Every analogy includes a part which is supposed to be equal to the item being discussed ("analogous") and a part which is different, which is what helps the recipient understand the original discussion.
In this particular case, the analogy is entirely false. 1. "Black people" is not a profession, has no sworn oath to e.g. uphold the law, and is not accountable as a protectorate of society. 2. There are in fact gang-bangers, and a subset of those are some of "Black people" but by only discussing that subset you ignore the non-"Black people" gangbangers and the lack of supposed duty to stop those people from gangbanging. 3. Innocent people (that would be everyone who has not been convicted by a court of committing a criminal offense) have societal duties, but are not REQUIRED nor are UNDER OATH nor are OBLIGATED to interfere in a criminal event, stop a criminal event, risk their lives to do either, or even report on said event.
So, thanks for the racist bullpuckey, but your analogy is false, non-analogous, ignores duties that law enforcement have voluntarily taken on themselves, and is spiteful to a particular minority.
...and that's the reason TechDirt does have editors, and they review articles prior to publication. I'm sure they make tough decisions, unlike your publishing your manifesto above, because I've seen the articles get written and rewritten and polished prior to final release. (That's what I get for me $50 contribution!)
Still, thank you for all those sentences starting with "I". Everyone wants to know what you're all about and it's easier when you just provide an epic tome full of it.
Next time you feel like lecturing to a bunch of people you don't know about how you think an online publication should mollycoddle you, and what your opinions are, go to WashPo and check out any article with 1000-10000 posts... and read those first. Then you'll appreciate that TechDirt is NOT WashPo or NYT or CNN or FN or anything like that.
Sometimes it's best to enjoy what you have instead of trying to make it into that other thing you no longer like.
I see that someone elevated my comment to first word status. I didn't do it.
Still, it doesn't really matter, does it -- someone posts first on every comment thread, and eventually someone posts last.
> ...allows people to influence the direction of debate... Primacy vs recency. I guess you're the "Squirrel!" type. Some people read more than just one thing before forming opinions or opining themselves.
> Techdirt was never the site you believed... You have no idea what I believed, what I believe now, nor anything about me or any other visitor, reader, or sponsor of TechDirt.
> In short, you're at the wrong site... No, Sir, you're at the wrong site for making false claims. Perhaps you should go back to your podium in Helsinki.
> You may not have noticed... We all notice lots of things but none of them are the false claims you bring up after the "You may not have noticed..." intro.
> Techdirt has turned entirely anti-police You forgot the words "misconduct and abuse".
>... pro-drug-addict[sic] Sorry but nothing in TD is pro-drug-addict[sic].
> anti-American America is a set of three really big interconnected parts of a continent. Against which of this huge part of the Earth do you thinkg TD is "anti"? lol.
Seriously. Trolls are getting less intelligent by the moment.
Cops feel unsafe because restaurant workers have been in prison, and prison's have rape.
Rape happens in prison because: a. Corrections officers look the other way b. Corrections officers don't properly discipline offenders c. Prisons populate cells and yards to create conflicts, some of which helps a flourishing gambling industry d. All this is done by cops e. All of the above
If you picked "e" then you can see that cops have nothing to fear in restaurants, other than the results of their own actions (or inactions.)
"We shot up those guys last week... I don't know why the minorities hate us..." -- Said no cop ever
Fake news hasn't existed until Donald Trump called it out.
Although back in the cold war days we called what the Soviets put out "propaganda". The word literally means "information" but we used it pejoratively to mean "false information to mislead the opposition."
Fortunately the US and its allies have not dropped leaflets on Germany, Poland, Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else, so we can't be accused of that. We didn't have radio stations all over the world broadcasting our version of things to offset the "propaganda" so we're innocent of it.
No, fake news is a new thing, created in 2015 because Trump is so important an entire industry rose up out of nowhere, funded by two rich brothers and a deep state and dark money and dorp de dorp to help stop conservatism. Note: That's not conservatism as in "being a conservative". That's conservatism as in "return to 1800s with slavery and women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen."
I for one welcome my Republican Conservative Anti-Fake-News overlords with open arms. Second amendment arms.
I didn't see any "points raised" that weren't just your opinions. There were two factual statements that are inarguable (ISPs listed by name; companies listed also perform ISP functions, etc.) and that's it.
