note: the above is sarcasm incast your sarcasm detectors broken.
this isnt uncommon anywhere in this country, and i doubt it will even make it to court, after all, this is the incorporated states of america, the corporation will just pay the lawyers to make it go away.
guess they should have implemented data caps....that would fix everything....
according to Derek Kerton its smart to under engineer your network such that you cant provide the speeds you promise apron sale, its network engineering 101 or something......
I cant wait to see him defending Verizon in this topic, it should be a riot.
there are a good number of better PDF creators and editors on the market today, I use a few, a CHEAP(free) way is print to pdf, I personally normally use Nuance PDF Converter Pro, Acrobat couldnt make a properly formatted pdf out of a .doc a friend of mine created, he owns the top edition of acrobat, he asked for help, I had him send me his file with dropbox, then sent back a pdf, took all of 20seconds to convert the doc to a properly formatted PDF using Nuance PDF converter...
sorry point is, you can do this stuff on the cheap, I use to also have a tool that could take almost any format and convert it to various eBook formats, cant remember what it was called tho....
I would likely pick the option of offering a few formats like project Gutenberg do.
formats I like for ebooks
TXT(text format, least favored but most supported)
RTF(rich text format, preserves formatting but is also widely supported on devices)
HTML(HyperText Markup Language), this is what most of the internet runs on, its very widely supported by devices even old palm and windows CE pocket pc's)
EPUB (short for electronic publication; alternatively capitalized as ePub, ePUB, EPub, or epub, with "EPUB" preferred by the vendor)
the great thing about all of these options is its pretty easy and cheap to support them all, even PDF is easy and pretty cheap to support.
Honestly, if you want to self publish format shouldnt be a barrier at all....unless you yourself make it one.
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forgot the respond to the cost of ebooks vs the dead tree verity.
first publishers do not pay the distribution cost of ebooks, retailers do, they are also forced to pay extremely high fees to get the DRM software and management systems....
publishers make what amounts to free money off ebooks once the initial outlay for producing the printed versions made, theres no additional cost to the publisher at all, ITS ALL GRAVY....and they want higher profits not for the conveniance, but to keep their old pricing model in place.
DRM as with game publishers isnt about maximizing profits, its about ensuring people that dont pay for your product dont enjoy it....they do not think about it in profit terms if you actually listen to these kind of people.
I Know publicly they say its about profits, but in reality thats not how they act or even think within companies, I say this having worked for and with some of these types of companies, they really do think about it in terms of "dont pay me, dont enjoy my product" even if you CANT pay them for it(some games/movies/books dont come to some markets in a legally purchasable way)
DRM has no logical justification when you know the facts behind it.
DRM only exists to make the DRM makers richer and make the DRM users feel like they are combating a problem that really is a non-problem if you have a good product.
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poor analogy, first, overnight shipping actually has real cost, you have a physical product to package and ship, people have to move that product, fule is used to power the conveyance used to move that product.... I could go on and on.
And I REALLY hate to have to tell you this, but DRM has never worked, it never will work, it dosnt boost sales, it hampers them, it dosnt stop pirates from getting ahold of the product free, I have yet to see ANY drm scheme thats not been broken, and in most cases in short order(sometimes before the drm is even officially released to the public)
DRM only harms those who are honest and pay for products, It makes prudcts less valuable and also makes them cost more, DRM is not free, they have to pass the cost on to the consumer.
DRM treats the paying LEGAL consumer as a thief, this is not good, this dosnt help sales, and as more and more people learn about it, they buy less and less products that ASSume they are thieves.
I for one know many people who refuse to buy products that ASSume they are thieves, they figure they may as well become "thieves" if thats how they are going to be treated weather they pay or not.
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having spoken to some of my favorite authors on this topic, once your signed by a publisher many times the contract is such that you would have to buy your way out of it, sometimes its based on your next X number of titles, sometimes its year based, either way, the costs are pretty high.
self publishing is getting more and more attractive tho, you can hire a proof reader pretty cheaply these days, you can get books printed pretty cheaply as well, or use ebooks.
note: self publish cost of a full novle according to a family friend who self publishes her own religious novels is between 1.50 and 3.00 a book depending on binding, size and complexity(color illustrations and such cost more then a basic paperback.)
its not all flowers and ponies tho, sometimes you get into situations where the big publishers try and crush you if you wont sign with them....false dmca notices and such....real mess.....god i love this country.....the great Incorporated States of America....
the fact you reply so much makes your posts trollish, the fact you say the same things over and over just adds to that, sorry but any forum I have been part of even some of the crappier ones with mods who troll all the time would have given you a vacation for your troll post spam.
