Feel free to come up with genuine points about why SOPA and PIPA need to exist.
And no, 'piracy' is not one of those points, as you and I both know that neither bill really address that.
1) Not everyone wants a Mercedes (I don't for one)
2) Everyone could buy a Mercedes in their country, because in every country there are dealerships that sell Mercedes cars. So the only limitation is money, which leads me to the next point.
3) You are comparing apples with concrete walls.
A free (ad-supported) video stream is something COMPLETELY different from a $$$$$$$ car.
Thank you for playing, you don't even qualify for a consolation price, now beat it.
Let me reiterate my point:
People can discuss videos from for instance the Daily Show, and other people want to watch it, by limiting their potential audience, Viacom is missing potential ad-revenue. And they are pushing people towards less-than-less-than legitimate sources, where people can watch it without ads and without other interruptions.
Without piracy, there would be no audience for torrents. There would be no magical "infinite distribution", and the game would be over.
If I were to have a website, and put an mp3 file on it freely available for download, I have just created that magical infinite distribution.
Until I remove that mp3 from the website, people all over the globe can download it as much as they like from my website. There is no shelving fee, there is no running out of stock. All it takes is some bandwidth, and if I'm smart I use some sort of distributed service like p2p-software or bittorrent software, but it's not necessary to have INFINITE DISTRIBUTION.
You and your fellow copyright-maximalist brethren need a lesson or two on how the internet works, and how copying files on the internet works.
Well, I'm not in the US, and I can watch it from the embeds. It just depends on whether there is a Comedy Central on your tv-set.
Still the limitation is pretty silly, and will only encourage piracy, and Viacom is leaving itself out of the conversation online and is losing potential ad-revenue.
This sentence "is like blaming the porn store for porn" painted a funny picture for me.
"I demand that you tell me, how I got inside this filthy place, with its filthy books and videos. Oh yes, I've read and seen them all, and they're all incredibly filthy!
Not to mention those dildos over there, I've tried them too, and they are dirty! You dirty scoundrel!"
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a motion to unlock your device! Claimed!
Yes, you're right. Still I wouldn't call that "IP economy" unless... ooooh so that's why there are a lot of patent trolls. The US needs the money from them to prop up their failing economy. That explains it. Good luck East Texas, you're going to need a bigger (publicly funded) courthouse.
Oh and why must you lie and claim that SOPA will not be (ab)used in this way?
Do you also believe that the DMCA was never abused?
And what about sites that come next? Do you think that innovation stops with the sites I mentioned? Right now, in someone's garage, someone is working on the next Google, but will it have an existence? Because this law will lay down a minefield for web development. Walking on eggshells is not helpful when you want to innovate.
Techdirt and most commenters on here have ALWAYS claimed to be against piracy, but you refuse to believe that, because you don't listen. You don't wanna listen, because that would ask you to question your convictions. And asking ones convictions is very painful and confronting.
You are in the wrong, with every post you make, you make it more obvious. Especially because you resort to using ad hominem attacks against people who have tried to help your side to see what the rest of the world is already seeing.
We are trying to remove your blinders. The internet is NOT out to get you.
You want to talk about facts? Ok, let's talk about facts.
SOPA isn't a copyright infringement bill. It's a bill designed to give the former gatekeepers their own role back. They get to decide what a rogue site is, without a lot of judicial oversight.
It's not about abolishing copyright, never has been, it's only a minor victory if the bill actually achieves that. But the overall language of the bill is not about copyright infringement.
The middlemen of the RIAA-backed labels and the MPAA-backed movie studios want to keep their jobs (nothing wrong with wanting to keep your jobs), at the expense of the free internet (which is wrong). Instead of fighting the free internet (free as in speech), they should embrace it and see it as the vehicle for promotion that it is.
The internet is not here for unbridled 'piracy' (which is the myth that the RIAA and the MPAA like to promote), it's a communication platform first and foremost. But the bill threatens this communication platform.
Thousands of people speak against that threat, and all you can do is lie and spin the message.
SOPA has the potential of doing a lot of irreparable damage to the internet as we know it today. Because ANY site that allows user generated content could be taken down under this.
That means youtube, blogger, reddit, digg, vimeo, justin.tv, ustream, liveleak, wikipedia, wikihow, etc, are all under attack.
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And no, 'piracy' is not one of those points, as you and I both know that neither bill really address that.
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2) Everyone could buy a Mercedes in their country, because in every country there are dealerships that sell Mercedes cars. So the only limitation is money, which leads me to the next point.