So, no, I don't think a debate on opinions will yield much. Effectively you're ok with Karl calling out all ISPs but then naming a few and think that's ok, and I don't.
If only Congress could have multiple opinions and a civil discourse.
Re: Is this the 'Idiot in a hurry' test as applied to articles?
> I'm pretty sure... > most people understanding... > I rather doubt...
Thanks for sharing YOUR opinion about what you are sure about, what you doubt, and your characterization of the rest of the opinions of the reading populace.
Thank you for putting your name to your opinions :)
Re: Re: Broadband service providers are a subset of ISPs
DSL is broadband (http://www.sharkyforums.com/showthread.php?121722-DSL-BASEBAND-or-BROADBAND), but that's of no consequence to my point.
When TechDirt says "ISPs do this REALLY BAD BEHAVIOR" he paints all Internet Service Providers with this broad brush. What should be done is to only paint the "Bad Guys", those being part of the duopoly of Telco+CATV providers.
Similarly ILEC doesn't include the CATV provider, and "giant ISPs" include lots of companies that have a huge geo-footprint and yet aren't part of that Telco+CATV duopoly.
Precise language is generally important when reporting on news, exhorting people to action, and seeking to achieve education of the reader and enlightenment with an end to action.
To that end, so long as there is a distinction between the tens of thousands of ISPs and the less than 100 Telco+CATV Broadband Providers, it is worth making the distinction.
Ehud P.S. AT&T is a broadband provider by nature of having charters and custom agreements with municipalities giving them a monopoly on their service in that area. Sonic builds its own infrastructure to compete with the existing T+C brands.
"Make the poles and wires public property" is a naive way of saying NATIONALIZE PRIVATE PROPERTY. The companies that invested in putting those poles, trenches, vaults, pedestals, conduits, wires, fibers, etc. likely have shareholders who don't expect you, "Anonymous Coward", to come along and turn their INVESTMENT into your "public property."
The solution to a monopoly is not to steal everything from the private sector and give it to the "public" (lol, because "public" really means the government, not the people) but to foster the creation of competition.
o Allow other companies to use the poles, paying a fair and market price to do so o Allow other companies to ride the wires (this was done in the late 90s/early 00s and was called Unbundled Network Element) for a fair and market price. This is what propelled DSL companies that had no last-mile wiring to success (Covad, Northpoint, and others)
Competition is the key to making a successful consumer win in a free market. Nationalizing property is 180 degrees the wrong way.
There's a difference between the minority of those who provide Internet service -- the Broadband ISPs, and the rest of us.
ISPs are EVERY SINGLE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER, a majority of which favor net neutrality, work hard to establish industry standards, and have a positive reputation in the community. Sonic.net is one of the prime examples of such. My company in Arizona is another.
Broadband providers of Internet Service like Comcast, Cox, AT&T, Charter, are those who work hard to lobby Congress and the FCC to remove restrictions, don't understand unlimited, and lie artfully in every filing.
If you are going to chastise Comcast for not understanding the word "unlimited" please apply the same to yourself for not understanding "ISP" and applying your comments to "ISPs" when you mean Broadband (or cable) providers.
Ehud Gavron (And yes, I support net neutrality, settlment-free peering, unlimited means unmetered+unfiltered+unlimited etc. and by "support" I mean we do it and we don't charge for it!!!)
"I shouldn't have to do research" is another way to say "I shouldn't have to think or backup my position."
You are right! You should NOT have to do research. Also you should not have to REPLY on a forum, impugn the article, or in any way kvetch about it.
Go bitch somewhere where it's acceptable to say "Couldn't be bothered to read it or to read about it or read anyone else's comments but here are my opinions."
Hillary is the past. If you really want to complain about what people MIGHT do who DIDN'T get elected, let me suggest that doing so while your mommy wipes your butt is the only time that's appropriate.
E P.S. Feel free to whine about Obama also. Last I heard he hasn't been President in a while either.
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False analogy
In this particular case, the analogy is entirely false.
1. "Black people" is not a profession, has no sworn oath to e.g. uphold the law, and is not accountable as a protectorate of society.
2. There are in fact gang-bangers, and a subset of those are some of "Black people" but by only discussing that subset you ignore the non-"Black people" gangbangers and the lack of supposed duty to stop those people from gangbanging.