dont like it....to bad, your actions make you a troll, not your stupid opinions.
then dont sell me a 50mbit connection thats "unlimited"....problem solved
but wait, that wouldnt fit ISP's business plan of over selling their capacities by a few thousand percent or more by advertising speeds or capacity they have no intention of being able to provide....I get it, its a good thing they lie to people and rip them off....good to know where you stand...
and its bad engineering if you design a network to only be able to handle a small % of its probable projected load...I have build networks, and if I was stupid enough to setup a network that was gigabit but could only move files at cat3 speeds most of the time I would have been fired many times over but thats pretty much what many ISP's do, and to you thats a good thing.....*shakes head* I dont get your "logic" it seems that reality has an anti- Derek Kerton bias on this issue.
and I guess when FIOS went in around here they where really stupid, this whole region they put it in with massive over capacity so that in the future they could not only offer higher speed packages, they could deal with higher subscriber numbers(they projected worst case for 5 years, and then went above that) again really stupid from your point of view, they should have built the network to deal with 5% of the population in this area!!!
yes, I have been told how baddly we get screwed on mobile phone plans by every single brit i know, I have also looked it over, because of our "Greed is good" system companies are allowed to become monopolies and screw us over on phone and data plans(and tv and internet....and and and....)
It shocks me, for what a basic phone plan costs here per month, I could get a preimum plan with all the bells and whistles over there AND on top of that a "free" phone of any type i want even the best android phones on the market.....
here we are expected to bend over and spread cheek for the all mighty big business empire that owns this country.
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or people say "Screw this" return the ipad, get something like an android tablet or phone, and pirate the stuff since they cant stream it legally with the bs plans they are offered.
I cant tell you how many people I know who started getting stuff they can access on netflix over p2p or direct download sites because they found it was easier and cheaper to download the videos to their device and watch them off internal memory then it was to stream them.....yet they all kept their netflix for home use.....
and again pleas just click report on Derek Kerton posts and move along...
TimK: little note, he was braking verizons TOS by doing this, if you read it, your not allowed to visit any website or use any apps outside verizons own apps that stream video or audio, this is true for all their "Data plans", its in the fine print and they dont want you to notice it till you go over and they can terminate you AND make you pay up for the full cost of the contract you signed.
my advice, tell him to return the ipad and get his money back if hes still in the grace period, tell them hes not happy with it and leave it at that.
they are pocketing most of it, putting as little as possible into upgrading their networks, and continuing to over sell their capacity, at least this is true for ATT in cali, cant tell you how many complaints I hear about it....
from what one ex-att employee I have been friends with for a couple decades has said, att over sold their dsl network capacity by around 20-29x, they over sold uverse (fiber) capacity by 3x that, they sold 50mbit packages that couldnt even sustain 5mbit over any period of time, but they made sure to add a fast pipe to speed test sites(speedtest.net for one) to make it look like you where getting full speed.
other isp's do this as well, they sell you speeds they cant support most of the time, some cap you on top of that some just figure your never gonna hit a cap amount with the actual network speeds you will get so its not worth pissing in your cheerios again with a cap.
heres what I have personally seen, I have watched companies sell around 10x what they can provide at any one time, this was delt with by throttling everybody at peek times and on weekends, when people complained they where told some bs story OR told to read their contract if they signed up after a set date where the throttling was mentioned in the contract in VERY SMALL PRINT.(almost so small you need a microscope to read it)
but thats all good, because in this country doing whatever you can to make a buck at the expense of the consumer/general public is ok.....just ask congress.
I think from his view point this is "working as intended"
and this is my problem with how caps are done, I and most people I know would rather just have slower speeds and get the speeds we pay for, then have caps that could either cost us a mint when we exceed them or throttle us down to useless speeds....
Derek Kerton seems to think that its the customers problem that ISP's over sell their capacity....when it should be ILLEGAL to sell somebody "50mbit service" when you cant provide that 24/7, but here its perfectly legal and even legal for them to sell "unlimited" thats limited....Gotta love this country.....the land of greed and "free market saves all"
skip...naa I just report them, if enough of us do that, your posts disappear...
I think its quite dishonest to sell "unlimited" then cap it, and this is what most isp's do, and those who dont do not bother explaining to people that they could go over their limit by watching netflix/hulu/youtube to much or by downloading updates for WoW(example, i have games that at times download many real GB of data for an update(real as in 1024MB not 1000 "MB")
I have seen people go over with the above usage pattern, one older lady I know had me limit her net speed so she couldnt go over.