3) You are comparing apples with concrete walls.
A free (ad-supported) video stream is something COMPLETELY different from a $$$$$$$ car.
Thank you for playing, you don't even qualify for a consolation price, now beat it.
Let me reiterate my point:
People can discuss videos from for instance the Daily Show, and other people want to watch it, by limiting their potential audience, Viacom is missing potential ad-revenue. And they are pushing people towards less-than-less-than legitimate sources, where people can watch it without ads and without other interruptions.
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If I were to have a website, and put an mp3 file on it freely available for download, I have just created that magical infinite distribution.
Until I remove that mp3 from the website, people all over the globe can download it as much as they like from my website. There is no shelving fee, there is no running out of stock. All it takes is some bandwidth, and if I'm smart I use some sort of distributed service like p2p-software or bittorrent software, but it's not necessary to have INFINITE DISTRIBUTION.
You and your fellow copyright-maximalist brethren need a lesson or two on how the internet works, and how copying files on the internet works.
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Still the limitation is pretty silly, and will only encourage piracy, and Viacom is leaving itself out of the conversation online and is losing potential ad-revenue.
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blaming the porn store for porn
"I demand that you tell me, how I got inside this filthy place, with its filthy books and videos. Oh yes, I've read and seen them all, and they're all incredibly filthy!
Not to mention those dildos over there, I've tried them too, and they are dirty! You dirty scoundrel!"
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You should visit a prison camp or two, before EVER making such jokes again. Might I suggest Auschwitz in Poland and Westerbork in The Netherlands?
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Yes, you're right. Still I wouldn't call that "IP economy" unless... ooooh so that's why there are a lot of patent trolls. The US needs the money from them to prop up their failing economy. That explains it. Good luck East Texas, you're going to need a bigger (publicly funded) courthouse.
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Come back when you have valid points to discuss, instead of talking points.
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Just look up the definitions of copyright infringement, theft and plagiarism. I'm sure you'll find it highly enlightening.
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Oh because the word "torrent" is in the site's name.
Don't get in a torrent of rain then... lest you be painted a pirate too.
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Dec 13th, 2011 @ 8:06am
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Do you also believe that the DMCA was never abused?
And what about sites that come next? Do you think that innovation stops with the sites I mentioned? Right now, in someone's garage, someone is working on the next Google, but will it have an existence? Because this law will lay down a minefield for web development. Walking on eggshells is not helpful when you want to innovate.
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Am I lying? Can you prove to me that I'm lying?
BTW, to respond to your attack, no I do not rip off musicians. I have supported many acts.
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You are in the wrong, with every post you make, you make it more obvious. Especially because you resort to using ad hominem attacks against people who have tried to help your side to see what the rest of the world is already seeing.
We are trying to remove your blinders. The internet is NOT out to get you.
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You want to talk about facts? Ok, let's talk about facts.
SOPA isn't a copyright infringement bill. It's a bill designed to give the former gatekeepers their own role back. They get to decide what a rogue site is, without a lot of judicial oversight.
It's not about abolishing copyright, never has been, it's only a minor victory if the bill actually achieves that. But the overall language of the bill is not about copyright infringement.
The middlemen of the RIAA-backed labels and the MPAA-backed movie studios want to keep their jobs (nothing wrong with wanting to keep your jobs), at the expense of the free internet (which is wrong). Instead of fighting the free internet (free as in speech), they should embrace it and see it as the vehicle for promotion that it is.
The internet is not here for unbridled 'piracy' (which is the myth that the RIAA and the MPAA like to promote), it's a communication platform first and foremost. But the bill threatens this communication platform.
Thousands of people speak against that threat, and all you can do is lie and spin the message.
BTW, Mike has already written about the length of copyright, and how studies upon studies have shown that a 15 years maximum is more than enough for copyrighted material. The current copyright law as it stands now is known to the rest of the world as the Mickey Mouse law for a reason. It's prime purpose is to lock up Disney's (et al) content.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090811/0123105835.shtml
http://www.techdirt.com/articl es/20070427/022155.shtml
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061126/234750.shtml
http://www.techdir t.com/articles/20091221/1756577455.shtml
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SOPA has the potential of doing a lot of irreparable damage to the internet as we know it today. Because ANY site that allows user generated content could be taken down under this.
That means youtube, blogger, reddit, digg, vimeo, justin.tv, ustream, liveleak, wikipedia, wikihow, etc, are all under attack.
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