3. Innocent people (that would be everyone who has not been convicted by a court of committing a criminal offense) have societal duties, but are not REQUIRED nor are UNDER OATH nor are OBLIGATED to interfere in a criminal event, stop a criminal event, risk their lives to do either, or even report on said event.
So, thanks for the racist bullpuckey, but your analogy is false, non-analogous, ignores duties that law enforcement have voluntarily taken on themselves, and is spiteful to a particular minority.
Ehud
On the post: If You Value The Reputation Of Your Restaurant, Maybe You Should Stop Serving Cops
Serpico
Any cop that executed a dog should be rewarded. With the same fate.
Ehud
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Is there an editor around
...and that's the reason TechDirt does have editors, and they review articles prior to publication. I'm sure they make tough decisions, unlike your publishing your manifesto above, because I've seen the articles get written and rewritten and polished prior to final release. (That's what I get for me $50 contribution!)
Still, thank you for all those sentences starting with "I". Everyone wants to know what you're all about and it's easier when you just provide an epic tome full of it.
Next time you feel like lecturing to a bunch of people you don't know about how you think an online publication should mollycoddle you, and what your opinions are, go to WashPo and check out any article with 1000-10000 posts... and read those first. Then you'll appreciate that TechDirt is NOT WashPo or NYT or CNN or FN or anything like that.
Sometimes it's best to enjoy what you have instead of trying to make it into that other thing you no longer like.
E
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Re: Re: Re: "lack of an erection"
No, it's called a setup. Comedians do it all the time, but they're funny.
> Do you imagine...
Do you?
> Am I correct in thinking...
Let us know when you start thinking and we'll let you know when you start to be correct.
E
On the post: If You Value The Reputation Of Your Restaurant, Maybe You Should Stop Serving Cops
Daddy in the Diner
You and your "daddy" are kindly asked to leave... and he can take his "wisdom" with him.
So much for your hatred of Democrats. The only mental deformity is the one inside your head.
E
On the post: If You Value The Reputation Of Your Restaurant, Maybe You Should Stop Serving Cops
First word
Still, it doesn't really matter, does it -- someone posts first on every comment thread, and eventually someone posts last.
> ...allows people to influence the direction of debate...
Primacy vs recency. I guess you're the "Squirrel!" type. Some people read more than just one thing before forming opinions or opining themselves.
E
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Re: Cops are welcome in my restaurant NationWide
+1
E
On the post: If You Value The Reputation Of Your Restaurant, Maybe You Should Stop Serving Cops
Re: Re: Call for restaurant owners to weigh in
You have no idea what I believed, what I believe now, nor anything about me or any other visitor, reader, or sponsor of TechDirt.
> In short, you're at the wrong site...
No, Sir, you're at the wrong site for making false claims. Perhaps you should go back to your podium in Helsinki.
> You may not have noticed...
We all notice lots of things but none of them are the false claims you bring up after the "You may not have noticed..." intro.
> Techdirt has turned entirely anti-police
You forgot the words "misconduct and abuse".
>... pro-drug-addict[sic]
Sorry but nothing in TD is pro-drug-addict[sic].
> anti-American
America is a set of three really big interconnected parts of a continent. Against which of this huge part of the Earth do you thinkg TD is "anti"? lol.
Seriously. Trolls are getting less intelligent by the moment.
E
On the post: If You Value The Reputation Of Your Restaurant, Maybe You Should Stop Serving Cops
Prison rape
Rape happens in prison because:
a. Corrections officers look the other way
b. Corrections officers don't properly discipline offenders
c. Prisons populate cells and yards to create conflicts, some of which helps a flourishing gambling industry
d. All this is done by cops
e. All of the above
If you picked "e" then you can see that cops have nothing to fear in restaurants, other than the results of their own actions (or inactions.)
"We shot up those guys last week... I don't know why the minorities hate us..." -- Said no cop ever
E
On the post: If You Value The Reputation Of Your Restaurant, Maybe You Should Stop Serving Cops
Two types of cops...
Bad cops...
...and those who allow them to continue being bad cops.
Ehud
P.S. The FBI interviewed me one morning because, among other things, I'd posted this comment on TechDirt previously. Yeah. That happened.