IF ISP's where honest, they would just limit peoples speed so that they couldnt download more then the capped amount per month, rather then selling plans that allow you to cap out in less then a week(common)
I get your logic, I feel its a crock of shit but I get it, you feel caps are a great tool to stop people from overloading an ISP's capacity....
Sorry but I have a real problem with that, ISP's many places underbuild their networks then sell "unlimited"(see capped/throttled) packages for "high speed" well beyond their network capacity.
I feel this should be ILLEGAL, it shouldnt be legal to sell a service you cant provide, but, thanks to people like yourself and our shill politicians its "free market" policy....where monopoly companies can keep a strangle hold on a market and keep selling these fraudulent packages.
years back when att@home owned our local cable Internet service they MASSIVELY over sold their capacity, so much so that at some peek times it was no better then dialup, yet it was "unlimited 15-20mbit" their support admitted they had over sold their capacity, but they where "working on it".....
comcast came in and took over, their first move was to replace the wins based authentication system with mac-id based and expand network capacity as quickly as they could, this took years, but, for the most part, they have managed to stay ahead of demand for years now(outside a few cases where large businesses overloaded a node with new high rate packages like multi 100mbit service plans at one location)
we have a "cap" of 250gb a month, BUT many of us regularly go past that and dont get letters or throttled, I called about the 1 letter I got, and it turned out, it was due to a software upgrade, they had already disabled that system as it was ment to be used in area's that where having capacity issues, and even at peek hours we dont have issues in my node.(tho he did say if we hit a tb in a month there would be another letter....lol)
but yeah, from my exp having worked at 2 ISP's and for quite a few companies over the years dealing with networking and ISP issues, the only isp's that pull dick moves like capping and heavy throttling tend to be those who did not invest in network capacity to provide the service they sold people in the first place, I have even had upper level techs I have delt with over such issues admit this to me, one even got a company I worked for a different package(dedicated t3's)at a steep discount because they couldnt get the multi sdsl package they sold us to work stable(kept dropping well below the rated speed of 7Mb/s u/d per line....)
I still would like to know where all that money ISP's were given to get every American on broadband back in the 90's went.....as well as the money they still get from the govt goes.....i mean where it really go's now where their creative accounting says it goes...
another note, a fellow above mentioned upgrading "old" equipment, from my exp working for isp's many times that "old" equipment gets reused as the network expands despite being counted as a loss on taxes, many times an area gets an upgrade and the equipment from that area is shifted to an area with older gear yet, or a new area that needs setup, they keep making money off the same gear for many years over....(i saw one setup get moved and reused 3 times in 2 years)
no, theres no excuse for this bs, if your going to limit somebody to XX MB a month, then just give them a package that they cant go over on or would have to try very hard to go over on....stop this BS selling 50mbit with a 25-50gb cap(have seen this a few times)
I would personally rather have slower speeds all the time that are steady and giving me what I paid for then risk hitting a cap or being sold a package that only at rare times when conditions are just right gives me the speeds I paid for.....
Darek Kerton: I dont know if your a shill in this or just an opinionated dbag on this subject, but either way, its gotten to the point where you just look like a troll, and as such, I have started reporting you, in hopes others will do the same and help hide your trollish comments.
Infact Fox News went to court to defend their right to lie to the public, and they won.....gotta love this country.(i mean flat out lie/make shit up....no facts needed at all)
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this isnt uncommon anywhere in this country, and i doubt it will even make it to court, after all, this is the incorporated states of america, the corporation will just pay the lawyers to make it go away.
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according to Derek Kerton its smart to under engineer your network such that you cant provide the speeds you promise apron sale, its network engineering 101 or something......
I cant wait to see him defending Verizon in this topic, it should be a riot.
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http://www.ebookweek.com/
found via Project Gutenbergs main page, alot of good info there :)
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sorry point is, you can do this stuff on the cheap, I use to also have a tool that could take almost any format and convert it to various eBook formats, cant remember what it was called tho....
I would likely pick the option of offering a few formats like project Gutenberg do.
formats I like for ebooks
TXT(text format, least favored but most supported)
RTF(rich text format, preserves formatting but is also widely supported on devices)
HTML(HyperText Markup Language), this is what most of the internet runs on, its very widely supported by devices even old palm and windows CE pocket pc's)
EPUB (short for electronic publication; alternatively capitalized as ePub, ePUB, EPub, or epub, with "EPUB" preferred by the vendor)
the great thing about all of these options is its pretty easy and cheap to support them all, even PDF is easy and pretty cheap to support.
Honestly, if you want to self publish format shouldnt be a barrier at all....unless you yourself make it one.
