're aware that prior to the NSA being directed to subvert the order that the order was no domestic surveillance, correct?
What's different now? I mean what's really different?
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This is indicative of the direction of authority - to assert it everywhere. Schools in America grow toxic to the minds and hearts of children blessed with the inherent understanding of individualism.
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Terrorsts!
How about some fucking probable cause for gathering everything and anything that you can no matter what nor who it is that you think you're looking for... because fuck you. This is not YOUR world to pillage as you please.
Revoke the PATRIOT act, revoke immunity and any other piece of shit legislation anywhere that puts you in charge of me. Once again, if there be law you deem yourself above then there is no law, only weapons. And if there is justice you will be held to account and if there is not then I can foresee a future filled with rebels and tyrants.
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Re: Re: Re: "This is hardly a surprise,"
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They simply can't stand that anyone (ANYONE) can communicate and they do not have the ability to decipher what they're saying.
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They believe that all of the communications that comprise all the voices of all of the people are, at the end, theirs alone to do with as they please. That is not a dignified human existence. That is not a mission, done in the name of this country, that people should be standing behind.
"With liberty and justice for all - the liberties we allow and the justice we deliver. Don't let us fucking see you doing things we don't like.. and that whenever we decide not to like it."
I'll tell you what, between the UK and the US and CA and AU and NZ, God save the queen, there is a streak of fucking utter madness that seems to prevail when protectors and enforcers get to decide anything and everyone lets them. And in secret no less. It's not a recipe for disaster, it's a poison pill. Do you really want to swallow that?
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Re: Re: Re: "Nope and Estrange"
Those that need to be called out are the "people" that continue to vote themselves into a different country than the one that they started in. In other words you, me, them, those guys and those other guys need to drive the message. It's pretty clear that SLM is, mostly, just another for profit industry telling as many as they can just exactly what they'd care to hear.
What I'm saying is that I'm quite awake and, generally speaking, don't give a fuck who is covering for who in SLM world because I do not subscribe. Yeah, I know, but but but... But money. Media doesn't give a fuck, they just want to get paid. You're supposed to give a fuck, which clearly you do, so your efforts and disgust with SLM should be directed at your representatives (and everyone else's for that matter).
What I'm delusional about is believing that idiot liberals and idiot conservatives can rise above the containers they've willingly put themselves into (even if it's just jack-in-the-box style for a breath of fresh air once in a while) and paint things a nice shade of grey once in a while.
You seem to have this strange notion that SLM is accountable in some way for the activities and actions of government when they're simply another messenger catering to the sleepy. It's OUR job to hold government accountable. It seems you'd rather lash out at easy (yes, way too easy) targets. So, while I agree with you on the basic premise I do not agree with the focus and culpability of MediaCorp because, to me, they're simply another well financed corporate leech beholden to nothing apart from their carrier contracts. You buy cable and they get paid, it's pretty simple.
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Re: "Nope and Estrange"
"Lefty Media" makes absolutely no real sense though. It's corporate media.
If you're still thinking in terms of left, right, conservative or liberal through all of this then you're a fool for being distracted by it. Congress thrives on corporate media - it breeds a decision making process based on a malaise of public awareness fostered by MediaCorp.
I, on occasion, sit down and watch the news while keeping an old man company or can hear the news at his required volume of TOO DAMN LOUD, from two cities over, and I honestly can not believe just how little they report on anything of substance with zero challenges, zero questions and zero coverage. Not even a bone of an update. It is a fucking joke, a disgusting, sick and twisted fucking joke. Game, set, match.
Yeah, you'd think that they were in it to serve and protect us all wouldn't you? They're in it to stuff your out-of-line ass in jail and, as it now seems, to take over the world starting right here at home. Control, it is all about control, manipulation and harvesting.
Constrict, restrict, observe, apprehend, incarcerate. They've made it easier than shooting frogs in a barrel and then they just keep refilling the barrel.
Terrorism defined.
I don't feel safe, I feel played.
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So, when the dictionary, the real one, conflicts with the urban dictionary, the sort of real one, which one wins?
+1 - made me look a word up for something besides spelling today and realized you couldn't possibly mean one thing and so I kept looking. That and I would have thought that cromulents are what Romulans call their uglier little children but that was definitely not fit usage.
Clearly you are an unfit mother and you should get a subscription to the newspaper.
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Rules of Conduct
2. Don't Threaten or Abuse: Blah - pics or it didn't happen
3. Be Truthful: OK
4. Be Nice: What for? (yes, that's punny)
5. Be Proactive: Yes, please, by all means, report abuse and feel free to ask the parent poster why they're being fucking pricks as well.
6. Share With Us: Yes, share with us! Selfies are preferred, especially if you're the aspiring model type, video is a treat if you're on google fiber and good old email if you're sharing with the NSA. Share! Share like you're Chris Powell! (but expect a few "Yeah, whatever, dickhead." feedbacks.
Submit or quit!
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Re: Billions short, cuts no ice, two TV shows, and certain death.
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By leveling I meant fuckall markets, everybody gets some. Citizen -> health care.
That's what I meant by a social leveling. And we can start by idiot proofing the electorate and neutering politics for profit.
I carried a bill for an ambulance ride from my teens into my mid 20's. That was just the ride part and walking was not an option.
So.. yeah, step the fuck up and buy some health care. Someone you love, apart from board members and insurance execs, might end up actually profiting.
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Everything that has been shut down is responsible for, in some way shape or form, directly informing the public in either process, procedure or just plain information awareness (and entertainment). What has not been shutdown is, essentially, everything that is responsible for enforcing law, order and the pursuit of total information awareness.
In other words, it's a show and the front-row casualties of that show? Well that would be the public and public employees that, perhaps unlike elected representatives, actually need and value their paychecks.
It would be a pretty good show if it weren't for the fact that it's a pretty bad show.
The only solace in all of this is that those that find themselves in need of accessible health coverage will soon be able to acquire said coverage. It has always been interesting to me how those that are covered get to dictate to those that aren't. Where there is money to be made ...
The health care playing field is still in need of more social leveling regardless.
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It's been hacked to justify watch lists.
It's been hacked to justify itself.
It's been hacked to (re)justify drug and tax issues.
It's been hacked through and through by a process that is far from democratic.
National Security has hacked the nation.
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The election is over, the bill is law and the court has ruled.
There's a hell of a lot of other things I'd like to see funding ripped out of, taht's for sure.
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