On the post: Fake News Is A Meaningless Term, And Our Obsession Over It Continues To Harm Actual News
Fake news is a new thing
Although back in the cold war days we called what the Soviets put out "propaganda". The word literally means "information" but we used it pejoratively to mean "false information to mislead the opposition."
Fortunately the US and its allies have not dropped leaflets on Germany, Poland, Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else, so we can't be accused of that. We didn't have radio stations all over the world broadcasting our version of things to offset the "propaganda" so we're innocent of it.
No, fake news is a new thing, created in 2015 because Trump is so important an entire industry rose up out of nowhere, funded by two rich brothers and a deep state and dark money and dorp de dorp to help stop conservatism. Note: That's not conservatism as in "being a conservative". That's conservatism as in "return to 1800s with slavery and women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen."
I for one welcome my Republican Conservative Anti-Fake-News overlords with open arms. Second amendment arms.
Ehud
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Re: Like for like
So, no, I don't think a debate on opinions will yield much. Effectively you're ok with Karl calling out all ISPs but then naming a few and think that's ok, and I don't.
If only Congress could have multiple opinions and a civil discourse.
E
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Re: Is this the 'Idiot in a hurry' test as applied to articles?
> most people understanding...
> I rather doubt...
Thanks for sharing YOUR opinion about what you are sure about, what you doubt, and your characterization of the rest of the opinions of the reading populace.
Thank you for putting your name to your opinions :)
E
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Re: Re: Broadband service providers are a subset of ISPs
When TechDirt says "ISPs do this REALLY BAD BEHAVIOR" he paints all Internet Service Providers with this broad brush. What should be done is to only paint the "Bad Guys", those being part of the duopoly of Telco+CATV providers.
Similarly ILEC doesn't include the CATV provider, and "giant ISPs" include lots of companies that have a huge geo-footprint and yet aren't part of that Telco+CATV duopoly.
Precise language is generally important when reporting on news, exhorting people to action, and seeking to achieve education of the reader and enlightenment with an end to action.
To that end, so long as there is a distinction between the tens of thousands of ISPs and the less than 100 Telco+CATV Broadband Providers, it is worth making the distinction.
Ehud
P.S. AT&T is a broadband provider by nature of having charters and custom agreements with municipalities giving them a monopoly on their service in that area. Sonic builds its own infrastructure to compete with the existing T+C brands.
On the post: Comcast's Wireless Service Will Charge You More To Stream HD Video
Last mile infrastructure
The solution to a monopoly is not to steal everything from the private sector and give it to the "public" (lol, because "public" really means the government, not the people) but to foster the creation of competition.
o Allow other companies to use the poles, paying a fair and market price to do so
o Allow other companies to ride the wires (this was done in the late 90s/early 00s and was called Unbundled Network Element) for a fair and market price. This is what propelled DSL companies that had no last-mile wiring to success (Covad, Northpoint, and others)
Competition is the key to making a successful consumer win in a free market. Nationalizing property is 180 degrees the wrong way.
Ehud
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Broadband service providers are a subset of ISPs
ISPs are EVERY SINGLE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER, a majority of which favor net neutrality, work hard to establish industry standards, and have a positive reputation in the community. Sonic.net is one of the prime examples of such. My company in Arizona is another.
Broadband providers of Internet Service like Comcast, Cox, AT&T, Charter, are those who work hard to lobby Congress and the FCC to remove restrictions, don't understand unlimited, and lie artfully in every filing.
If you are going to chastise Comcast for not understanding the word "unlimited" please apply the same to yourself for not understanding "ISP" and applying your comments to "ISPs" when you mean Broadband (or cable) providers.
Ehud Gavron
(And yes, I support net neutrality, settlment-free peering, unlimited means unmetered+unfiltered+unlimited etc. and by "support" I mean we do it and we don't charge for it!!!)
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Intelligence of mugs
He also has a funny coffee cup :)
E
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Re: Re: Re:
You are right! You should NOT have to do research. Also you should not have to REPLY on a forum, impugn the article, or in any way kvetch about it.
Go bitch somewhere where it's acceptable to say "Couldn't be bothered to read it or to read about it or read anyone else's comments but here are my opinions."
E
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Typos
Feel free to delete this comment.
E
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Living in the past, much?
E
P.S. Feel free to whine about Obama also. Last I heard he hasn't been President in a while either.
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