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first publishers do not pay the distribution cost of ebooks, retailers do, they are also forced to pay extremely high fees to get the DRM software and management systems....
publishers make what amounts to free money off ebooks once the initial outlay for producing the printed versions made, theres no additional cost to the publisher at all, ITS ALL GRAVY....and they want higher profits not for the conveniance, but to keep their old pricing model in place.
DRM as with game publishers isnt about maximizing profits, its about ensuring people that dont pay for your product dont enjoy it....they do not think about it in profit terms if you actually listen to these kind of people.
I Know publicly they say its about profits, but in reality thats not how they act or even think within companies, I say this having worked for and with some of these types of companies, they really do think about it in terms of "dont pay me, dont enjoy my product" even if you CANT pay them for it(some games/movies/books dont come to some markets in a legally purchasable way)
DRM has no logical justification when you know the facts behind it.
DRM only exists to make the DRM makers richer and make the DRM users feel like they are combating a problem that really is a non-problem if you have a good product.
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And I REALLY hate to have to tell you this, but DRM has never worked, it never will work, it dosnt boost sales, it hampers them, it dosnt stop pirates from getting ahold of the product free, I have yet to see ANY drm scheme thats not been broken, and in most cases in short order(sometimes before the drm is even officially released to the public)
DRM only harms those who are honest and pay for products, It makes prudcts less valuable and also makes them cost more, DRM is not free, they have to pass the cost on to the consumer.
DRM treats the paying LEGAL consumer as a thief, this is not good, this dosnt help sales, and as more and more people learn about it, they buy less and less products that ASSume they are thieves.
I for one know many people who refuse to buy products that ASSume they are thieves, they figure they may as well become "thieves" if thats how they are going to be treated weather they pay or not.
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self publishing is getting more and more attractive tho, you can hire a proof reader pretty cheaply these days, you can get books printed pretty cheaply as well, or use ebooks.
note: self publish cost of a full novle according to a family friend who self publishes her own religious novels is between 1.50 and 3.00 a book depending on binding, size and complexity(color illustrations and such cost more then a basic paperback.)
its not all flowers and ponies tho, sometimes you get into situations where the big publishers try and crush you if you wont sign with them....false dmca notices and such....real mess.....god i love this country.....the great Incorporated States of America....
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dont like it....to bad, your actions make you a troll, not your stupid opinions.
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is it just me or
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but wait, that wouldnt fit ISP's business plan of over selling their capacities by a few thousand percent or more by advertising speeds or capacity they have no intention of being able to provide....I get it, its a good thing they lie to people and rip them off....good to know where you stand...
and its bad engineering if you design a network to only be able to handle a small % of its probable projected load...I have build networks, and if I was stupid enough to setup a network that was gigabit but could only move files at cat3 speeds most of the time I would have been fired many times over but thats pretty much what many ISP's do, and to you thats a good thing.....*shakes head* I dont get your "logic" it seems that reality has an anti- Derek Kerton bias on this issue.
and I guess when FIOS went in around here they where really stupid, this whole region they put it in with massive over capacity so that in the future they could not only offer higher speed packages, they could deal with higher subscriber numbers(they projected worst case for 5 years, and then went above that) again really stupid from your point of view, they should have built the network to deal with 5% of the population in this area!!!
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but have your own twisted view of reality, the rest of us seem to think reality has an anti Derek Kerton bias.
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It shocks me, for what a basic phone plan costs here per month, I could get a preimum plan with all the bells and whistles over there AND on top of that a "free" phone of any type i want even the best android phones on the market.....
here we are expected to bend over and spread cheek for the all mighty big business empire that owns this country.
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I cant tell you how many people I know who started getting stuff they can access on netflix over p2p or direct download sites because they found it was easier and cheaper to download the videos to their device and watch them off internal memory then it was to stream them.....yet they all kept their netflix for home use.....
and again pleas just click report on Derek Kerton posts and move along...
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my advice, tell him to return the ipad and get his money back if hes still in the grace period, tell them hes not happy with it and leave it at that.
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from what one ex-att employee I have been friends with for a couple decades has said, att over sold their dsl network capacity by around 20-29x, they over sold uverse (fiber) capacity by 3x that, they sold 50mbit packages that couldnt even sustain 5mbit over any period of time, but they made sure to add a fast pipe to speed test sites(speedtest.net for one) to make it look like you where getting full speed.
other isp's do this as well, they sell you speeds they cant support most of the time, some cap you on top of that some just figure your never gonna hit a cap amount with the actual network speeds you will get so its not worth pissing in your cheerios again with a cap.
heres what I have personally seen, I have watched companies sell around 10x what they can provide at any one time, this was delt with by throttling everybody at peek times and on weekends, when people complained they where told some bs story OR told to read their contract if they signed up after a set date where the throttling was mentioned in the contract in VERY SMALL PRINT.(almost so small you need a microscope to read it)
but thats all good, because in this country doing whatever you can to make a buck at the expense of the consumer/general public is ok.....just ask congress.
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and this is my problem with how caps are done, I and most people I know would rather just have slower speeds and get the speeds we pay for, then have caps that could either cost us a mint when we exceed them or throttle us down to useless speeds....
Derek Kerton seems to think that its the customers problem that ISP's over sell their capacity....when it should be ILLEGAL to sell somebody "50mbit service" when you cant provide that 24/7, but here its perfectly legal and even legal for them to sell "unlimited" thats limited....Gotta love this country.....the land of greed and "free market saves all"
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I think its quite dishonest to sell "unlimited" then cap it, and this is what most isp's do, and those who dont do not bother explaining to people that they could go over their limit by watching netflix/hulu/youtube to much or by downloading updates for WoW(example, i have games that at times download many real GB of data for an update(real as in 1024MB not 1000 "MB")
I have seen people go over with the above usage pattern, one older lady I know had me limit her net speed so she couldnt go over.
IF ISP's where honest, they would just limit peoples speed so that they couldnt download more then the capped amount per month, rather then selling plans that allow you to cap out in less then a week(common)
I get your logic, I feel its a crock of shit but I get it, you feel caps are a great tool to stop people from overloading an ISP's capacity....
Sorry but I have a real problem with that, ISP's many places underbuild their networks then sell "unlimited"(see capped/throttled) packages for "high speed" well beyond their network capacity.
I feel this should be ILLEGAL, it shouldnt be legal to sell a service you cant provide, but, thanks to people like yourself and our shill politicians its "free market" policy....where monopoly companies can keep a strangle hold on a market and keep selling these fraudulent packages.
years back when att@home owned our local cable Internet service they MASSIVELY over sold their capacity, so much so that at some peek times it was no better then dialup, yet it was "unlimited 15-20mbit" their support admitted they had over sold their capacity, but they where "working on it".....
comcast came in and took over, their first move was to replace the wins based authentication system with mac-id based and expand network capacity as quickly as they could, this took years, but, for the most part, they have managed to stay ahead of demand for years now(outside a few cases where large businesses overloaded a node with new high rate packages like multi 100mbit service plans at one location)
we have a "cap" of 250gb a month, BUT many of us regularly go past that and dont get letters or throttled, I called about the 1 letter I got, and it turned out, it was due to a software upgrade, they had already disabled that system as it was ment to be used in area's that where having capacity issues, and even at peek hours we dont have issues in my node.(tho he did say if we hit a tb in a month there would be another letter....lol)
but yeah, from my exp having worked at 2 ISP's and for quite a few companies over the years dealing with networking and ISP issues, the only isp's that pull dick moves like capping and heavy throttling tend to be those who did not invest in network capacity to provide the service they sold people in the first place, I have even had upper level techs I have delt with over such issues admit this to me, one even got a company I worked for a different package(dedicated t3's)at a steep discount because they couldnt get the multi sdsl package they sold us to work stable(kept dropping well below the rated speed of 7Mb/s u/d per line....)
I still would like to know where all that money ISP's were given to get every American on broadband back in the 90's went.....as well as the money they still get from the govt goes.....i mean where it really go's now where their creative accounting says it goes...
another note, a fellow above mentioned upgrading "old" equipment, from my exp working for isp's many times that "old" equipment gets reused as the network expands despite being counted as a loss on taxes, many times an area gets an upgrade and the equipment from that area is shifted to an area with older gear yet, or a new area that needs setup, they keep making money off the same gear for many years over....(i saw one setup get moved and reused 3 times in 2 years)
no, theres no excuse for this bs, if your going to limit somebody to XX MB a month, then just give them a package that they cant go over on or would have to try very hard to go over on....stop this BS selling 50mbit with a 25-50gb cap(have seen this a few times)
I would personally rather have slower speeds all the time that are steady and giving me what I paid for then risk hitting a cap or being sold a package that only at rare times when conditions are just right gives me the speeds I paid for.....
Darek Kerton: I dont know if your a shill in this or just an opinionated dbag on this subject, but either way, its gotten to the point where you just look like a troll, and as such, I have started reporting you, in hopes others will do the same and help hide your trollish comments.
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